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Stirlingsays 12 Aug 14 11.41am
Quote Kermit8 at 12 Aug 2014 11.34am There is no actual proof but too many people have come forward with accusations of his racist behaviour when younger and with no apparent axe to grind for there not to be some substance in it. Isn't that a contradiction? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Aug 14 11.41am

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Aug 2014 11.34am

There is no actual proof but too many people have come forward with accusations of his racist behaviour when younger and with no apparent axe to grind for there not to be some substance in it.

Isn't that a contradiction?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 12 Aug 14 11.47am
Quote nickgusset at 12 Aug 2014 11.37am I think it's facile to blame immigration for lower living standards and lack of cheap housing. Successive neoliberal governments are to blame for this. More apt it is facile to ignore their significant contribution. Obviously with living standards and housing at the lower end when you add a significant increase to the population in a relatively short amount of time it is going to make those worse. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Aug 14 11.47am

Quote nickgusset at 12 Aug 2014 11.37am

I think it's facile to blame immigration for lower living standards and lack of cheap housing.
Successive neoliberal governments are to blame for this.

More apt it is facile to ignore their significant contribution.

Obviously with living standards and housing at the lower end when you add a significant increase to the population in a relatively short amount of time it is going to make those worse.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Aug 14 11.55am
Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Aug 2014 11.47am Quote nickgusset at 12 Aug 2014 11.37am I think it's facile to blame immigration for lower living standards and lack of cheap housing. Successive neoliberal governments are to blame for this. More apt it is facile to ignore their significant contribution. Obviously with living standards and housing at the lower end when you add a significant increase to the population in a relatively short amount of time it is going to make those worse. [Link] Worth a read.
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Shizzlehurst 12 Aug 14 11.55am

Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Aug 2014 11.47am

Quote nickgusset at 12 Aug 2014 11.37am

I think it's facile to blame immigration for lower living standards and lack of cheap housing.
Successive neoliberal governments are to blame for this.

More apt it is facile to ignore their significant contribution.

Obviously with living standards and housing at the lower end when you add a significant increase to the population in a relatively short amount of time it is going to make those worse.

[Link]

Worth a read.

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Kermit8 Hevon 12 Aug 14 11.57am
Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Aug 2014 11.41am Quote Kermit8 at 12 Aug 2014 11.34am There is no actual proof but too many people have come forward with accusations of his racist behaviour when younger and with no apparent axe to grind for there not to be some substance in it. Isn't that a contradiction? No. They are probably just telling it how it was if asked by journos rather than lie. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 12 Aug 14 11.57am

Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Aug 2014 11.41am

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Aug 2014 11.34am

There is no actual proof but too many people have come forward with accusations of his racist behaviour when younger and with no apparent axe to grind for there not to be some substance in it.

Isn't that a contradiction?

No. They are probably just telling it how it was if asked by journos rather than lie.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

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Stirlingsays 12 Aug 14 12.10pm
Quote nickgusset at 12 Aug 2014 11.55am [Link] Worth a read. Yup, I'd pretty much agree with that.......I don't blame the old style left for what's happened.....While I'm mostly thought of as right wing on here....Most of my problems with immigration chime in with the old left. My first loyalty is to our own bottom twenty percent. It's where I come from and I've battled to leave it all my life. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Aug 14 12.10pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 Aug 2014 11.55am

[Link]

Worth a read.

Yup, I'd pretty much agree with that.......I don't blame the old style left for what's happened.....While I'm mostly thought of as right wing on here....Most of my problems with immigration chime in with the old left.

My first loyalty is to our own bottom twenty percent. It's where I come from and I've battled to leave it all my life.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 12 Aug 14 12.12pm
Quote Kermit8 at 12 Aug 2014 11.57am Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Aug 2014 11.41am Quote Kermit8 at 12 Aug 2014 11.34am There is no actual proof but too many people have come forward with accusations of his racist behaviour when younger and with no apparent axe to grind for there not to be some substance in it. Isn't that a contradiction? No. They are probably just telling it how it was if asked by journos rather than lie. He makes you lefty-types gurgle and choke on their own self-righteousness and that alone makes him an ok guy in my book. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 12 Aug 14 12.12pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Aug 2014 11.57am

Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Aug 2014 11.41am

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Aug 2014 11.34am

There is no actual proof but too many people have come forward with accusations of his racist behaviour when younger and with no apparent axe to grind for there not to be some substance in it.

Isn't that a contradiction?

No. They are probably just telling it how it was if asked by journos rather than lie.

He makes you lefty-types gurgle and choke on their own self-righteousness and that alone makes him an ok guy in my book.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Stirlingsays 12 Aug 14 12.12pm
Quote Kermit8 at 12 Aug 2014 11.57am No. They are probably just telling it how it was if asked by journos rather than lie. You can't know that of course. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Aug 14 12.12pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Aug 2014 11.57am

No. They are probably just telling it how it was if asked by journos rather than lie.

