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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 04 Dec 23 12.03pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

We have a crazy system at Palace. A manager that has no influence over transfers such that when the management buy players that he doesn’t like, he ignores them. When you have a limited budget this is a suicidal way of organising your squad.

Get rid of the management or get rid of the manager as they are not mutually compatible if they carry on buying without each others approval.

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 04 Dec 23 12.06pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

One of the points that I was making was that Moyes at least had more proven options on the bench than Hodgson did. My son in law is a West Ham season ticket holder, and yes, they do get frustrated with Moyes and his use or not of subs.

When it comes to Hodgson's '' stubbornness '' I tend to look at it this way. His No.1 priority and main objective is to keep Palace in the Premier League. That's why he is in the job again. So he's not going to deviate from the methods that he has previously employed and that includes putting his faith in experience over youth.

A more risk taking manager may well have brought Ahamada and / or Franca into the game yesterday, but complaining that they weren't strikes me as similar to moving to Manchester then complaining about the rain

If there is a lack of ambition about our manager and our style of play, I think it's only a reflection of the sum of the clubs ambition.

i agree with all of that, except i would replace ambition with Resourcses

 


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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 04 Dec 23 12.12pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

We have a crazy system at Palace. A manager that has no influence over transfers such that when the management buy players that he doesn’t like, he ignores them. When you have a limited budget this is a suicidal way of organising your squad.

Get rid of the management or get rid of the manager as they are not mutually compatible if they carry on buying without each others approval.

I don't think it's quite that simple, although I know where you're coming from. And our operating model isn't unique. I'm sure Potter and then Poch had little influence over Chelsea's recent transfer windows.

If you look at the summer signings, Lerma has been selected when fit. Holding was always going to be a squad player. Henderson will provide direct competition for the goalkeeper position. Franca is the big gamble, and the one which I would say it was unlikely Hodgson would throw in at the deep end. The fact that the player was injured when he joined up has also delayed his progress.

 


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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 04 Dec 23 12.13pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

We're the only team Luton have beaten at home this season.
I doubt any of their players would get near being in our team other than Doughty.
Our team finished strongly last season and the only players missing from that period were Eze and Doucoure in the Luton game.
Two key players admittedly, but the current side is unrecognisable in terms of performances and this is unacceptable.
We're looking for excuses for losing to Luton and why a draw v Bournemouth would be a good result.

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

I disagree, the reason we lost to Luton were the injuries to Eze and Doucoure, and as you know we are a second half team tacticaly, the team that started at the Spammers, only Johnstone, Guehi, Andersen and Olise would get into a decent top 10 side, i think Roy is doing a great job with what he has, as seen when everybody was available at the end of last season, but, i think he should not be manager next season.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 04 Dec 23 12.23pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

We're the only team Luton have beaten at home this season.
I doubt any of their players would get near being in our team other than Doughty.
Our team finished strongly last season and the only players missing from that period were Eze and Doucoure in the Luton game.
Two key players admittedly, but the current side is unrecognisable in terms of performances and this is unacceptable.
We're looking for excuses for losing to Luton and why a draw v Bournemouth would be a good result.

I think there were a number of reasons why we lost to Luton. Yes, the injuries certainly had a detrimental effect on the team. Prior to that, especially at the beginning of the game, we created chances that were well saved by their 'keeper. We looked in control but without a lead to show for it.

So I wouldn't agree that the whole performance was a bad one, but if you don't score while on top and then you make mistakes at the back, expect to be punished.

It's a sad reflection on the strength of the squad that one or two players missing from it have such an impact.

 


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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 04 Dec 23 12.26pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO
One of the points that I was making was that Moyes at least had more proven options on the bench than Hodgson did. My son in law is a West Ham season ticket holder, and yes, they do get frustrated with Moyes and his use or not of subs.

When it comes to Hodgson's '' stubbornness '' I tend to look at it this way. His No.1 priority and main objective is to keep Palace in the Premier League. That's why he is in the job again. So he's not going to deviate from the methods that he has previously employed and that includes putting his faith in experience over youth.

A more risk taking manager may well have brought Ahamada and / or Franca into the game yesterday, but complaining that they weren't strikes me as similar to moving to Manchester then complaining about the rain

If there is a lack of ambition about our manager and our style of play, I think it's only a reflection of the sum of the clubs ambition.

