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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 21 Feb 23 11.43am
Originally posted by ASCPFC It could be true - but I think the point of the super league is not the average fan at all. It's like they want a whole new shiny Chinese, African, American and Arab fan - paying for TV rights in a replica shirt. Us old, beardy, balding, beery fans are no longer required. My own take is - leave them to it. I'd rather a league without all the megabucks. It would be more competitive and, frankly, I'd like to see players earning less and lower transfer fees. Our youngsters would definitely get a chance too. Sorry ASCPFC but that was definitely (intended as) the general sentiment behind what I was saying. I'd soon rather watch 'our lot' playing against 'them lot', including all their fans, in the nation's league system, dirty burgers, p!ssing down with rain et al than the Emirates Reds playing the Yank Blues with Popcorn and hog roast seat delivery service in a state of the art arena. I'm not saying that's correct by any stretch just my preference and I'd hold no grudge against those who choose or prefer the other. 'Let them 'av their Super League'. More 'Good riddance' than 'Oh no' from me. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 21 Feb 23 11.43am

Originally posted by ASCPFC

It could be true - but I think the point of the super league is not the average fan at all. It's like they want a whole new shiny Chinese, African, American and Arab fan - paying for TV rights in a replica shirt. Us old, beardy, balding, beery fans are no longer required.
My own take is - leave them to it. I'd rather a league without all the megabucks. It would be more competitive and, frankly, I'd like to see players earning less and lower transfer fees. Our youngsters would definitely get a chance too.

Sorry ASCPFC but that was definitely (intended as) the general sentiment behind what I was saying.

I'd soon rather watch 'our lot' playing against 'them lot', including all their fans, in the nation's league system, dirty burgers, p!ssing down with rain et al than the Emirates Reds playing the Yank Blues with Popcorn and hog roast seat delivery service in a state of the art arena.

I'm not saying that's correct by any stretch just my preference and I'd hold no grudge against those who choose or prefer the other.

'Let them 'av their Super League'. More 'Good riddance' than 'Oh no' from me.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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rikz Croydon 21 Feb 23 11.57am
Originally posted by Dubai Eagle You may be right - I dont follow the champions league but I did see a few articles several weeks ago talking about an increased number of clubs participating in the European Cup(s) Whether thats CL or the Europa thingy ( or whatever variations are in play these days) I'm pretty sure they're changing the champions league format next season to some shady league format with seedings that basically mean UEFA get to show more games between the big clubs early on in the competition, yet ensuring they still give the big clubs the best possible chance of qualifying for the knockout stages.
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Croydon 21 Feb 23 11.57am

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

You may be right - I dont follow the champions league but I did see a few articles several weeks ago talking about an increased number of clubs participating in the European Cup(s) Whether thats CL or the Europa thingy ( or whatever variations are in play these days)

I'm pretty sure they're changing the champions league format next season to some shady league format with seedings that basically mean UEFA get to show more games between the big clubs early on in the competition, yet ensuring they still give the big clubs the best possible chance of qualifying for the knockout stages.

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Dubai Eagle 21 Feb 23 12.14pm
Does anyone else think that the words, shady, seedings & UEFA go very well together in the same sentence - Originally posted by rikz I'm pretty sure they're changing the champions league format next season to some shady league format with seedings that basically mean UEFA get to show more games between the big clubs early on in the competition, yet ensuring they still give the big clubs the best possible chance of qualifying for the knockout stages.
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21 Feb 23 12.14pm

Does anyone else think that the words, shady, seedings & UEFA go very well together in the same sentence -

Originally posted by rikz

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 21 Feb 23 12.15pm
Originally posted by rikz I'm pretty sure they're changing the champions league format next season to some shady league format with seedings that basically mean UEFA get to show more games between the big clubs early on in the competition, yet ensuring they still give the big clubs the best possible chance of qualifying for the knockout stages. Yes, I believe there's a full league format with the top eight to fight it out. There are going to be too many games but, hey, not my problem. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 21 Feb 23 12.15pm

Originally posted by rikz

Yes, I believe there's a full league format with the top eight to fight it out. There are going to be too many games but, hey, not my problem.

Red and Blue Army!

