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Quote sydtheeagle at 23 Jan 2014 12.49pm

is only likely to encourage false expectations, increase frustration, and encourage second-guessing.

In actual fact I cannot help but think that this would be the case if the 'Board' adopted a vow of silence !


 

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Have we signed anyone yet?

 

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Quote sydtheeagle at 23 Jan 2014 12.49pm

is only likely to encourage false expectations, increase frustration, and encourage second-guessing.

In actual fact I cannot help but think that this would be the case if the 'Board' adopted a vow of silence !


Well, I did agree they were damned if they did and damned if they didn't. But I think one way the world has changed is that the default option used to be silence, and you spoke when you had something to say. Now, the default option is start talking and grab the limelight, never mind if you have something to say or not. In my view, this is NOT a good thing.

A good barometer of this (as any journalist will confirm) is the PR industry. When I was first writing in the early 80s, Press Releases in general arrived when something had taken place or happened. Sure, the copy was exaggerated, but it was still demonstrably related to a "thing" of some sort. Nowadays, the media is deluged with PRs that aren't news at all...just noise, rubbish, the senders talking up themselves.

To me, if I own a football team in the transfer window I speak only about transfers I have concluded, when the deal is done. What possible benefit could there be in discussing something which hasn't happened, might well not ever happen, and which by putting in the public domain might even negatively impact my negotiating position? Do you really think our owners feel so beholden to or respectful of our supporters that they're keeping us in the loop out of the goodness of their hearts? If you do, good luck with that because they're just sating their egos as football club owners by playing to their audience. Personally, I can't see the wisdom in their communications strategy.


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Quote npn at 23 Jan 2014 12.15pm

Tricky one - if the board say nothing, we'd all be moaning about being kept in the dark. If they make announcements, they're media whores.

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I agree.
They are damned when they do and would be damned if they did not ! I think the engagement with supporters is to be welcomed.


I think ultimately this is true (that they are damned if they do and damned if they don't), but it's somewhat ironic. Here's why. In a number of posts recently, those who disagree with the board over our transfer policy have been criticised (often unfairly) as being a reflection of a modern age where we want everything immediately and are not prepared to wait for things to happen. It's true; in so far as a lack of patience is certainly a hallmark of the world we now live in. But it's not without irony that the same people who are lauding the board for their presumed patience and financial restraint are the same people who also applaud their engagement with supporters, which in reality is only likely to encourage false expectations, increase frustration, and encourage second-guessing.

This is not to criticise supporters or the board in any personal way. It is simply to raise the subject for discussion. My only conclusion is that for a long time (in history), the board of a football club would not have felt the need to directly update supporters on future policy (indeed, even as recently as a decade ago this was true) and I don't think it is at all clear that having a board who communicate with us through an Internet fan site and seem determined to talk in fairly granular detail on confidential subjects is a good thing.

Again, that is not to openly criticise CPFC2010...it it merely to say that I do not think it is absolutely clear that their communications strategy is sensible or desirable. And as Parish is a "media expert", I think it's quite appropriate to question him about this. I don't (personally) think it follows at all that "all noise is good noise" when it come to speaking out or that the board discussing future transfer possibilities with fans is a desirable state of affairs.

I think we need to move beyond the notion that the board are good because of the way they communicate with supporters. There isn't any evidence that at least some areas of their conversation are helping anyone and it's far from certain that discussion before the fact is preferable to a lucid and full explanation after the fact. Either way, I think this is a central point that merits discussion. I also think some fans are very lightweight and not intellectually very rigorous in their analysis; they are so flattered and impressed that the board is even speaking to them that their palpable delight blinds them to asking questions that still need to be asked.


Edited by sydtheeagle (23 Jan 2014 12.53pm)

Read my post 4 above this.

 

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Quote bubble wrap at 23 Jan 2014 1.03pm

Have we signed anyone yet?


No...must start panicking

 

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Quote beagle at 23 Jan 2014 9.48am

Interesting one From the BBS 'questions to the board' forum - they (CpFC2010) were asked about teams around us strengthening. Here's the response:

If we are sitting around watching other teams buy players who are no better than what we have already for £5m transfer fees on £2m a year wages on 4 year contracts then that doesnt bother me.

We will always put sound business practice and the long term security of CPFC ahead of panic purchases.

We will strengthen the squad but we will not be ripped off.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm quite happy with that attitude.

So we can deduce from that they think Cameron Jerome is the equal of Long or Jelavic. I see. Honestly, no. If that is what they think then my comment about the board needing to stay out of football matters is bang on. And no, I'm not happy with an attitude that will get us relegated.


