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Quote Alexi_the_Eagle at 03 Sep 2014 2.06pm
Quote eaglesforward at 03 Sep 2014 12.45pm
Mr E Powell was correct we have rivers of blood in England, you cannot have a faith of other people arrive in their droves to live in peace , soon or later they will put there faith on you. At the moment Christ has lost the war, thanks to the English governments of past.Take a look at Japan did they allow this to happen to please the Muslims. I'm sure the BNP would pleased to hear your right-wing rhetoric. You mention BNP like they are a bad thing. I am a staunch member of the EDL, Our country is going down the toilet fast. Muslims are taking over areas and there will be no going back. Too many English people are more concerned abut being pc than what is happening in our own country. Call me racist or whatever you like but I love my country and want my kids and their kids to love our country. There are areas in England,that English people cannot go through fear of attack and intimidation. Our country is being raped of taxes by foreigners coming here opening shops, not paying any tax, reclaiming any vat they pay 10 times over by copying the invoices, claiming every benefits under the sun and putting nothing back into our system. Its a joke and the arty farty PC brigade defend these people so they don't get labelled with the racist tag. Defend the Muslims until they cuts someone's head off that you know.
FFS, if you're gonna be one of these nutters, at least come up with something slightly different, and not just mangled nonsense rehashing fascist rhetoric from history...
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| matt_himself Matataland 04 Sep 14 11.51pm |
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Quote Seth at 04 Sep 2014 11.30pm
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Quote Seth at 04 Sep 2014 3.25pm
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Quote Seth at 04 Sep 2014 1.32pm
tw@tt_himself has at least done me a big favour. I'd completely forgotten I have to go to the dentist to have a particularly malignant and annoying tooth removed. An apposite analogy for his presence on these boards I'd say
It isn't dignified.
The fact we both know you don't believe it just makes it deeply, almost uncomfortably, tragic. I asked you to contribute two or so posts above on the crux of the debate and you choose to come back with a pathetic and meaningless retort, tinged with insult, means you are intellectually bankrupt. Go to bed Seth. Let the men debate the issues whilst we let the women get bitchy.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Sep 14 11.52pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 04 Sep 2014 11.23pm
In my opinion, the above says nothing. You say all the Muslim community can do is be 'dismayed' by terrorism caused by people within its own ranks. That to me, is not an answer. When you come to another country, whether for a holiday, to work or on business you try and find a way of cohabiting and showing mutual respect. In my opinion, the acceptance by, and apparent lack of resistance too, the number of holiday Jihadists and acceptance by the broader Muslim community of their most violent acts does not evidence a community trying to rid itself of extremist acts before they happen. I have said this before, but convince me otherwise. With facts. Mostly though these tend to be kids born in the UK, rather than their older relatives. Kids born in the UK probably don't have the same regard for the UK their parents do. Certainly no more than any normal british person. There is an attraction in all youth towards 'rejection' of the values of their parents, and adoption of 'radical' ideas. The far right, the far left. Many of their parents would have left to avoid oppressive or brutal regimes. Their kids, born here, won't have that context. Their England is the same as mine and yours, the same thing that draws people into the BNP, UAF, the National Front, CPGB etc Radical Islam is likely the same, and some from there are drawn into extremism. Holidaying Jihadists, is quite a funny term, but realistically how much can anyone actually do to prevent people secretly absconding abroad. How does a community root out extremists. The Catholic and Protestant communities in NI and Glasgow never really managed it either. I doubt many parents were expecting their kids to turn up in Syria with an AK-47 or a big knife. It could well be a wake up call to the fact that the hidden threats of extremist islamist movements is a bigger threat to the muslim community than the wider UK communities: that it could be their sons, their daughters.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 04 Sep 14 11.57pm |
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Quote goodersgold at 04 Sep 2014 9.54pm
Quote Alexi_the_Eagle at 03 Sep 2014 9.15pm
Quote goodersgold at 03 Sep 2014 8.47pm
Quote Alexi_the_Eagle at 03 Sep 2014 2.06pm
Quote eaglesforward at 03 Sep 2014 12.45pm
Mr E Powell was correct we have rivers of blood in England, you cannot have a faith of other people arrive in their droves to live in peace , soon or later they will put there faith on you. At the moment Christ has lost the war, thanks to the English governments of past.Take a look at Japan did they allow this to happen to please the Muslims. I'm sure the BNP would pleased to hear your right-wing rhetoric. Zzzzzzz bore off . I'm neither left nor right, both are as bad as one another. So next time, engage the brain before you engage the mouth. Edited by Alexi_the_Eagle (03 Sep 2014 9.17pm)
Edited by goodersgold (04 Sep 2014 9.55pm)
Keep pioneering your groundbreaking binary deconstructionalism, and I'll keep subverting stereotypes by appreciating Marx whilst scrubbing my bollocks daily.
