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Hrolf The Ganger 25 Jul 16 7.53pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Its more or less true. Since 9/11, the number of Britons killed by Islamic terrorism, equates roughly to the average number of people killed in Road Traffic incidents in three and a half days (specifically in 2007). To put WWI in a context, it has nothing on two years of Spanish Influenza, between 1920-22. An interesting side note, is despite the threat of terrorism, homicide rates in the UK are dropping quite dramatically.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Jul 16 9.20am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Well yes, it probably was, with very draconian immigration measures
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jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Jul 16 9.27am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I would ask again. How many people will have to die before they admit that it was an error of judgment. If I had to put a figure on it, a number that is significant in representation of the causes of death to put terrorism as a genuine threat to human lives in the UK. I don't think migration is more than a correlational effect in terrorism, particually given its generally people who were born here to parents, or with grandparents who migrated. I'd still say that the decision to invade Iraq in 2003 as far as the UK goes was the single most significant fact in establishing Islamic Terror threat to the UK and establishing IS, for which no one has been held accountable. During the 90s, we definitely made a mistake in trying to back and exploit Islamist groups who were agitating in the middle east - and then in offering asylum and refuge to certain people who were 'oppressed in their home nations such as Jordan, Qatar, Saudi etc', because they suited the UK's geo-political ambitions of the time. - These people would go on to become the 'hate preachers and recruiters' of the 2000's.
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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Jul 16 10.48am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
If I had to put a figure on it, a number that is significant in representation of the causes of death to put terrorism as a genuine threat to human lives in the UK. I don't think migration is more than a correlational effect in terrorism, particually given its generally people who were born here to parents, or with grandparents who migrated. I'd still say that the decision to invade Iraq in 2003 as far as the UK goes was the single most significant fact in establishing Islamic Terror threat to the UK and establishing IS, for which no one has been held accountable. During the 90s, we definitely made a mistake in trying to back and exploit Islamist groups who were agitating in the middle east - and then in offering asylum and refuge to certain people who were 'oppressed in their home nations such as Jordan, Qatar, Saudi etc', because they suited the UK's geo-political ambitions of the time. - These people would go on to become the 'hate preachers and recruiters' of the 2000's. You didn't put an actual figure on it surprise, surprise. Your logic on this seems to revolve around the present and the past. Yes, we f***ed up in Iraq etc and yes, some of those Muslim radicals were born in Britain or Europe and that is a result of our first mistake to let their parents here in the first place. What we have to do and we failed to do before was get away from this short termism, short sighted approach and think about the future. How will allowing thousand upon thousand Muslims to come to Europe make things better? It will almost certainly spell disaster and plunge us into a near perpetual battle of ideologies where the only result will be more people being killed.
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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Jul 16 10.50am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Well yes, it probably was, with very draconian immigration measures You would have let them all die then.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Jul 16 11.12am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Your logic on this seems to revolve around the present and the past. Yes, we f***ed up in Iraq etc and yes, some of those Muslim radicals were born in Britain or Europe and that is a result of our first mistake to let their parents here in the first place. What we have to do and we failed to do before was get away from this short termism, short sighted approach and think about the future. How will allowing thousand upon thousand Muslims to come to Europe make things better? It will almost certainly spell disaster and plunge us into a near perpetual battle of ideologies where the only result will be more people being killed. I didn't really fancy wading through death statistics in a year to determine a reasonable figure. I think we need to be less political and more pragmatic in who we offer permanent asylum to, the old adage of 'Enemy of my Enemy' brought us a lot of Islamists in the 90s, who became a problem. I'm inclined towards being selective in terms of asylum towards civilians rather than militants, and especially militant leaders - and especially trying to restrict Islamists and fundamentalists. They'll have political objectives that are divisive to the UK. I also think there is a nasty tendency with Asylum to then just dump people into British society, in poorer areas, and leave them to 'get on with it'. Personally I think that we have to take a more hands on approach towards integrating individuals into British Society - Similar to the post-WW2 program where refugees were effectively utilised to the benefit of the nation, and in return were given a small wage, training in languages and job skills and after a period of time of adjustment, were granted citizenship and allowed to move into society. In the post WWII environment, this worked well. People were effectively 'forced into key skill areas' where there was shortage, and in return were fed, accommodated, their children educated and they themselves given necessary skills to function in UK society - and it worked well. The current situation just puts greater strain onto the poorest areas of the UK, and really only ends up benefiting employers (cheap labour force) and low end landlords - and I also think its deliberate - It creates division among people, including the migrants, who probably have more issues in common, than opposition (i.e. blaming each other, rather than seeing the actions of the state and corporate entities that benefit from these decisions as a cause). Ideally, I would suggest that we also could use refugees as a means of mobilisation of people from poorer areas with low employment into better areas of higher employment. I'm inclined to agree with your cynicism, I think the threat is escalated and that there is a deliberate policy of using issues around fear of Islam to get involved in foreign domestic policy that is questionable in terms of UK security. Libya and Iraq are two good examples of that, but so is Syria, the UK were keen to get involved with the Rebels long before IS were on the scene, and I think that had a lot to do with Oil Resources.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Jul 16 11.15am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You would have let them all die then. When faced with a disease, with no cure, that is highly contagious like flu, quarantine is the only viable option. Firstly it lets you identify people who may have usable anti-bodies from which a vaccination may be created, and it allows you to control infection rates. That doesn't mean not providing them with food, water, medicine and treatment where possible. Just that its vital to bear in mind that nature is a cruel and uncaring mistress.
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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Jul 16 11.21am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
When faced with a disease, with no cure, that is highly contagious like flu, quarantine is the only viable option. Firstly it lets you identify people who may have usable anti-bodies from which a vaccination may be created, and it allows you to control infection rates. That doesn't mean not providing them with food, water, medicine and treatment where possible. Just that its vital to bear in mind that nature is a cruel and uncaring mistress. You are Mr Spock. Do I get a prize?
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 26 Jul 16 12.32pm | |
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Southampton_Eagle At the after party 26 Jul 16 12.37pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I have blatantly stolen these questions and believe they could be useful as a tick box test for those wishing to gain entry to the EU. 1.Do you believe that death is the right and proper punishment for apostasy (someone leaving your faith)? Edited by ASCPFC (25 Jul 2016 4.56pm) Surely you'd just answer what you think the country wants to hear.
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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Jul 16 12.46pm | |
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Originally posted by Southampton_Eagle
Surely you'd just answer what you think the country wants to hear. No to all but I love the Queen and Sam Alladyce.
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Hoof Hearted 26 Jul 16 12.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
How many people were killed in Costa Del Crime over the past week Kermit? I guess that’s why you call yourself Kermit – cos you’re a deluded muppet
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