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YT Oxford 21 Feb 23 1.00pm
Originally posted by Dubai Eagle Does anyone else think that the words, shady, seedings & UEFA go very well together in the same sentence - Yes (although UEFA isn't a word ) Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 21 Feb 23 1.00pm

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

Does anyone else think that the words, shady, seedings & UEFA go very well together in the same sentence -

Yes (although UEFA isn't a word )

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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Isley46 Sanderstead 21 Feb 23 3.18pm
Originally posted by YT Bournemouth have invested you say but also you say that they have no better stadium. What therefore have they invested in? Bournemouth are in the middle of building a brand new training complex on the outskirts of the town to encompass both the first team and all the academy structure - Pushing for the Academy to be at least Cat 2 and possibly even move to a Cat 1. I drove past recently - space and available land doesn't seem to be an issue.
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Sanderstead 21 Feb 23 3.18pm

Originally posted by YT
Bournemouth have invested you say but also you say that they have no better stadium. What therefore have they invested in?

Bournemouth are in the middle of building a brand new training complex on the outskirts of the town to encompass both the first team and all the academy structure - Pushing for the Academy to be at least Cat 2 and possibly even move to a Cat 1.

I drove past recently - space and available land doesn't seem to be an issue.

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est1905 21 Feb 23 5.16pm
I think its quite pessimistic as well as actually unrealistic for anyone to think a Super League is inevitable. Yes the top 6/7 have a lot of power but collectively so do the remaining 13/14 clubs in the league. Not to mention the other 72 EFL clubs that will fight it, the fans (of ALL clubs) as well as the FA, the Premier League, UEFA, FIFA as well as governments of the world will fight against this type of selfish greed. Of course greedy men at the top such as Levy, the Glazers, Stan Kroanke, etc will look at ways to get a bigger slice of TV money. Levy even had the nerve to tell all PL member cubs that Spurs attracts a bigger TV audience therefore should get more money recently. Yet it was the owners of Chelsea (Ken Bates, Palace (Ron Noades), & Man United (Martin Edwards) who not only thought up the idea of the Premier League but were the only club chairmen at the time to back the idea with their money. Spurs owner at the time (Irving Schollar) was actually against the idea. People will always be greedy. Its the way of things. Greed rarely wins when there is so much opposition to it and so few will prosper from their plans.
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21 Feb 23 5.16pm

I think its quite pessimistic as well as actually unrealistic for anyone to think a Super League is inevitable. Yes the top 6/7 have a lot of power but collectively so do the remaining 13/14 clubs in the league. Not to mention the other 72 EFL clubs that will fight it, the fans (of ALL clubs) as well as the FA, the Premier League, UEFA, FIFA as well as governments of the world will fight against this type of selfish greed.
Of course greedy men at the top such as Levy, the Glazers, Stan Kroanke, etc will look at ways to get a bigger slice of TV money. Levy even had the nerve to tell all PL member cubs that Spurs attracts a bigger TV audience therefore should get more money recently. Yet it was the owners of Chelsea (Ken Bates, Palace (Ron Noades), & Man United (Martin Edwards) who not only thought up the idea of the Premier League but were the only club chairmen at the time to back the idea with their money. Spurs owner at the time (Irving Schollar) was actually against the idea.
People will always be greedy. Its the way of things. Greed rarely wins when there is so much opposition to it and so few will prosper from their plans.

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Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 21 Feb 23 5.37pm
You may be right. I can be pessimistic and sometimes unrealistic too. But my central expectation is that the big clubs are saying they make the Premier League, not the likes of Palace. And as such, in their view, should get a much bigger share of its riches. I further expect they will act in concert to achieve this end. In a sense though, the issue doesn't need to be its creation. The true issue, from an investing standpoint, is the very real threat that it happens. Do you want to plow £150 million into Selhurst on that basis? If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.
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You may be right. I can be pessimistic and sometimes unrealistic too.

But my central expectation is that the big clubs are saying they make the Premier League, not the likes of Palace. And as such, in their view, should get a much bigger share of its riches.

I further expect they will act in concert to achieve this end.

In a sense though, the issue doesn't need to be its creation. The true issue, from an investing standpoint, is the very real threat that it happens.

Do you want to plow £150 million into Selhurst on that basis?

If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.