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| matt_himself Matataland 05 Sep 14 12.02am |
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Quote nickgusset at 04 Sep 2014 11.35pm
Ever been to ex pat enclaves such as Nerja in Andalusia? Seems like the Brits I came across their haven't bothered to learn to integrate. As for condemnation of IS by Muslims ... There was a programme on radio 4 about muslim led support groups and charities working in areas where parents are worried about their kids being sacked into the IS ideology and successfully bringing these kids back into a sense of Britishness and dissuading them from going to fight in Syria. Also, a Vatican website seems to have found quite a few Muslim organisations that condemn IS. [Link] Point 1. I am glad our kids are receiving education from a person with such good spelling and grammar as you;
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| Alexi_the_Eagle Newton-le-Willows 05 Sep 14 12.02am |
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Quote goodersgold at 04 Sep 2014 9.54pm
Quote Alexi_the_Eagle at 03 Sep 2014 9.15pm
Quote goodersgold at 03 Sep 2014 8.47pm
Quote Alexi_the_Eagle at 03 Sep 2014 2.06pm
Quote eaglesforward at 03 Sep 2014 12.45pm
Mr E Powell was correct we have rivers of blood in England, you cannot have a faith of other people arrive in their droves to live in peace , soon or later they will put there faith on you. At the moment Christ has lost the war, thanks to the English governments of past.Take a look at Japan did they allow this to happen to please the Muslims. I'm sure the BNP would pleased to hear your right-wing rhetoric. Zzzzzzz bore off . I'm neither left nor right, both are as bad as one another. So next time, engage the brain before you engage the mouth. Edited by Alexi_the_Eagle (03 Sep 2014 9.17pm)
Edited by goodersgold (04 Sep 2014 9.55pm) Charming.
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| matt_himself Matataland 05 Sep 14 12.06am |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 04 Sep 2014 11.52pm
Quote matt_himself at 04 Sep 2014 11.23pm
In my opinion, the above says nothing. You say all the Muslim community can do is be 'dismayed' by terrorism caused by people within its own ranks. That to me, is not an answer. When you come to another country, whether for a holiday, to work or on business you try and find a way of cohabiting and showing mutual respect. In my opinion, the acceptance by, and apparent lack of resistance too, the number of holiday Jihadists and acceptance by the broader Muslim community of their most violent acts does not evidence a community trying to rid itself of extremist acts before they happen. I have said this before, but convince me otherwise. With facts. Mostly though these tend to be kids born in the UK, rather than their older relatives. Kids born in the UK probably don't have the same regard for the UK their parents do. Certainly no more than any normal british person. There is an attraction in all youth towards 'rejection' of the values of their parents, and adoption of 'radical' ideas. The far right, the far left. Many of their parents would have left to avoid oppressive or brutal regimes. Their kids, born here, won't have that context. Their England is the same as mine and yours, the same thing that draws people into the BNP, UAF, the National Front, CPGB etc Radical Islam is likely the same, and some from there are drawn into extremism. Holidaying Jihadists, is quite a funny term, but realistically how much can anyone actually do to prevent people secretly absconding abroad. How does a community root out extremists. The Catholic and Protestant communities in NI and Glasgow never really managed it either. I doubt many parents were expecting their kids to turn up in Syria with an AK-47 or a big knife. It could well be a wake up call to the fact that the hidden threats of extremist islamist movements is a bigger threat to the muslim community than the wider UK communities: that it could be their sons, their daughters.
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Seth  On a pale blue dot 05 Sep 14 12.13am |
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Quote matt_himself at 04 Sep 2014 11.51pm
Quote Seth at 04 Sep 2014 11.30pm
Quote matt_himself at 04 Sep 2014 7.00pm
Quote Seth at 04 Sep 2014 3.25pm
Quote matt_himself at 04 Sep 2014 1.49pm
Quote Seth at 04 Sep 2014 1.32pm
tw@tt_himself has at least done me a big favour. I'd completely forgotten I have to go to the dentist to have a particularly malignant and annoying tooth removed. An apposite analogy for his presence on these boards I'd say
It isn't dignified.
The fact we both know you don't believe it just makes it deeply, almost uncomfortably, tragic. I asked you to contribute two or so posts above on the crux of the debate and you choose to come back with a pathetic and meaningless retort, tinged with insult, means you are intellectually bankrupt. Go to bed Seth. Let the men debate the issues whilst we let the women get bitchy.
