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View WJK1960's Profile WJK1960 Flag 07 Dec 23 8.18am Send a Private Message to WJK1960 Add WJK1960 as a friend

Bournemouth were last season arguably one of the worst teams in the division. Gary O'Neill performed a minor miracle keeping them up. To try and prevent this happening again they have spent 137m Euros on new players according to Transfermarkt, and that excludes the fees for loan deals. In comparison we have spent 38m Euros, and the only one of those arrivals that is a regular is the free transfer Lerma.
Its an arms race every year to get new talent, and our transfer activity this summer was really poor, with money spent where it was not needed. In my view it is a combination of the injuries to key players and the lack of overall quality in the squad that is the real problem and we are now being found out big time.
Sacking Hodgson won't resolve this, unless we do what we have done in several previous years by taking on a new manager and spend panic money in January.
There is no doubt however that we are in trouble. Luton are beginning to show a bit of form and and Everton will easily overcome their 10 point deduction.

 

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View Eaglehamster's Profile Eaglehamster Flag Storrington 07 Dec 23 8.31am Send a Private Message to Eaglehamster Add Eaglehamster as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

After the shambles, Hodgson says "The fact is, the fans have been spoiled here in recent times." "All our efforts, all our work, all our toughing it out to keep us in the game didn't create enough goal chances and, as a result, the fans are unhappy because they came here expecting us to blow this tiny Bournemouth team away."

"I think the players' efforts in the second half were worthy of some sort of support really."

"We can't force the fans to stay behind them in those moments. We can't get them to do what they are so famed for doing if they chose not to do that."

So the fans are spoilt in paying an arm and a leg to watch a dire performance that Hodgson is uncritical of. He talks of the players' effort - was he watching a different game? His contempt of the fans and his hubris are appalling.

Edited by georgenorman (07 Dec 2023 7.23am)

Yep it's our fault. That interview has damaged him. No way back.

 


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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 07 Dec 23 8.40am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglehamster

Yep it's our fault. That interview has damaged him. No way back.

He's probably still bitter for having to apologise for his comments re the youngsters. I've met people like him, they never accept responsibility when things go wrong. They're not the most reliable of sorts.
Maybe Roy will have to track back on his comments re the fans too, to which I would say "Roy, it's all a bit too much at this late stage isn't it? Don't be so stubborn, hand in your notice graciously, and have a well earned break".

Edited by southnorwoodhill (07 Dec 2023 8.41am)

 

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View Pete53's Profile Pete53 Flag Hassocks 07 Dec 23 8.55am Send a Private Message to Pete53 Add Pete53 as a friend

Originally posted by hythemaceagle

Dear Mr Parish and Hodgson. Us paying fans have been putting up with this rubbish since we were promoted in 2013. Do you not think we deserve better in our 11th consecutive season in the Premier League? With maximum attendances of barely 11,000, why is it that Luton and Bournemouth can play attractive football on a shoestring budget, but we can’t? Enough is enough! Change is warranted and due!

I very much feel the same way.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 07 Dec 23 8.58am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by WJK1960

Bournemouth were last season arguably one of the worst teams in the division. Gary O'Neill performed a minor miracle keeping them up. To try and prevent this happening again they have spent 137m Euros on new players according to Transfermarkt, and that excludes the fees for loan deals. In comparison we have spent 38m Euros, and the only one of those arrivals that is a regular is the free transfer Lerma.
Its an arms race every year to get new talent, and our transfer activity this summer was really poor, with money spent where it was not needed. In my view it is a combination of the injuries to key players and the lack of overall quality in the squad that is the real problem and we are now being found out big time.
Sacking Hodgson won't resolve this, unless we do what we have done in several previous years by taking on a new manager and spend panic money in January.
There is no doubt however that we are in trouble. Luton are beginning to show a bit of form and and Everton will easily overcome their 10 point deduction.

Looks like we're going to have to do this or we might well be going down. I couldn't muster a single positive to cling to from last night, nothing whatsoever.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Goal Machine's Profile Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 07 Dec 23 9.03am Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

That performance was dire. Worst I can remember for a long time.

I’m not yet in the ‘Roy out’ camp as I believe he has a knack of getting the best out of his players and still has the dressing room behind him. That performance was a level below the Luton and Everton games. I like to think it was a one off.

What worried me was how slow Roy was to react. We were crying out for some kind of creativity in the second half and we had Franca and Ebeowi on the bench. They’re both raw but we were in a desperate nothing to lose situation.

The fullback position is beyond a joke. This performance leads me to think the board will be forced to spend in Jan. We urgently need to buy a LB & RB and sign a holding midfielder on loan. We desperately need Franca to get to the player all thought we’d we signed.

For me, our only positive was the performance of Lerma.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 07 Dec 23 9.07am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

I opted against going to the game last night due to the train situation. First home game I've missed in years.

So I saw the TV pre match interview with Steve Parish.

Asked about the intent in the January window, he said he was looking at bringing in experienced players on loan.