Although Hull deals for Jelvic and Long were similar to the described, the player who demanded those terms from us was Scott Dann I am led to beleive. The reference to rivals signing players of that type was because it was in response to a loaded question about us falling behind other teams - but from what I was told on Saturday I can say that the exact terms SB mentioned are for Dann, so I am certain that is who he had in mind.

So putting Jelavic and Long to one side (for the record I think you have to conisder if either would be effective in the role we have for them rather than focus solely on whether they are "better" than what we have) would people advocate paying a Championship centre-back, already overpaid at Blackburn on £32,000 per week, £50k per week as well as the £5million - £6million fee being demanded?

Given that the board know the difference in revenue between the divisions better than anyone yet are still of a view they won't be held to ransom by perceived desperation to remain in the PL, is it really an attitude you are comfortable condemning?

Similarly are people not being more than a little selective with their memories? It's still relevant how far we've had to come and how close we came to not existing, no matter how tired people are of hearing it.

 


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Quote sydtheeagle at 23 Jan 2014 10.03am

Quote beagle at 23 Jan 2014 9.48am

Interesting one From the BBS 'questions to the board' forum - they (CpFC2010) were asked about teams around us strengthening. Here's the response:

If we are sitting around watching other teams buy players who are no better than what we have already for £5m transfer fees on £2m a year wages on 4 year contracts then that doesnt bother me.

We will always put sound business practice and the long term security of CPFC ahead of panic purchases.

We will strengthen the squad but we will not be ripped off.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm quite happy with that attitude.

So we can deduce from that they think Cameron Jerome is the equal of Long or Jelavic. I see. Honestly, no. If that is what they think then my comment about the board needing to stay out of football matters is bang on. And no, I'm not happy with an attitude that will get us relegated.


Although Hull deals for Jelvic and Long were similar to the described, the player who demanded those terms from us was Scott Dann I am led to beleive. The reference to rivals signing players of that type was because it was in response to a loaded question about us falling behind other teams - but from what I was told on Saturday I can say that the exact terms SB mentioned are for Dann, so I am certain that is who he had in mind.

So putting Jelavic and Long to one side (for the record I think you have to conisder if either would be effective in the role we have for them rather than focus solely on whether they are "better" than what we have) would people advocate paying a Championship centre-back, already overpaid at Blackburn on £32,000 per week, £50k per week as well as the £5million - £6million fee being demanded?

Given that the board know the difference in revenue between the divisions better than anyone yet are still of a view they won't be held to ransom by perceived desperation to remain in the PL, is it really an attitude you are comfortable condemning?

Similarly are people not being more than a little selective with their memories? It's still relevant how far we've had to come and how close we came to not existing, no matter how tired people are of hearing it.

I believe the total 'value' of the Dann deal was, with transfer and wages in the region of £15m...if anyone can hand on heart say that Scott Dann, a half decent CB is worth £15m of our money then you must be insane

We do need to punt here I agree, but not on half decent centre backs - a centre forward who might be able to hit 8-10 goals before the end of the season, as I think its pretty apparanet to even undiscovered Amazonian tribes where our priority and best chance of surviving lays, possibly


 


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Quote sydtheeagle at 23 Jan 2014 12.49pm

is only likely to encourage false expectations, increase frustration, and encourage second-guessing.

In actual fact I cannot help but think that this would be the case if the 'Board' adopted a vow of silence !


Well, I did agree they were damned if they did and damned if they didn't. But I think one way the world has changed is that the default option used to be silence, and you spoke when you had something to say. Now, the default option is start talking and grab the limelight, never mind if you have something to say or not. In my view, this is NOT a good thing.

A good barometer of this (as any journalist will confirm) is the PR industry. When I was first writing in the early 80s, Press Releases in general arrived when something had taken place or happened. Sure, the copy was exaggerated, but it was still demonstrably related to a "thing" of some sort. Nowadays, the media is deluged with PRs that aren't news at all...just noise, rubbish, the senders talking up themselves.

To me, if I own a football team in the transfer window I speak only about transfers I have concluded, when the deal is done. What possible benefit could there be in discussing something which hasn't happened, might well not ever happen, and which by putting in the public domain might even negatively impact my negotiating position? Do you really think our owners feel so beholden to or respectful of our supporters that they're keeping us in the loop out of the goodness of their hearts? If you do, good luck with that because they're just sating their egos as football club owners by playing to their audience. Personally, I can't see the wisdom in their communications strategy.


Edited by sydtheeagle (23 Jan 2014 1.09pm)


You could have stopped at the first sentence. It's pretty clear from reading football sites in general that the sense of entitlement within supporters is seemingly growing exponentially.

