Lots of good points in here.

For me what's worrying is not the stats, but the way the team is playing and as others have mentioned, the apparent lack of passion and a leader on the pitch. That banner at the start of the game about remembering the passion that got us here (or similar!) was bang on as I for one am not seeing it with the current squad.

Brighton are in form right now, but ffs, you wouldn't of know it was a derby match on Saturday by watching it.

Hopefully these two new midfielders will bring back the stability in midfield that we're been sorely lacking this season and allow players like Olise and Eze to do what they're meant to do (as it's definitely not tracking back!) and perhaps we'll be able to see Doucoure in a more stable midfield to evaluate if he is actually any good (not convinced at the moment).

We have to sign a decent centre forward in the summer though. Last one I can think of that was reliable and actually scored any goals was Murray! Mateta and Edouard are just not good enough for the prem, good to have on the subs bench if we needed fresh legs in the last 15 mins, but that's about it.

The trouble with computers, of course, is that they're very sophisticated idiots

Every Saturday, or whenever, I used to get excited, despite wherever we were in the table or results wise, that we would either steal a win or a point from a team above us, and was optimistic that we could get a win from a team below us. This season, I go into each game just hoping we don't get totally annihilated! Having said that, despite what seems to be a misfiring set of 11 on the pitch, we have not let many games get away from us (other than Spurs) and we have found some goals and perhaps ridden our luck with VAR. Nevertheless, we cannot rely on serendipity for ever and either we fix our midfield engine quickly with Macca and the new boys, or its going to be a very painful run in!
Since Ayew, Mateta and Edouard are incapable of finding the net in a reliable fashion, it will be down to Wilf again to dig us out of the poop. Same old, same old! ..... but we are Palace and that never changes and the optimism that we will make it still prevails. Can't blame PV for the injuries and lack of a decent CF, but I would like to see some spark on the pitch to go forward rather than sideways or backwards because we lost the art of countering on the break! In other words, it is up to PV to get the identity of the team figured out, because right now, all the other teams have us and him figured out.

A fabulous assessment. The best thing about Saturday was their goal wrongly ruled out and saveloy and chips on the way to the ground. I’ve watched them on and off for 45 years and had ST for 7. This lays at PV alone who I think actually thinks we are Man City. With our players we should be knackered and hoarse at the end of games but I’m worn out with boredom. Really not bothered any more if we win lose or draw. It’s the manner of getting one of those which matters.

if we win 2 out of next 3 games the bed wetting will stop for a while

Your 'waterworks' are too far gone, eh? Sorry, mate.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Motivation to give more ;

I from time to time watch our FA Cup games ,or brightly & Wrighty / Coppell

This takes me back & influences the notion that if you try & have self belief you can press on & have achievements

I wonder for those players that are not from around Sarf London or know the club history they should get motivated by looking back.

Yes I get that many players play for money, cars, lifestyle etc but to have grounding
there needs to be belief & responsibility to others ( in this case crowd).

Pat needs help with this mob -

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