You can't know that of course.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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ghosteagle 12 Aug 14 12.22pm
Quote nickgusset at 12 Aug 2014 11.55am Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Aug 2014 11.47am Quote nickgusset at 12 Aug 2014 11.37am I think it's facile to blame immigration for lower living standards and lack of cheap housing. Successive neoliberal governments are to blame for this. More apt it is facile to ignore their significant contribution. Obviously with living standards and housing at the lower end when you add a significant increase to the population in a relatively short amount of time it is going to make those worse. [Link] Worth a read. Interesting stuff. Have followed AAV for some time and he presents well argued cases for his opinions.
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12 Aug 14 12.22pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 Aug 2014 11.55am

Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Aug 2014 11.47am

Quote nickgusset at 12 Aug 2014 11.37am

I think it's facile to blame immigration for lower living standards and lack of cheap housing.
Successive neoliberal governments are to blame for this.

More apt it is facile to ignore their significant contribution.

Obviously with living standards and housing at the lower end when you add a significant increase to the population in a relatively short amount of time it is going to make those worse.

[Link]

Worth a read.

Interesting stuff. Have followed AAV for some time and he presents well argued cases for his opinions.

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Kermit8 Hevon 12 Aug 14 12.22pm
Quote Cucking Funt at 12 Aug 2014 12.12pm Quote Kermit8 at 12 Aug 2014 11.57am Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Aug 2014 11.41am Quote Kermit8 at 12 Aug 2014 11.34am There is no actual proof but too many people have come forward with accusations of his racist behaviour when younger and with no apparent axe to grind for there not to be some substance in it. Isn't that a contradiction? No. They are probably just telling it how it was if asked by journos rather than lie. He makes you lefty-types gurgle and choke on their own self-righteousness and that alone makes him an ok guy in my book. Same here. I do genuinely like him when I see him on TV and probably have very little common ground with him politically but if he is still a xenophobic nut job - and it appears he was aged 18 - then anything that may help to unmask him should be welcomed by all that care about our future direction. if we lurch to the far right who gains? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 12 Aug 14 12.22pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 12 Aug 2014 12.12pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Aug 2014 11.57am

Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Aug 2014 11.41am

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Aug 2014 11.34am

There is no actual proof but too many people have come forward with accusations of his racist behaviour when younger and with no apparent axe to grind for there not to be some substance in it.

Isn't that a contradiction?

No. They are probably just telling it how it was if asked by journos rather than lie.

He makes you lefty-types gurgle and choke on their own self-righteousness and that alone makes him an ok guy in my book.

Same here. I do genuinely like him when I see him on TV and probably have very little common ground with him politically but if he is still a xenophobic nut job - and it appears he was aged 18 - then anything that may help to unmask him should be welcomed by all that care about our future direction.

if we lurch to the far right who gains?

Big chest and massive boobs

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Kermit8 Hevon 12 Aug 14 12.23pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Aug 2014 12.12pm Quote Kermit8 at 12 Aug 2014 11.57am No. They are probably just telling it how it was if asked by journos rather than lie. You can't know that of course. Hitler didn't actualy murder anyone as far as I know either. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 12 Aug 14 12.23pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Aug 2014 12.12pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Aug 2014 11.57am

No. They are probably just telling it how it was if asked by journos rather than lie.

You can't know that of course.

Hitler didn't actualy murder anyone as far as I know either.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Stirlingsays 12 Aug 14 12.26pm
Quote Kermit8 at 12 Aug 2014 12.22pm if we lurch to the far right who gains? Reducing immigration from the EU isn't 'far right' though. Ukip is a protest vote...Most people use it to comment upon these matters not vote in a government. Without parties like these springing up nothing changes. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Aug 14 12.26pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Aug 2014 12.22pm

if we lurch to the far right who gains?

Reducing immigration from the EU isn't 'far right' though.

Ukip is a protest vote...Most people use it to comment upon these matters not vote in a government.

Without parties like these springing up nothing changes.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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ghosteagle 12 Aug 14 12.28pm
Quote Kermit8 at 12 Aug 2014 12.22pm Quote Cucking Funt at 12 Aug 2014 12.12pm Quote Kermit8 at 12 Aug 2014 11.57am Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Aug 2014 11.41am Quote Kermit8 at 12 Aug 2014 11.34am There is no actual proof but too many people have come forward with accusations of his racist behaviour when younger and with no apparent axe to grind for there not to be some substance in it. Isn't that a contradiction? No. They are probably just telling it how it was if asked by journos rather than lie. He makes you lefty-types gurgle and choke on their own self-righteousness and that alone makes him an ok guy in my book. Same here. I do genuinely like him when I see him on TV and probably have very little common ground with him politically but if he is still a xenophobic nut job - and it appears he was aged 18 - then anything that may help to unmask him should be welcomed by all that care about our future direction. if we lurch to the far right who gains? Doc Martens.
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12 Aug 14 12.28pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Aug 2014 12.22pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 12 Aug 2014 12.12pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Aug 2014 11.57am

Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Aug 2014 11.41am

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Aug 2014 11.34am

There is no actual proof but too many people have come forward with accusations of his racist behaviour when younger and with no apparent axe to grind for there not to be some substance in it.

Isn't that a contradiction?

No. They are probably just telling it how it was if asked by journos rather than lie.

He makes you lefty-types gurgle and choke on their own self-righteousness and that alone makes him an ok guy in my book.

if we lurch to the far right who gains?

Doc Martens.

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