One of the most revealing areas is the "Questions to CPFC2010" forum on the BBS which has become a forum to bitch about every little fault with each individual's own utopian view of how their matchday should go.

So in one sense, part of me thinks it would be better just to do what they feel is best and limit interaction to simply reading opinion and acting if they feel necessary.

On the flipside, I'm much more inclined to think a significant percentage of our supporters need to shut the f*** up, grow up and stop acting like spoilt brats.

Just an opinion though.

Edited by Hambo (23 Jan 2014 1.21pm)

 


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To me, if I own a football team in the transfer window I speak only about transfers I have concluded, when the deal is done. What possible benefit could there be in discussing something which hasn't happened,

I am led to believe that Mr Browett on the BBS, says he cannot comment and that his lips are sealed so he does NOT engage in any discussion about potential transfers.

What the 'Board' HAVE done is to inform supporters that they will not be held to ransom regards fees, wages etc etc and that significant sums will NOT be expended in this 'Window'.Nothing wrong in letting supports know of their position so that any elevated expectation levels are lowered accordingly.

Some might speculate as to the motives of the Board in communicating with their fans but this is pure speculation and as such could be way off the mark.

 

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Quote Hambo at 23 Jan 2014 1.20pm

Quote sydtheeagle at 23 Jan 2014 1.07pm

Quote Willo at 23 Jan 2014 12.57pm

Quote sydtheeagle at 23 Jan 2014 12.49pm

is only likely to encourage false expectations, increase frustration, and encourage second-guessing.

In actual fact I cannot help but think that this would be the case if the 'Board' adopted a vow of silence !


Well, I did agree they were damned if they did and damned if they didn't. But I think one way the world has changed is that the default option used to be silence, and you spoke when you had something to say. Now, the default option is start talking and grab the limelight, never mind if you have something to say or not. In my view, this is NOT a good thing.

A good barometer of this (as any journalist will confirm) is the PR industry. When I was first writing in the early 80s, Press Releases in general arrived when something had taken place or happened. Sure, the copy was exaggerated, but it was still demonstrably related to a "thing" of some sort. Nowadays, the media is deluged with PRs that aren't news at all...just noise, rubbish, the senders talking up themselves.

To me, if I own a football team in the transfer window I speak only about transfers I have concluded, when the deal is done. What possible benefit could there be in discussing something which hasn't happened, might well not ever happen, and which by putting in the public domain might even negatively impact my negotiating position? Do you really think our owners feel so beholden to or respectful of our supporters that they're keeping us in the loop out of the goodness of their hearts? If you do, good luck with that because they're just sating their egos as football club owners by playing to their audience. Personally, I can't see the wisdom in their communications strategy.


Edited by sydtheeagle (23 Jan 2014 1.09pm)


You could have stopped at the first sentence. It's pretty clear from reading football sites in general that the sense of entitlement within supporters is seemingly growing exponentially.

One of the most revealing areas is the "Questions to CPFC2010" forum on the BBS which has become a forum to bitch about every little fault with each individual's own utopian view of how their matchday should go.

So in one sense, part of me thinks it would be better just to do what they feel is best and limit interaction to simply reading opinion and acting if they feel necessary.

On the flipside, I'm much more inclined to think a significant percentage of our supporters need to shut the f*** up, grow up and stop acting like spoilt brats.

Just an opinion though.

Edited by Hambo (23 Jan 2014 1.21pm)


This....

 

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Quote Willo at 23 Jan 2014 1.28pm

Quote sydtheeagle at 23 Jan 2014 1.07pm

To me, if I own a football team in the transfer window I speak only about transfers I have concluded, when the deal is done. What possible benefit could there be in discussing something which hasn't happened,

I am led to believe that Mr Browett on the BBS, says he cannot comment and that his lips are sealed so he does NOT engage in any discussion about potential transfers.

What the 'Board' HAVE done is to inform supporters that they will not be held to ransom regards fees, wages etc etc and that significant sums will NOT be expended in this 'Window'.Nothing wrong in letting supports know of their position so that any elevated expectation levels are lowered accordingly.

Some might speculate as to the motives of the Board in communicating with their fans but this is pure speculation and as such could be way off the mark.

...And this ^^^^

 

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Quote The Sash at 23 Jan 2014 1.19pm


I believe the total 'value' of the Dann deal was, with transfer and wages in the region of £15m...if anyone can hand on heart say that Scott Dann, a half decent CB is worth £15m of our money then you must be insane

We do need to punt here I agree, but not on half decent centre backs - a centre forward who might be able to hit 8-10 goals before the end of the season, as I think its pretty apparanet to even undiscovered Amazonian tribes where our priority and best chance of surviving lays, possibly



No I can't, a bullet we did well to dodge.

 

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