Now, although I personally don't believe we have a batch of Academy players ready for the first team, this strategy smacks of short termism and could be seen as a blocker to those players development - something that he had previously committed to.

Just little or no coherent thought from the Top at the moment.

 


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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 07 Dec 23 9.13am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

I opted against going to the game last night due to the train situation. First home game I've missed in years.

So I saw the TV pre match interview with Steve Parish.

Asked about the intent in the January window, he said he was looking at bringing in experienced players on loan.

Now, although I personally don't believe we have a batch of Academy players ready for the first team, this strategy smacks of short termism and could be seen as a blocker to those players development - something that he had previously committed to.

Just little or no coherent thought from the Top at the moment.

Parish is a sharp talking, short termist, snake oil salesman, BS merchant. Just my opinion naturally.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 07 Dec 23 9.19am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

I opted against going to the game last night due to the train situation. First home game I've missed in years.

So I saw the TV pre match interview with Steve Parish.

Asked about the intent in the January window, he said he was looking at bringing in experienced players on loan.

Now, although I personally don't believe we have a batch of Academy players ready for the first team, this strategy smacks of short termism and could be seen as a blocker to those players development - something that he had previously committed to.

Just little or no coherent thought from the Top at the moment.

Whilst that 'seems like a plan' NEILLO unfortunately we have found ourselves in a position no different from years past. We have long seen reactive, short term models lacking adherence to a longer term, effective plan - the academy, signing younger players, bringing in new managers a la FdB and PV etc. None of this has really ever felt properly thought through or executed.

It almost seems the singular goal of remaining in the PL has remained in place whilst some flimsy attempts at anything else have been made. It's not particularly a criticism from me, I at the very least recognise that the ability to 'do more' is very limited.

Where things are now however, I have little thought or care for academies, young prospects, new stands or anything else. We need to win some football games and look a million miles from the capability to do so. We need to change the manager and desperately need some players. If Parish is only identifying the 'loan market' that's very concerning but at the very least might be something as anything is needed.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 07 Dec 23 9.27am Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

In the circumstances Hodgsons comments do him no real favours. There is only ever one place where it goes wrong, and that’s within the club, reflecting on to the pitch.
It has to be true to say the club has over achieved for nearly all of its stay in this division,Parish deserves enormous credit for that. But this season , the very idea that we could not be where we are with a squad smaller and weaker than it was three seasons back, seems crazy to me, our squad is always two or three players short of its best, purely because of an expected injury rate, and only it’s best is not a possible relegation candidate. No one can know what the thinking has been in the club, but surely that fact can not have gone right over their heads? In reality it must have done because as we see , it is now what it is .
If the January window doesn’t become a big success , with more than one real improvement to the way our team performs then the struggle to beat those around us will continue, and surely even the club and its board must know where they will be next year.

 

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View mtp1958's Profile mtp1958 Flag Grays 07 Dec 23 9.30am Send a Private Message to mtp1958 Add mtp1958 as a friend

well not sure what to say about last night but here goes .
we was all over the place , we lost shape very quickly never seen us do that for along time , we lost the ability to pass to our own players same at west ham, The Richards experiment is a no go , ok against west ham , looked lost last night ,
the passing problems last night was the players not the coaching Guehi seemed to have his boots on the wrong feet ,
Sadly Olise is no Zaha and didnt know how handle 2 or 3 players around him when simple ball was the better option ,

we did miss Eze alot and Doucoure , the loss of Mitchel didnt help even if i think that we has not progressed from his early days ,

we must buy in Jan 1. to cover cheick , 2. fresh full back , and see if we can find the holy grail a striker , hopefully one who can jump , until then we must play 5 at the back 4 midfield and Olise on his own up front , hopefully when Eze returns we could at least counter attack , just looked at the latest injury list and its long again ,

with the run of matches coming up its damage limitation time 2 points would be a good return at the moment ,
And at this point the fans must sing there hearts out as its going to be a rough ride until we sort this out , you know the other teams expect to beat us and thats when us palace fans start singing louder , we can turn this COYP

Edited by mtp1958 (07 Dec 2023 9.33am)

 

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View crvenaeagle's Profile crvenaeagle Flag 07 Dec 23 9.32am Send a Private Message to crvenaeagle Add crvenaeagle as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Whilst that 'seems like a plan' NEILLO unfortunately we have found ourselves in a position no different from years past. We have long seen reactive, short term models lacking adherence to a longer term, effective plan - the academy, signing younger players, bringing in new managers a la FdB and PV etc. None of this has really ever felt properly thought through or executed.

It almost seems the singular goal of remaining in the PL has remained in place whilst some flimsy attempts at anything else have been made. It's not particularly a criticism from me, I at the very least recognise that the ability to 'do more' is very limited.

Where things are now however, I have little thought or care for academies, young prospects, new stands or anything else. We need to win some football games and look a million miles from the capability to do so. We need to change the manager and desperately need some players. If Parish is only identifying the 'loan market' that's very concerning but at the very least might be something as anything is needed.

We had ample opportunity to "utilise the loan market" in summer.

 

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