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Quote beagle at 23 Jan 2014 9.48am

Interesting one From the BBS 'questions to the board' forum - they (CpFC2010) were asked about teams around us strengthening. Here's the response:

If we are sitting around watching other teams buy players who are no better than what we have already for £5m transfer fees on £2m a year wages on 4 year contracts then that doesnt bother me.

We will always put sound business practice and the long term security of CPFC ahead of panic purchases.

We will strengthen the squad but we will not be ripped off.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm quite happy with that attitude.

So we can deduce from that they think Cameron Jerome is the equal of Long or Jelavic. I see. Honestly, no. If that is what they think then my comment about the board needing to stay out of football matters is bang on. And no, I'm not happy with an attitude that will get us relegated.


I agree that Shane Long & Jelavic are better than Jerome, but maybe not Murray and I don't think better than Chamakh. Relying on Murray is more a gamble than the players just mentioned, and I hope they're confident they'll strengthen with quality in the Chamakh/Guediora level staying below the £5mil or £4mil fee mark.

The problem they have is not having a loan space left to offer a short-term wage without a perm contract and being turned down because of the relegation/yo-yo wage clause.

The value of player is subjective and depends on how we plan to utilise him: I think Jerome is more suited to Pulis style of playing than Shane Long ...who hasn't exactly been prolific ...so I can understand the comparison. I also agree with what Browett implies that Hull paid too much for Jelavic and he would not sanction that type of a deal.

 

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Quote Lyons550 at 23 Jan 2014 10.20am

Quote sydtheeagle at 23 Jan 2014 10.03am

Quote beagle at 23 Jan 2014 9.48am

Interesting one From the BBS 'questions to the board' forum - they (CpFC2010) were asked about teams around us strengthening. Here's the response:

If we are sitting around watching other teams buy players who are no better than what we have already for £5m transfer fees on £2m a year wages on 4 year contracts then that doesnt bother me.

We will always put sound business practice and the long term security of CPFC ahead of panic purchases.

We will strengthen the squad but we will not be ripped off.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm quite happy with that attitude.

So we can deduce from that they think Cameron Jerome is the equal of Long or Jelavic. I see. Honestly, no. If that is what they think then my comment about the board needing to stay out of football matters is bang on. And no, I'm not happy with an attitude that will get us relegated.


Fair point...but would you say there was enough difference to pay the money that has been spent on these as opposed to having someone of 'similar' ability on loan? For me Long is the better out of the 3 but he's still only scored 3 goals so far this season and yet cost £7m plus wages! Too much of a risk in my opinion.


My answer Llyons is no, but we need 2010 to offer Puncheon a permanent deal, Southampton to agree to the fee, and Puncheon to accept the terms, which will include a contract similar to all the purchases already made (a drop in wages if we get relegated). Then we can ring up every top half club and search out loans. Unless all that happens, we can't.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Jan 14 10.26am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Quote Rudi Hedman at 23 Jan 2014 10.19am

I agree that Shane Long & Jelavic are better than Jerome,

What's the odds that either Jelavic or Long score against us ?


 

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Quote Rudi Hedman at 23 Jan 2014 10.25am

Quote Lyons550 at 23 Jan 2014 10.20am

Quote sydtheeagle at 23 Jan 2014 10.03am

Quote beagle at 23 Jan 2014 9.48am

Interesting one From the BBS 'questions to the board' forum - they (CpFC2010) were asked about teams around us strengthening. Here's the response:

If we are sitting around watching other teams buy players who are no better than what we have already for £5m transfer fees on £2m a year wages on 4 year contracts then that doesnt bother me.

We will always put sound business practice and the long term security of CPFC ahead of panic purchases.

We will strengthen the squad but we will not be ripped off.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm quite happy with that attitude.

So we can deduce from that they think Cameron Jerome is the equal of Long or Jelavic. I see. Honestly, no. If that is what they think then my comment about the board needing to stay out of football matters is bang on. And no, I'm not happy with an attitude that will get us relegated.


Fair point...but would you say there was enough difference to pay the money that has been spent on these as opposed to having someone of 'similar' ability on loan? For me Long is the better out of the 3 but he's still only scored 3 goals so far this season and yet cost £7m plus wages! Too much of a risk in my opinion.


