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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 02 Mar 22 9.40am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I never expected a rout, in actual fact I predicted 1-0 but I did expect us to more dominant against a Stoke side with 1 win in their previous 8 league games.
There was nothing between the teams and our defensive woes continued.

We've played far better than that this season - and lost.

I'm sure PV will have made his thoughts clear on the level of performance.

But in Cup football it's all about the result.

As for our defence, Clyne had a bad one last night. It's clear that we need a new right back this summer. Tayo I thought was a 6/10. Given more help on the night, he could have had a better game. He's certainly one to push on.

 


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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 02 Mar 22 9.45am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend


You could be accused of hyperbole in referring to our ‘defensive woes.’
We have a -1 goal difference which is better than it has been for some time and we have never been in danger of taking an absolute trashing.
Mitchell and Guehi are enjoying fine seasons and, prior to Christmas, Ward had looked very solid.
I understand that you have a problem with Anderson and accept he is not a Dann nor a Cahill.
While he is not a dominant old school defender he is critical to the way Vieira wants to play and he is an adept passer of the ball from the back.
There will be a mistakes made , but the key question is whether the benefits outweigh the detriments?
Insofar that our defensive record is comparatively good and that we are attempting to play constructively I would argue that the answer to that is yes.


Originally posted by Willo

I never expected a rout, in actual fact I predicted 1-0 but I did expect us to more dominant against a Stoke side with 1 win in their previous 8 league games.
There was nothing between the teams and our defensive woes continued.

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 02 Mar 22 9.46am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by Bexley Eagle

Really. I thought Clyne’s passing was awful tonight. He could see the forward pass he should be playing but didn’t have the ability to play it. That said the rest weren’t much better.

I agree. I think we are all blinded by fond memories of Clyne. He looks ever more out of depth than Ward when getting forward and his passing is awful.

 

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 02 Mar 22 9.50am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

I guess that sometimes we need to look at it from the Players point of view.
Their objective was to win the game - and they did.
Would they have preferred to play better and win more easily - I am sure that they would.
I suspect that a lot of used to play at one level or another and frankly those horrible games when you won ugly were great games to play in.
Maybe it is different at the professional level but nonetheless, while I have been critical of last nights performance, we did do what was asked of us.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 02 Mar 22 9.53am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

We got away with one for sure.
Stoke looked a decent unit spraying the balls wide at every opportunity. Move on now and hope it's not boro away !

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 02 Mar 22 9.53am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

We did indeed.

Did just enough, we are through, no injuries, plenty in the tank for the next game... and would you have bet on the scorers!

 

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View Pete53's Profile Pete53 Flag Hassocks 02 Mar 22 9.56am Send a Private Message to Pete53 Add Pete53 as a friend

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

I thought the team were playing for Comic Relief!!! Looked very lack lustre as indeed they did last Saturday. They won't get through the next round playing like that.

I got no smiles nor much relief attending that game

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Mar 22 10.01am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA


You could be accused of hyperbole in referring to our ‘defensive woes.’
We have a -1 goal difference which is better than it has been for some time and we have never been in danger of taking an absolute trashing.
Mitchell and Guehi are enjoying fine seasons and, prior to Christmas, Ward had looked very solid.
I understand that you have a problem with Anderson and accept he is not a Dann nor a Cahill.
While he is not a dominant old school defender he is critical to the way Vieira wants to play and he is an adept passer of the ball from the back.
There will be a mistakes made , but the key question is whether the benefits outweigh the detriments?
Insofar that our defensive record is comparatively good and that we are attempting to play constructively I would argue that the answer to that is yes.

We have conceded 13 goals from set-pieces, we are vulnerable at crosses and we look far from convincing at the back.

I welcome the constructive approach and understand the way in which Vieira wants to play but from a personal perspective I am disappointed in the way in which we defend and get a tad nervous whenever we concede a corner or a free kick in wide areas.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 02 Mar 22 10.11am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

I agree on the set piece weakness but am not sure about the solution other than trying to avoid conceding corners and free kicks.
We are not a dominant team aerially and don’t have a commanding keeper.
We surely don’t want to be in a position where we select a team on the basis of their ability to defend set pieces.
I think there has to be an acceptance there will be some downsides to the way we are endeavouring to play.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 02 Mar 22 10.15am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Just for a bit of perspective:

Middlesborough are 8th in the Championship, just 3 points ahead of Millwall and took a lacklustre Tottenham side to school last night who are now out of the cup, after extra time.

We beat 'wall in the last round, put in a lethargic and uninspired performance against Stoke, on the proverbial wet Tuesday night, and still managed to go through despite the minimal effort.

I agree entirely with many of the negative comments on here however I am reluctant to read too much into it. I've seen many a very good Palace performance, especially in recent years, which have still left us languishing around the relegation zone and non-competitive in cup competitions.

I am at this stage unwilling to contribute to any criticisms or pessimism given the status quo. We ourselves are still far from the finished article and I would rather be a (working) work-in-progress than constantly changing managers or spending masses of money on players who appear to be failed mercenaries at best, take your pick: Watford, Everton, Man U, Spurs, Newcastle etc etc.

Cheer up fellas, tis not all doom and gloom at the Palace right now! I will always harbour anxiety around impending doom, whether imagined or realistic, however feel we are a lot further from this atm then seasons past. Posted similar sentiments recently so apologies for a repeat performance if that is the opinion.

COYP

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Rainforest's Profile Rainforest Flag London England 02 Mar 22 10.19am Send a Private Message to Rainforest Add Rainforest as a friend

Originally posted by BM

Let’s not be in any doubt. That was a dreadful performance. We are so lucky to have these two superb CBs but they can’t keep holding us together when all around them is so dire. Wilf was dreadful, Mateta is clearly not up to it and the changes were woeful. What’s going on with Eddie and Eze? Why won’t the manager play them? Why isn’t Benteke getting more minutes? What was the strategy with Schlupp tonight? And of course as soon as Ward can walk he will be straight back in, which will weaken us. Worrying times.

I was at the game last night. I must agree with you on our performance. We would have no chance against better opponents if we continue to play like that. In almost every game, playing from the back with all those sideways and back passes only gives the opposition defence time to to regroup.

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 02 Mar 22 10.26am Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Our main defensive problem is that we are too slow to play out from the back and this allows our defenders to be pressed which in turns leads to mistakes and like it or not this has cost us points this season. The passing success last night was woeful at times and we seem at best to get three quarters of the way up the pitch, then run out of ideas, ending up with us pushing the ball backwards, until it reaches our keeper, then for the process to re-start all over again. I do believe that we have now become more predictable making it easier for opposition coaches to counter our one dimensional game plan. Last night we did not have one shot on target in the first half and that is statistic that is repeated week on week much too often.

 

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