I'm not really blaming Roy. We're getting the Roy we already knew and expected. A 76-year-old leopard is unlikely to change his spots! I think I'm just deflated that it feels like we've gone backwards again when it felt like we were teetering on something really good. I do think the squad is too weak and said so before the season started, but my concern is our points tally is masking where we're really at. I think it's the wrong time to think about changing the manager, but I do wish for once he would just try and live a little. If it continues like this MotD will probably be asking if they have to show our games at all.

 

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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

I disagree, the reason we lost to Luton were the injuries to Eze and Doucoure, and as you know we are a second half team tacticaly, the team that started at the Spammers, only Johnstone, Guehi, Andersen and Olise would get into a decent top 10 side, i think Roy is doing a great job with what he has, as seen when everybody was available at the end of last season, but, i think he should not be manager next season.

One win in seven is not great given four of those games were against teams below us. You can make excuses, but it's not great. After Bournemouth we have an incredibly tough run of fixtures right through to mid-February during which we only play one team below us in the table. 16 points looks ok right now, but it is not unthinkable that it won't be much higher in three months time. We really needed more points from these games. Bournemouth suddenly looks like a much more important game.

 

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View monkey's Profile monkey Flag Sittingbourne,Kent 04 Dec 23 12.35pm Send a Private Message to monkey Add monkey as a friend

It’s quite simple really, some fans just can’t get their head around that we’re still little old Crystal Palace punching above our weight and are unable to compete financially. We have to play a certain way otherwise we’d get battered and end up going down. Maybe if we went down and kept the same team( which obviously wouldn’t happen) we could attack a bit more and create more chances, yes it can be dull at the moment, buts it’s where we’re at and where we’ll always be without a bigger better ground, a bigger fan base and/or loaded owners

Look at Burnley, brilliant last season, I bet their fans loved it, but apart from their game game against hapless Sheffield it’s all a bit different now, it’s all about survival, and it’s not pretty sometimes.

I know some think after ten years we should’ve progressed, well I think we have, apart from a couple of times off the top of my head we’ve never been in trouble at the bottom, we always do enough to comfortably keep well clear of the trap door


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View orpingtoneagle's Profile orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 04 Dec 23 12.40pm Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

No you are right we have failed to invest in our squad at the rate of our comparators so we are now light years behind them in terms of a squad ( we have a decent enough starting 11. )

Also we have a manager who operates on a squad system l that being 11 and if you don't fit his starting 11 you may as well not be there.

We got lucky yesterday with a goal they gifted us

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 04 Dec 23 12.46pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

I don't think it's quite that simple, although I know where you're coming from. And our operating model isn't unique. I'm sure Potter and then Poch had little influence over Chelsea's recent transfer windows.

If you look at the summer signings, Lerma has been selected when fit. Holding was always going to be a squad player. Henderson will provide direct competition for the goalkeeper position. Franca is the big gamble, and the one which I would say it was unlikely Hodgson would throw in at the deep end. The fact that the player was injured when he joined up has also delayed his progress.

My argument would be that unlike us, there is no limited budget and a rather large choice of squad players or loans that could be called back to choose from.

If Roy had a choice he would undoubtedly have bought some old hands in to steel the squad, but Parish wants youngsters who are going to provide some excitement and have future value. The net result as you rightly say is Lerma plays, Hughes plays, Schlupp continues to play and Ahamada, Franca, Ebiowei, Rak Sakhi are constantly on the bench.

 

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View EddieMac's Profile EddieMac Flag 04 Dec 23 12.55pm Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

Another thing to put things into perspective is just look at the league table. Every single game in this division is so hard to call. With a bit of luck we could beaten Everton and Luton and be sitting level with Brighton. This is the league we are in.

It’s not easy to get points.

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 04 Dec 23 12.56pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

The starting eleven that West Ham put out cost 282.2M EUR
Our starting eleven that we put out cost 89.3M EUR
Figures from Transfermkt, i would be embarrassed if i supported the Spammers, i would certainly question Moyes, if after spending that amount of money the putting in a performance like that, for me it was a 50/50 game, think about that before putting in a reply

Its good perspective for sure.

And a good response to anyone who says that money is the answer.

However on the pitch its 11 x 11 as Luton showed us.

An away point at WH is a good result. If it had of been preceded by a couple of wins we'd be sitting in the top half looking forward to Bmouth.

 

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