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Painter Croydon 04 Jul 23 8.39pm
Originally posted by EastEndEagle 1 of 2 things will happen given this announcement. Roy will get the sack part way through the season and Parish will stick Paddy in until the end of the season in the hope he can become an immediate success and guide us to safety. Or Roy will guide us to mid table safety, Paddy will have spent a full season learning from Roy and Ray and will pick up the role the following season. Either way I look at it all things point to Paddy and those are the cheap options for Parish as he knows both Roy and Paddy will operate within the financial constraints he puts upon the club. There isnt any chance of McCarthy becoming our manager anytime soon. He has no managerial experience at all, being an assistant manager is very different. Would you risk £100m on an inexperienced manager at any level, who just happened to play for the club?
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Painter

Croydon 04 Jul 23 8.39pm

Originally posted by EastEndEagle

1 of 2 things will happen given this announcement.

Roy will get the sack part way through the season and Parish will stick Paddy in until the end of the season in the hope he can become an immediate success and guide us to safety.

Roy will guide us to mid table safety, Paddy will have spent a full season learning from Roy and Ray and will pick up the role the following season.

Either way I look at it all things point to Paddy and those are the cheap options for Parish as he knows both Roy and Paddy will operate within the financial constraints he puts upon the club.

There isnt any chance of McCarthy becoming our manager anytime soon. He has no managerial experience at all, being an assistant manager is very different. Would you risk £100m on an inexperienced manager at any level, who just happened to play for the club?

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EastEndEagle london 04 Jul 23 9.05pm
Originally posted by Painter There isnt any chance of McCarthy becoming our manager anytime soon. He has no managerial experience at all, being an assistant manager is very different. Would you risk £100m on an inexperienced manager at any level, who just happened to play for the club? I am not saying I want it to happen - far from it. I agree with the many comments that we are just delaying the inevitable, that it shows a lack of vision and is kicking the can down the road. It just what I believe is likely to happen based on previous decisions by Parish and the board.
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london 04 Jul 23 9.05pm

Originally posted by Painter

I am not saying I want it to happen - far from it. I agree with the many comments that we are just delaying the inevitable, that it shows a lack of vision and is kicking the can down the road.

It just what I believe is likely to happen based on previous decisions by Parish and the board.

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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 04 Jul 23 9.14pm
Originally posted by Painter There isnt any chance of McCarthy becoming our manager anytime soon. He has no managerial experience at all, being an assistant manager is very different. Would you risk £100m on an inexperienced manager at any level, who just happened to play for the club? Arsenal risked more than that when they signed Arteta! Now I'm not saying that McCarthy should be in line to take over from Hodgson. However, he did show he could manage the U21s and get the best out of them (performances of the U21s fell off after he stepped up when Vieira was sacked) so he has shown he has man-management skills - not to be sniffed at. I question whether the likes of Lampard, Gerrard and perhaps even Vieira have them. I would like to see McCarthy go and earn his corn at a lower league club. He may well be a candidate for a PL job in the future and possibly with Palace if we're still in the PL, of course.
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Too far from Selhurst Park 04 Jul 23 9.14pm

Originally posted by Painter

Arsenal risked more than that when they signed Arteta!

Now I'm not saying that McCarthy should be in line to take over from Hodgson.

However, he did show he could manage the U21s and get the best out of them (performances of the U21s fell off after he stepped up when Vieira was sacked) so he has shown he has man-management skills - not to be sniffed at. I question whether the likes of Lampard, Gerrard and perhaps even Vieira have them.

I would like to see McCarthy go and earn his corn at a lower league club. He may well be a candidate for a PL job in the future and possibly with Palace if we're still in the PL, of course.

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Painter Croydon 05 Jul 23 10.13am
Originally posted by doombear Arsenal risked more than that when they signed Arteta! Now I'm not saying that McCarthy should be in line to take over from Hodgson. However, he did show he could manage the U21s and get the best out of them (performances of the U21s fell off after he stepped up when Vieira was sacked) so he has shown he has man-management skills - not to be sniffed at. I question whether the likes of Lampard, Gerrard and perhaps even Vieira have them. I would like to see McCarthy go and earn his corn at a lower league club. He may well be a candidate for a PL job in the future and possibly with Palace if we're still in the PL, of course. What man management skills, he has looked after a bunch of kids, not highly paid Premier players, there is a big difference. If he looked after kids at any other club, there wouldn’t be any discussion about him being a future Palace manager.
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Croydon 05 Jul 23 10.13am

Originally posted by doombear

Arsenal risked more than that when they signed Arteta!