My answer Llyons is no, but we need 2010 to offer Puncheon a permanent deal, Southampton to agree to the fee, and Puncheon to accept the terms, which will include a contract similar to all the purchases already made (a drop in wages if we get relegated). Then we can ring up every top half club and search out loans. Unless all that happens, we can't.


From what I heard, they have already tried that and could no agree on valuation ..so that idea is dead for now.

 

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Let's not forget we have Jack Hunt and FFS to come back. That's 2 new signings straight away.

I agree with both sides though, yes of course we wanted signings to be made on Jan 1st, and I actually expected that too. However, we have to applaud the owners for sticking to their guns and refusing to break the strict wage structure we have here to ensure it doesn't all go t!ts up financially again. It's a gamble that we all know isn't worth it.

I have faith in Parish and Co, they haven't let us down yet have they.

 

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Quote Rudi Hedman at 23 Jan 2014 10.25am

Quote Lyons550 at 23 Jan 2014 10.20am

Quote sydtheeagle at 23 Jan 2014 10.03am

Quote beagle at 23 Jan 2014 9.48am

Interesting one From the BBS 'questions to the board' forum - they (CpFC2010) were asked about teams around us strengthening. Here's the response:

If we are sitting around watching other teams buy players who are no better than what we have already for £5m transfer fees on £2m a year wages on 4 year contracts then that doesnt bother me.

We will always put sound business practice and the long term security of CPFC ahead of panic purchases.

We will strengthen the squad but we will not be ripped off.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm quite happy with that attitude.

So we can deduce from that they think Cameron Jerome is the equal of Long or Jelavic. I see. Honestly, no. If that is what they think then my comment about the board needing to stay out of football matters is bang on. And no, I'm not happy with an attitude that will get us relegated.


Fair point...but would you say there was enough difference to pay the money that has been spent on these as opposed to having someone of 'similar' ability on loan? For me Long is the better out of the 3 but he's still only scored 3 goals so far this season and yet cost £7m plus wages! Too much of a risk in my opinion.


My answer Llyons is no, but we need 2010 to offer Puncheon a permanent deal, Southampton to agree to the fee, and Puncheon to accept the terms, which will include a contract similar to all the purchases already made (a drop in wages if we get relegated). Then we can ring up every top half club and search out loans. Unless all that happens, we can't.

...Hahaha...dont start me off on the alleged merits of signing Puncheon!!!

 


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Quote Ian J at 23 Jan 2014 10.24am

Quote sueagle2012 at 23 Jan 2014 10.15am

Always important to remember that the club belongs to owners and they are the ones who have the right to decide how to spend the money.
Supporters cannot have the arrogance to make statements like "board should stay out of football matters" and " I am not happy with attitude". If you are not happy ...are you going to put your hand in your pocket and fork out their wages". Know your place.

Legally you are correct as a football club is no different to any other limited company in that the directors run it on behalf of the shareholders but even our current board have admitted that ownership of a football club gives them a moral duty towards the fans and local community as effectively they are custodians of the club as well as owners.

They are two big ifs but if we don't add to our strike force this January and if as a consequence we end up being relegated I have a feeling that not being happy with the board's attitude will be the very least of the comments that will be made


What IF we sign two strikers and a midfielder on reasonably hefty contracts, £5 mill a piece and one breaks his leg getting out of the bath, the other turns into Shefti and the third is reasonable but we still get relegated?
We've lumped out £15 on players, umpteen £'s on wages and we're in the championship pit that all agree is hell to get back out of - look at the money QPR has spent and they aint assured of getting back up. They are forunate in that they have an endless supply of money - WE DON'T.

Look at Bendtner from ths Ar$e, we nearly had him on dumbass ages and now he's long term injured, just what we'd need.

I'd far rather BUSINESSMEN that know what they are doing, with guidance from the likes of Moody et al, carry on running the club like they are rather than spending money for the sake of it.


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Quote Willo at 23 Jan 2014 10.26am

Quote Rudi Hedman at 23 Jan 2014 10.19am

I agree that Shane Long & Jelavic are better than Jerome,

What's the odds that either Jelavic or Long score against us ?



Probably the usual for the striker of the away side to 'score any time.' Seriously though, that's 2 players, so it's quite likely. If you saw Jelavic vs Norwich, he should've notched. I was right that a new striker isn't likely to make a difference signing 2 days before the match in the Prem, but 2 weeks? Probably will make his mark. Make a difference? Up to our lads to stop them.