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Kermit8  Hevon 05 Sep 14 6.38am |
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Quote matt_himself at 05 Sep 2014 12.06am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 04 Sep 2014 11.52pm
Quote matt_himself at 04 Sep 2014 11.23pm
In my opinion, the above says nothing. You say all the Muslim community can do is be 'dismayed' by terrorism caused by people within its own ranks. That to me, is not an answer. When you come to another country, whether for a holiday, to work or on business you try and find a way of cohabiting and showing mutual respect. In my opinion, the acceptance by, and apparent lack of resistance too, the number of holiday Jihadists and acceptance by the broader Muslim community of their most violent acts does not evidence a community trying to rid itself of extremist acts before they happen. I have said this before, but convince me otherwise. With facts. Mostly though these tend to be kids born in the UK, rather than their older relatives. Kids born in the UK probably don't have the same regard for the UK their parents do. Certainly no more than any normal british person. There is an attraction in all youth towards 'rejection' of the values of their parents, and adoption of 'radical' ideas. The far right, the far left. Many of their parents would have left to avoid oppressive or brutal regimes. Their kids, born here, won't have that context. Their England is the same as mine and yours, the same thing that draws people into the BNP, UAF, the National Front, CPGB etc Radical Islam is likely the same, and some from there are drawn into extremism. Holidaying Jihadists, is quite a funny term, but realistically how much can anyone actually do to prevent people secretly absconding abroad. How does a community root out extremists. The Catholic and Protestant communities in NI and Glasgow never really managed it either. I doubt many parents were expecting their kids to turn up in Syria with an AK-47 or a big knife. It could well be a wake up call to the fact that the hidden threats of extremist islamist movements is a bigger threat to the muslim community than the wider UK communities: that it could be their sons, their daughters.
The Muslim community? They are not one specific group with everything in common so do try to desist finding them - the majority - somehow culpable. It's not only crass but also shows you up as a bit of a rabble rouser and somewhat nasty. Wind-up merchant or not. Edited by Kermit8 (05 Sep 2014 6.58am)
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| matt_himself Matataland 05 Sep 14 6.57am |
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Quote Kermit8 at 05 Sep 2014 6.38am
Quote matt_himself at 05 Sep 2014 12.06am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 04 Sep 2014 11.52pm
Quote matt_himself at 04 Sep 2014 11.23pm
In my opinion, the above says nothing. You say all the Muslim community can do is be 'dismayed' by terrorism caused by people within its own ranks. That to me, is not an answer. When you come to another country, whether for a holiday, to work or on business you try and find a way of cohabiting and showing mutual respect. In my opinion, the acceptance by, and apparent lack of resistance too, the number of holiday Jihadists and acceptance by the broader Muslim community of their most violent acts does not evidence a community trying to rid itself of extremist acts before they happen. I have said this before, but convince me otherwise. With facts. Mostly though these tend to be kids born in the UK, rather than their older relatives. Kids born in the UK probably don't have the same regard for the UK their parents do. Certainly no more than any normal british person. There is an attraction in all youth towards 'rejection' of the values of their parents, and adoption of 'radical' ideas. The far right, the far left. Many of their parents would have left to avoid oppressive or brutal regimes. Their kids, born here, won't have that context. Their England is the same as mine and yours, the same thing that draws people into the BNP, UAF, the National Front, CPGB etc Radical Islam is likely the same, and some from there are drawn into extremism. Holidaying Jihadists, is quite a funny term, but realistically how much can anyone actually do to prevent people secretly absconding abroad. How does a community root out extremists. The Catholic and Protestant communities in NI and Glasgow never really managed it either. I doubt many parents were expecting their kids to turn up in Syria with an AK-47 or a big knife. It could well be a wake up call to the fact that the hidden threats of extremist islamist movements is a bigger threat to the muslim community than the wider UK communities: that it could be their sons, their daughters.
The Muslim community? They are not one specific group with everything in common so do try to desist finding them - the majority - somehow culpable. It's not only crass but also shows you as a bit of a nasty git. You read things as you want to read them Kermit, with your tilted angle towards to portraying me as a recast, nazi, whatever the flavour of the day. Once again you are twisting things for your own ends. You are quite capable of labelling all Christians as brainwashing homophobes, these are similarly the 'hard working people' who romantically describe above, yet it's alright to do that isn't it? It doesn't make you a 'nasty git', does it? Double standards and patronising, a recurring theme with you.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 05 Sep 14 7.02am |
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It's not that I mind honest bigots. At least they are sincere. That Petaliator chap, for example.
Edited by Kermit8 (05 Sep 2014 7.28am)
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| matt_himself Matataland 05 Sep 14 7.30am |
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Quote Kermit8 at 05 Sep 2014 7.02am
It's not that I mind honest bigots. At least they are sincere. That Petaliator chap, for example.
Kermit we have seen this a thousand times before. You can't back up your flimsy arguments with facts or any sort of reason and resort to labelling those opposing you as racists, homophobes 'ignorant' and now bigots. You are pathetic, dull and childish.
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