Now I'm not saying that McCarthy should be in line to take over from Hodgson.

I would like to see McCarthy go and earn his corn at a lower league club. He may well be a candidate for a PL job in the future and possibly with Palace if we're still in the PL, of course.

What man management skills, he has looked after a bunch of kids, not highly paid Premier players, there is a big difference. If he looked after kids at any other club, there wouldn’t be any discussion about him being a future Palace manager.

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est1905 05 Jul 23 1.07pm
Originally posted by Casual Paddy ?? Really?? Would you have any interest in him if he wasn’t already at /played for Palace? A year putting the cones out, doesn’t make a premier league manager I’m afraid. Completely agree. If Paddy had never played for Palace everyone would be laughing their arses off at the prospect of Paddy taking charge of a Premiership club
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05 Jul 23 1.07pm

Originally posted by Casual

Paddy ?? Really??
Would you have any interest in him if he wasn’t already at /played for Palace?
A year putting the cones out, doesn’t make a premier league manager I’m afraid.

Completely agree. If Paddy had never played for Palace everyone would be laughing their arses off at the prospect of Paddy taking charge of a Premiership club

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est1905 05 Jul 23 1.13pm
Originally posted by doombear Arsenal risked more than that when they signed Arteta! Now I'm not saying that McCarthy should be in line to take over from Hodgson. However, he did show he could manage the U21s and get the best out of them (performances of the U21s fell off after he stepped up when Vieira was sacked) so he has shown he has man-management skills - not to be sniffed at. I question whether the likes of Lampard, Gerrard and perhaps even Vieira have them. I would like to see McCarthy go and earn his corn at a lower league club. He may well be a candidate for a PL job in the future and possibly with Palace if we're still in the PL, of course. Completely different but the most obvious difference is Arsenal are wealthy enough to go a season without Champions League football whereas Palace cant really afford to lose their place in the division-which is what would likely happen should we make the wrong managerial choice!
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05 Jul 23 1.13pm

Originally posted by doombear

Arsenal risked more than that when they signed Arteta!

Now I'm not saying that McCarthy should be in line to take over from Hodgson.

I would like to see McCarthy go and earn his corn at a lower league club. He may well be a candidate for a PL job in the future and possibly with Palace if we're still in the PL, of course.

Completely different but the most obvious difference is Arsenal are wealthy enough to go a season without Champions League football whereas Palace cant really afford to lose their place in the division-which is what would likely happen should we make the wrong managerial choice!

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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 05 Jul 23 1.35pm
Originally posted by est1905 Completely different but the most obvious difference is Arsenal are wealthy enough to go a season without Champions League football whereas Palace cant really afford to lose their place in the division-which is what would likely happen should we make the wrong managerial choice! At present yes, but after a year or possibly two working as Hodgson's assistant, it will become somewhat similar if he's deemed to be good enough, and unlike Arteta, he wouldn't be moving to a new club and having to get to know the players etc.. Given the rate at which PL managers are being sacked these days employing a manager from outside the club (other than one with proven PL successful experience - and they will probably want a bigger club) is equally risky. Edited by doombear (05 Jul 2023 1.36pm)
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Too far from Selhurst Park 05 Jul 23 1.35pm

Originally posted by est1905

Completely different but the most obvious difference is Arsenal are wealthy enough to go a season without Champions League football whereas Palace cant really afford to lose their place in the division-which is what would likely happen should we make the wrong managerial choice!

At present yes, but after a year or possibly two working as Hodgson's assistant, it will become somewhat similar if he's deemed to be good enough, and unlike Arteta, he wouldn't be moving to a new club and having to get to know the players etc..

Given the rate at which PL managers are being sacked these days employing a manager from outside the club (other than one with proven PL successful experience - and they will probably want a bigger club) is equally risky.

