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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 26 Mar 22 9.24am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend


the most shocking example i can recall was the World Cup Final. Holland vs Spain. Ref Howard Webb was clearly compromised as the Dutch played a karate football for 120 minutes.

It has often been observed that a red card 'ruined the game'. And hence the reluctance of Ref's to use the red card. This can often mar an otherwise good match.

You sometimes get a compensatory red card on the other team, just to even up the play somewhat.

Regarding fouls in the box & penalties, do we see the rules regarding a red card being enforced ? or avoided ?

Other sports have a sin-bin , similar to a Yellow but leading to a 5 or 10 minute absence from the Pitch. And maybe they benefit from that ? All the players know the Ref will enforce the rules with alacrity.

Any opinions or observations ?

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 26 Mar 22 9.29am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio


the most shocking example i can recall was the World Cup Final. Holland vs Spain. Ref Howard Webb was clearly compromised as the Dutch played a karate football for 120 minutes.

It has often been observed that a red card 'ruined the game'. And hence the reluctance of Ref's to use the red card. This can often mar an otherwise good match.

You sometimes get a compensatory red card on the other team, just to even up the play somewhat.

Regarding fouls in the box & penalties, do we see the rules regarding a red card being enforced ? or avoided ?

Other sports have a sin-bin , similar to a Yellow but leading to a 5 or 10 minute absence from the Pitch. And maybe they benefit from that ? All the players know the Ref will enforce the rules with alacrity.

Any opinions or observations ?

A sin bin would be a good idea. The problem being when it should be used. How serious an offence to choose between a second yellow or sin bin or red card.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 26 Mar 22 9.50am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

A sin bin would be a good idea. The problem being when it should be used. How serious an offence to choose between a second yellow or sin bin or red card.

They should use the sin bin for technical offences - kicking the ball away, dissent, etc, and keep the cards for foul play.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 26 Mar 22 11.19am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

They should use the sin bin for technical offences - kicking the ball away, dissent, etc, and keep the cards for foul play.

Yes and if we had timewasting as well vincente might have to get his own chair

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 26 Mar 22 11.27am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Yes and if we had timewasting as well vincente might have to get his own chair

Not sure how it would work with goalkeepers - playing without one for 10 minutes would be a stretch. Sticking an outfield player in goal used to be entertaining but the clubs would doubtless claim the stakes are too high now. Maybe the sanctions on goalies would have to be carried over to another game.
Or the ref could just give them a good boot up the arse.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Mar 22 11.41am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

A sin bin would be a good idea. The problem being when it should be used. How serious an offence to choose between a second yellow or sin bin or red card.

'Sin bins' have been implemented in grassroots football up to Step 5 of the National League System. Sin bins of 10 minutes are issued at the discretion of referees as punishment for dissent and I have seen them in operation watching Non-League games.

 

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View eagleman13's Profile eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 26 Mar 22 11.53am Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Not sure how it would work with goalkeepers - playing without one for 10 minutes would be a stretch. Sticking an outfield player in goal used to be entertaining but the clubs would doubtless claim the stakes are too high now. Maybe the sanctions on goalies would have to be carried over to another game.
Or the ref could just give them a good boot up the arse.

seeing as Willo has touched on it, if you scroll down it answers the Q? of 'Keepers . . . [Link]

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 26 Mar 22 11.59am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by eagleman13

seeing as Willo has touched on it, if you scroll down it answers the Q? of 'Keepers . . . [Link]

That clears that up but I'd still favour the boot up the arse option.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Mar 22 12.09pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

That clears that up but I'd still favour the boot up the arse option.

I have never seen a goalkeeper sent to the 'Sin bin' but the same rule applies to them.
I have seen a 'Sin Bin' spread over 2 halves with a player 'Sin Binned' just before the half-time break.

 

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 26 Mar 22 4.42pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

I would support a clearly thought out way of implementing a sin bin punishment. It seems to work well in rugby and makes the penalised team regroup to adapt their playing style.

I've not given it a great deal of thought, but maybe sending a player off the pitch for 15 minutes after a second yellow rather than a sending off would work, then show a red if the player is penalised a third time.

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 27 Mar 22 12.54pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Look at the outrageous cynicism & fouling of teams like Atletico Madrid.

I reckon its cos they have latched on to the inability of referees to manage a game with subtlety.

Diego Simeone has, rightly, calculated that a few red cards per season are a modest price to pay. A modest price for bullying other teams every week.

 


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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 28 Mar 22 10.33am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

I really like the idea of it.

Personally I'd prefer if it was for more things than just dissent.

I'm sure it would cut down on some of the tactical fowling, (where players are happy to take a yellow to stop a counter) if they knew they'd be down to 10.

And diving com to think of it.

 

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