No you don't get it. These sort of things are meant to be brushed under the rug so as not to offend.

I don't think that is necessarily that unusual within society, that divisions defined along ethnic categories result in groups with different views to other groups in society and a 'societies norms' (which are typically biased by the majority social power groups).

If you were to say Christians, you'd expect to find a very broad group of people with many different views, some of which are quite extreme and in conflict with some norms of society as well, some of which border on or contain Christian Fundamentalism, as well as those who have an ideological association to terrorism (Britain First, is a Christian Fundamentalist movement with ties to Loyalist causes).

Usually when you look at any group of 'separatists' you'll find people who support terrorism / freedom fighters, because the history of separatism invariably involves armed struggle against the state. Plenty of people in the UK were pro-ANC or Pro-Palestinian Independence, both of which means a tacit support of terrorism / freedom fighters dependent on which side of the coin you fall.

The concern is slightly different when you look at Islamists, because the conflict tends to be focused with the UK increasingly drawn alongside a policy that has focused on Islamist groups that aren't necessarily a threat to the UK directly or to UK interests, as well as IS or Al-Qaeda - and a worrying tendency to see everything in increasingly simple terms.

There is definitely a problem in the UK with society and its Muslim communities, but that isn't solely the product of a Muslim community either. Its something we all as a society have to address, and that may well involve accepting certain aspects of Islam that we don't like, provided we are not equally subjected to them; the same as any other religion.

I think there is also a definite issue with representation in politics and the Muslim community. Arguably in the past, we've always been involved in conflicts where the 'enemy' was politically represented to some degree within society or had some political outlet (Sinn Fein for example). That 'outlet' doesn't seem to exist in the UK. There doesn't really seem to be an outlet for those sympathetic towards Muslim issues, and a means to engage in political discourse along those issues.

It seems at present we're dealing with the likes of Malcolm X and the Black Panthers, without an likes of the NACAP to provide a reasonable compromise.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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The survey results are worrying.
Over half disagree with homosexuality.
66% wouldn't inform the police if a Muslim joined a terrorist organisation.
4% (that's 40 people per 1000) sympathise with terrorists that carry out suicide bombings.

Bloke over the road from me refuses to talk to his grandson because the grandson is gay. Rest of the family are denying the boy is gay. Sad really.

He's White British though, not muslim.

What are the figures for other ethnic groups who were asked the same questions?

Edited by nickgusset (11 Apr 2016 12.49pm)

As best you could say some of those figures are in line with the views of any other member of the non-Muslim community whose views would be considered unacceptable. They're all worrying but obviously those which ultimately indicate support for extrememism are of most concern.

We know that's not the case, which is part of the problem.

We've already seen someone dismiss the figures out of hand. These people need to be convinced that there is a problem, after which they reluctantly admit it, but only after they've reassured themselves it's not racist to have identified it.