Edited by doombear (05 Jul 2023 1.36pm)

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est1905 05 Jul 23 5.50pm
Originally posted by doombear At present yes, but after a year or possibly two working as Hodgson's assistant, it will become somewhat similar if he's deemed to be good enough, and unlike Arteta, he wouldn't be moving to a new club and having to get to know the players etc.. Given the rate at which PL managers are being sacked these days employing a manager from outside the club (other than one with proven PL successful experience - and they will probably want a bigger club) is equally risky. Edited by doombear (05 Jul 2023 1.36pm) If your auntie had bollox..... In my opinion giving it to Macarthy in a years time is still ridiculous if he has had zero first team experience as the no.1. Arsenal can afford to take that kind of risk (and have the money to make a World class replacement. We dont.
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05 Jul 23 5.50pm

Originally posted by doombear

Edited by doombear (05 Jul 2023 1.36pm)

If your auntie had bollox.....
In my opinion giving it to Macarthy in a years time is still ridiculous if he has had zero first team experience as the no.1. Arsenal can afford to take that kind of risk (and have the money to make a World class replacement. We dont.

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 05 Jul 23 6.09pm
Originally posted by est1905 If your auntie had bollox..... In my opinion giving it to Macarthy in a years time is still ridiculous if he has had zero first team experience as the no.1. Arsenal can afford to take that kind of risk (and have the money to make a World class replacement. We dont. But it’s all within context. We are not big enough to attract a “ World Class replacement “ as you say. So we would look to replace at a different level should we give the job to Paddy and it doesn’t work out. In the same way we would if an external hire didn’t . If in a years time Dougie and Roy think that Paddy is up to the task then he may get a chance Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 05 Jul 23 6.09pm

Originally posted by est1905

But it’s all within context.

We are not big enough to attract a “ World Class replacement “ as you say. So we would look to replace at a different level should we give the job to Paddy and it doesn’t work out. In the same way we would if an external hire didn’t .

If in a years time Dougie and Roy think that Paddy is up to the task then he may get a chance

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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 05 Jul 23 6.11pm
Originally posted by est1905 If your auntie had bollox..... In my opinion giving it to Macarthy in a years time is still ridiculous if he has had zero first team experience as the no.1. Arsenal can afford to take that kind of risk (and have the money to make a World class replacement. We dont. So, who in your experienced opinion, should we sign that's going to give us top half finishes & possibly Europe. Paddy learning from probably the most experience manger in the Prem, is a risk far better than anyone else, UNLESS they happen to be a Prem winner & fit in with the Palace ethos . . . I'm a blind man, i'm a blind man, now my room is cold, When a blind man cries, Lord, he feels it from his soul. [Link]
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On The Road To Hell & Alicante 05 Jul 23 6.11pm

Originally posted by est1905

So, who in your experienced opinion, should we sign that's going to give us top half finishes & possibly Europe.

Paddy learning from probably the most experience manger in the Prem, is a risk far better than anyone else, UNLESS they happen to be a Prem winner & fit in with the Palace ethos . . .

I'm a blind man, i'm a blind man, now my room is cold,
When a blind man cries, Lord, he feels it from his soul.
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orpingtoneagle Orpington 05 Jul 23 7.34pm
Lots on here seem to assume this is all part of a master plan, Roy nurtures Paddy for a year and hey presto Paddy leads us to the promised land. I don't see that level of planning by the board. Roy however great he is/was is in the twilight years. We clearly looked at other managers but failed to appoint. We have taken the easy way out. Will it work? Only time will tell
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Lots on here seem to assume this is all part of a master plan, Roy nurtures Paddy for a year and hey presto Paddy leads us to the promised land.

I don't see that level of planning by the board.

Roy however great he is/was is in the twilight years. We clearly looked at other managers but failed to appoint.

We have taken the easy way out. Will it work? Only time will tell

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 05 Jul 23 7.50pm
Originally posted by orpingtoneagle Lots on here seem to assume this is all part of a master plan, Roy nurtures Paddy for a year and hey presto Paddy leads us to the promised land. I don't see that level of planning by the board. Roy however great he is/was is in the twilight years. We clearly looked at other managers but failed to appoint. We have taken the easy way out. Will it work? Only time will tell Well, there are a lot of assumptions being made on here. You’ve just made one - how is it “ clear “ that we looked at other managers but failed to appoint ? Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 05 Jul 23 7.50pm

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

Lots on here seem to assume this is all part of a master plan, Roy nurtures Paddy for a year and hey presto Paddy leads us to the promised land.

I don't see that level of planning by the board.

Roy however great he is/was is in the twilight years. We clearly looked at other managers but failed to appoint.

We have taken the easy way out. Will it work? Only time will tell

Well, there are a lot of assumptions being made on here. You’ve just made one - how is it “ clear “ that we looked at other managers but failed to appoint ?

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