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jamiemartin721  Reading 23 Feb 16 4.02pm |
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Does anyone have any figures on the number of UK citizens in the EU? Is it higher than the UK figure for EU migrants? Would they need to return in a scenario reducing EU migration to the UK. Spain supposedly has 300,286 according to Wikipedia.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 23 Feb 16 4.02pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
More than 1/3 of the council houses sold off through 'right to buy' are now owned by landlords with property protfolios. Hardly the land of home ownership! In fact home ownership is only 9% higher now than before 'right to buy'. When Atlee's government were in power, 80% of Gov spending on housing was on capital investment (building and maintainance). By 2000 85% of Gov spending on housing went on the demand side, housing benefit of which around 45% of the £23 billion housing benefit bill goes to private landlords who have driven up rents year on year because of a housing shortage.. From 2009 to 2012, rents rose by 37% In 2013 there were 5 million people on housing waiting lists in the UK. For years there has been underinvestment in housebuilding. Nice research. Now answer this. Do 350K new people a year make the housing crisis better or worse?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Feb 16 4.05pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Nice research. Now answer this. Do 350K new people a year make the housing crisis better or worse? Yes or no Yes, but if the approximately 600000 empty properties in the U.K were used, it would alleviate the problem.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Feb 16 4.09pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Nice research. Now answer this. Do 350K new people a year make the housing crisis better or worse?
Inevitably it can only make a crisis worse, by the very definition of a crisis (a bias title). Of course the presence of so many temporary migrants may very well have averted a different housing crisis, given they'll almost certainly be propping up those who have invested in property as tenants. Without that 350k its quite likely that rental and sales for rental may well have collapsed (as well as people who invested in property with a view to paying mortgages with rental tennents) That could have been a serious disaster around 2007-9 when the banking industry was 'on its knees'. Of course the down side for me, is that had it hit the skids, I'd probably have been in a great position to pick up property (given my prospects in the crash and recovery went up paradoxically).
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Feb 16 4.10pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Does anyone have any figures on the number of UK citizens in the EU? Is it higher than the UK figure for EU migrants? Would they need to return in a scenario reducing EU migration to the UK. Spain supposedly has 300,286 according to Wikipedia. Here you go Jamie. Also, [Link] has a good infographic on net migration over the last few decades.
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Attachment: | Hrolf The Ganger 23 Feb 16 4.15pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Yes, but if the approximately 600000 empty properties in the U.K were used, it would alleviate the problem. It would help counterbalance the problem caused by the 350k a year you mean. But hold on. There is no end in sight to the flood of migrants. Unless of course we leave the EU and reclaim our right to limit numbers from Europe.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 Feb 16 4.17pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Inevitably it can only make a crisis worse, by the very definition of a crisis (a bias title). Of course the presence of so many temporary migrants may very well have averted a different housing crisis, given they'll almost certainly be propping up those who have invested in property as tenants. Without that 350k its quite likely that rental and sales for rental may well have collapsed (as well as people who invested in property with a view to paying mortgages with rental tennents) That could have been a serious disaster around 2007-9 when the banking industry was 'on its knees'. Of course the down side for me, is that had it hit the skids, I'd probably have been in a great position to pick up property (given my prospects in the crash and recovery went up paradoxically).
But the storm is only just getting started.
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| Stuk Top half 23 Feb 16 4.22pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Does anyone have any figures on the number of UK citizens in the EU? Is it higher than the UK figure for EU migrants? Would they need to return in a scenario reducing EU migration to the UK. Spain supposedly has 300,286 according to Wikipedia. There's between 60 and 65 million of them here. In short, far less than there are of us in each of their countries. London is France's 6th biggest city by population. That's just London, not the entire UK.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 Feb 16 4.25pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Here you go Jamie. Also, [Link] has a good infographic on net migration over the last few decades. So in effect. Britons are leaving Britain and foreigners are moving in. Discuss
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Feb 16 4.25pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It would help counterbalance the problem caused by the 350k a year you mean. But hold on. There is no end in sight to the flood of migrants. Unless of course we leave the EU and reclaim our right to limit numbers from Europe. Yes limit numbers from Europe to allow more refugees from the middle east theatres of war that we are partly responsible for with our foreign policies. A good plan.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 Feb 16 4.38pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Yes limit numbers from Europe to allow more refugees from the middle east theatres of war that we are partly responsible for with our foreign policies. A good plan. Don't start with the Judge thing or Jamie will accuse me of trolling. I'm not the Judge . Even the Judge wasn't The Judge if you know what I mean. He was an excellent way to shut down any reasonable counter argument to left wing propaganda though. Frankly I'm glad the likes of you and and the MAZ creature exist. There has to be a counter to foaming mouthed bigotry. The problem I have is that you should be careful you don't alienate the moderates and the easily lead in the process. Meanwhile. My answer to the refugee crisis is simple. We are helping people on the ground who need it most and not encouraging people to risk their lives traveling to Europe and falling victim to criminal gangs. That is the correct policy. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Feb 2016 4.41pm)
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Feb 16 4.45pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Here you go Jamie. Also, [Link] has a good infographic on net migration over the last few decades. That looks like quite a lot if they had to come back to the UK. Isn't the UK EU population of migrants something like 600,000 or so. There is half that figure in Brits in Spain alone.
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