 


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Two points:

1. I'm not remotely interested whether Browett (or any of the board) think Jelavic is no better than Jerome. But if Pulis feels he isn't then that's good enough for me. So as long as TP and not he board made the decision, I'm fine with it. But I wish Browett had said "Tony thinks..." rather than the way the OP here phrased it ("the board think...).

2. I don't know if you guys are medically aware at all, but Murray's injury was a major one. It's generally considered sensible to give it a year before returning; it's quite possible to do it in 9 months but that doesn't make it advisable. Anyway, my point is that anything we get out of Murray this season should be considered an unexpected bonus. We really should not be relying on him returning in any way.

 


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Quote paperhat at 23 Jan 2014 10.42am

Quote Ian J at 23 Jan 2014 10.24am

Quote sueagle2012 at 23 Jan 2014 10.15am

Always important to remember that the club belongs to owners and they are the ones who have the right to decide how to spend the money.
Supporters cannot have the arrogance to make statements like "board should stay out of football matters" and " I am not happy with attitude". If you are not happy ...are you going to put your hand in your pocket and fork out their wages". Know your place.

Legally you are correct as a football club is no different to any other limited company in that the directors run it on behalf of the shareholders but even our current board have admitted that ownership of a football club gives them a moral duty towards the fans and local community as effectively they are custodians of the club as well as owners.

They are two big ifs but if we don't add to our strike force this January and if as a consequence we end up being relegated I have a feeling that not being happy with the board's attitude will be the very least of the comments that will be made


What IF we sign two strikers and a midfielder on reasonably hefty contracts, £5 mill a piece and one breaks his leg getting out of the bath, the other turns into Shefti and the third is reasonable but we still get relegated?
We've lumped out £15 on players, umpteen £'s on wages and we're in the championship pit that all agree is hell to get back out of - look at the money QPR has spent and they aint assured of getting back up. They are forunate in that they have an endless supply of money - WE DON'T.

Look at Bendtner from ths Ar$e, we nearly had him on dumbass ages and now he's long term injured, just what we'd need.

I'd far rather BUSINESSMEN that know what they are doing, with guidance from the likes of Moody et al, carry on running the club like they are rather than spending money for the sake of it.

But we don't need two strikers and a midfielder - we can get by with just one decent striker so I've already slashed two thirds off your capital expenditure and wages budgets

 

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Quote sydtheeagle at 23 Jan 2014 10.03am

Quote beagle at 23 Jan 2014 9.48am

Interesting one From the BBS 'questions to the board' forum - they (CpFC2010) were asked about teams around us strengthening. Here's the response:

If we are sitting around watching other teams buy players who are no better than what we have already for £5m transfer fees on £2m a year wages on 4 year contracts then that doesnt bother me.

We will always put sound business practice and the long term security of CPFC ahead of panic purchases.

We will strengthen the squad but we will not be ripped off.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm quite happy with that attitude.

So we can deduce from that they think Cameron Jerome is the equal of Long or Jelavic. I see. Honestly, no. If that is what they think then my comment about the board needing to stay out of football matters is bang on. And no, I'm not happy with an attitude that will get us relegated.

If Long and Jelavic start banging in the goals then you may have a point.

Or they could do a 'Bent'. Who, interestingly, was going to be be our 'star signing' in the summer. Now, had I asked in the summer who everyone would prefer, Bent or Jerome, I think Bent would have been the first choice. Ask the same question now and I bet It'd be Jerome all day.

Finally, your conjecture that the board need to stay out of football matters is just that- conjecture. For all we know Browett may have asked Pullis and Moody about whether Long should be one of our targets. To which they said he's no better than what we have already.

Someone's got to be the mouthpiece, the conduit of information at Palace. I don't want to see Pullis or Moody wasting their time either constantly updating the media or spending time online answering questions. Let the people doing the actual work get on and do it, while members of the board keep up the updates.

However, if you don't like the updates, I maintain its conjecture to blame the messenger as the one one who is responsible for the implications of the content.

 


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View matthau's Profile matthau Flag South Croydon 23 Jan 14 11.05am Send a Private Message to matthau Add matthau as a friend

i agree.

one decent striker and perhaps one decent CB we'll have a fighting chance.


but then, regarding CB....

Ward back as RB and Marriappas preffered position of CB back up if needed.

and push Guarduara back in as CAM.


sorted.

 

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