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Wilbraham413 22 Feb 23 3.05am
Wouldn't a super league be better for us? Ideally, wouldn't we want to compete against clubs in a more or less fair setting? As long as City, United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, and now Newcastle, can buy all the best players, then what are we playing for? Ideally, we have one lucky season out of ten, finish in the top six, and get to play in Europe for one season? That's it? The Premier League structure is broken in favor of the top clubs, so if they want to all F off to their own league, I'd welcome it. Good riddance. ManU can play PSG, Barcelona, and Juventus every Saturday, instead of beating up on Southampton, Bournemouth, and us. In general, we have 7 out of 20 PL clubs with so much money, they can't be relegated. So you have 13 clubs fighting over 3 relegation spots. 3 relegation spots out of 20 clubs is reasonable, but 3 relegation spots out of 13 clubs makes no sense. At the very least, reduce the relegation spots to 2, and/or make one of the spots a playoff where the club from the PL plays the club from the Championship to determine if the Championship club gets promoted. 2017 Feb. (Van Aanholt) Palace 1 - 0 Middlesboro 2018 Jan. (Sako) Palace 1 - 0 Burnley 2019 May (Batshuayi, Batshuayi, OG, Van Aanholt, Townsend) Palace 5 - 3 Bournemouth 2020 Feb. (Van Aanholt) Palace 1 - 0 Newcastle
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22 Feb 23 3.05am

Wouldn't a super league be better for us? Ideally, wouldn't we want to compete against clubs in a more or less fair setting? As long as City, United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, and now Newcastle, can buy all the best players, then what are we playing for? Ideally, we have one lucky season out of ten, finish in the top six, and get to play in Europe for one season? That's it?

The Premier League structure is broken in favor of the top clubs, so if they want to all F off to their own league, I'd welcome it. Good riddance. ManU can play PSG, Barcelona, and Juventus every Saturday, instead of beating up on Southampton, Bournemouth, and us.

In general, we have 7 out of 20 PL clubs with so much money, they can't be relegated. So you have 13 clubs fighting over 3 relegation spots. 3 relegation spots out of 20 clubs is reasonable, but 3 relegation spots out of 13 clubs makes no sense. At the very least, reduce the relegation spots to 2, and/or make one of the spots a playoff where the club from the PL plays the club from the Championship to determine if the Championship club gets promoted.

2017 Feb. (Van Aanholt) Palace 1 - 0 Middlesboro
2018 Jan. (Sako) Palace 1 - 0 Burnley
2019 May (Batshuayi, Batshuayi, OG, Van Aanholt, Townsend) Palace 5 - 3 Bournemouth
2020 Feb. (Van Aanholt) Palace 1 - 0 Newcastle

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Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 22 Feb 23 8.11am
I would essentially agree with that. The key risk would be a huge drop in revenue that's not met with an immediate and commensurate decline in expenditure. But f*** them all. Let them go play with their toys. If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.
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Wickham de L'Ouest 22 Feb 23 8.11am

I would essentially agree with that. The key risk would be a huge drop in revenue that's not met with an immediate and commensurate decline in expenditure.

But f*** them all. Let them go play with their toys.

If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.

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southnorwoodhill 22 Feb 23 8.16am
The super league is a great idea, the like of Liverpool can get thumped week in week out by the creme de la creme of European sides - what's not to like?
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The super league is a great idea, the like of Liverpool can get thumped week in week out by the creme de la creme of European sides - what's not to like?

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Badger11 Beckenham 22 Feb 23 8.28am
There's actually 2 slightly opposing forces at play here. 1. Greedy PL clubs want to cherry pick the teams they play and don't want relegation. 2. The rest of Europe. The latest version of the ESL (which hasn't gone anywhere) did not include PL clubs but 80 teams from the other leagues. The PL is so rich it distorts the game in Europe. I believe that a Pl club gets more money from TV than the entire Scottish football TV deal. So if the smaller clubs and leagues around Europe want to boost their revenue I don't think that's a bad thing too many leagues only contain 2/3 good clubs e.g. Scotland so a more competitive competition would be good for European football. This doesn't have to be a breakaway organisation all of this could be done by UEFA but of course the national FA's would be against it. If the PL was to become a "super" league with no promotion or relegation I would rather stay with the other 72 clubs. One more point
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Beckenham 22 Feb 23 8.28am

There's actually 2 slightly opposing forces at play here.

1. Greedy PL clubs want to cherry pick the teams they play and don't want relegation.

2. The rest of Europe.
The latest version of the ESL (which hasn't gone anywhere) did not include PL clubs but 80 teams from the other leagues.

The PL is so rich it distorts the game in Europe. I believe that a Pl club gets more money from TV than the entire Scottish football TV deal.

So if the smaller clubs and leagues around Europe want to boost their revenue I don't think that's a bad thing too many leagues only contain 2/3 good clubs e.g. Scotland so a more competitive competition would be good for European football.

This doesn't have to be a breakaway organisation all of this could be done by UEFA but of course the national FA's would be against it.

If the PL was to become a "super" league with no promotion or relegation I would rather stay with the other 72 clubs.

One more point

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