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 johnno42000  27 Aug 15 11.32am |
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This Government is responsible for these deaths.
'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more' |
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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 27 Aug 15 11.43am |
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Quote johnno42000 at 27 Aug 2015 11.32am
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| johnno42000 27 Aug 15 11.57am |
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Quote nickgusset at 27 Aug 2015 11.43am
Quote johnno42000 at 27 Aug 2015 11.32am
This Government is responsible for these deaths.
I very rarely wish ill on anyone but I do wish something bad would happen to him.
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| Stuk Top half 27 Aug 15 1.36pm |
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I'm sure they all correlate directly. They're 3 times more likely to die while on benefits to start with.
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Johnny Eagles  berlin 27 Aug 15 3.00pm |
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Quote johnno42000 at 27 Aug 2015 11.32am
This Government is responsible for these deaths.
How big was the overall population sample and how does the figure compare to the average number of deaths which would have occurred anyway? I think you have little to no evidence to make the statement you have made above. I think it can therefore be disregarded.
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| johnno42000 27 Aug 15 3.26pm |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 27 Aug 2015 3.00pm
Quote johnno42000 at 27 Aug 2015 11.32am
This Government is responsible for these deaths.
How big was the overall population sample and how does the figure compare to the average number of deaths which would have occurred anyway? I think you have little to no evidence to make the statement you have made above. I think it can therefore be disregarded. You keep sticking your head in the sand and thinking that. Why do you think the figures were released today when the 'big' new story is immigration figures? The Government are guilty. I know of at least 2 examples of people who attempted suicide after being told by ATOS they were fit for 'some' work and then not being able to handle the work.
Edited by johnno42000 (27 Aug 2015 3.28pm)
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| Johnny Eagles berlin 27 Aug 15 3.39pm |
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Quote johnno42000 at 27 Aug 2015 3.26pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 27 Aug 2015 3.00pm
Quote johnno42000 at 27 Aug 2015 11.32am
This Government is responsible for these deaths.
How big was the overall population sample and how does the figure compare to the average number of deaths which would have occurred anyway? I think you have little to no evidence to make the statement you have made above. I think it can therefore be disregarded. You keep sticking your head in the sand and thinking that. Why do you think the figures were released today when the 'big' new story is immigration figures? The Government are guilty. I know of at least 2 examples of people who attempted suicide after being told by ATOS they were fit for 'some' work and then not being able to handle the work. I didn't say anything about the government wanting to bury the figures. The British government is to all intents and purposes nowadays just a massive PR organisation. It is incredibly sensitive to anything which might 'play badly' in the media. They are guilty of trying to bury negative press. That doesn't make them killers though. I'm not defending ATOS. By all means disagree with the policy. I'm just pointing out that saying the government is "responsible" for 2,500 deaths is massively over-egging the criticism.
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| The Old Glazier Woodside SE25 5DS 27 Aug 15 3.53pm |
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What has all this rubbish got to do with CPFC.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 Aug 15 4.05pm |
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Quote The Old Glazier at 27 Aug 2015 3.53pm
What has all this rubbish got to do with CPFC.
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| Stuk Top half 27 Aug 15 4.05pm |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 27 Aug 2015 3.39pm
Quote johnno42000 at 27 Aug 2015 3.26pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 27 Aug 2015 3.00pm
Quote johnno42000 at 27 Aug 2015 11.32am
This Government is responsible for these deaths.
How big was the overall population sample and how does the figure compare to the average number of deaths which would have occurred anyway? I think you have little to no evidence to make the statement you have made above. I think it can therefore be disregarded. You keep sticking your head in the sand and thinking that. Why do you think the figures were released today when the 'big' new story is immigration figures? The Government are guilty. I know of at least 2 examples of people who attempted suicide after being told by ATOS they were fit for 'some' work and then not being able to handle the work. I didn't say anything about the government wanting to bury the figures. The British government is to all intents and purposes nowadays just a massive PR organisation. It is incredibly sensitive to anything which might 'play badly' in the media. They are guilty of trying to bury negative press. That doesn't make them killers though. I'm not defending ATOS. By all means disagree with the policy. I'm just pointing out that saying the government is "responsible" for 2,500 deaths is massively over-egging the criticism.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 Aug 15 4.11pm |
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It'd be foolish to say that all the deaths were due to being forced back into work, but I'd wager that a fair few are.
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| johnno42000 27 Aug 15 4.12pm |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 27 Aug 2015 3.39pm
Quote johnno42000 at 27 Aug 2015 3.26pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 27 Aug 2015 3.00pm
Quote johnno42000 at 27 Aug 2015 11.32am
This Government is responsible for these deaths.
How big was the overall population sample and how does the figure compare to the average number of deaths which would have occurred anyway? I think you have little to no evidence to make the statement you have made above. I think it can therefore be disregarded. You keep sticking your head in the sand and thinking that. Why do you think the figures were released today when the 'big' new story is immigration figures? The Government are guilty. I know of at least 2 examples of people who attempted suicide after being told by ATOS they were fit for 'some' work and then not being able to handle the work. I didn't say anything about the government wanting to bury the figures. The British government is to all intents and purposes nowadays just a massive PR organisation. It is incredibly sensitive to anything which might 'play badly' in the media. They are guilty of trying to bury negative press. That doesn't make them killers though. I'm not defending ATOS. By all means disagree with the policy. I'm just pointing out that saying the government is "responsible" for 2,500 deaths is massively over-egging the criticism. If the policy hadn't been brought in by Labour (who are just as guilty in my opinion), and then carried on by the Tories, then I have no doubt that many, if not all of these people would be alive. To me that makes them (and Labour) responsible for the deaths. It is a ridiculous policy where you have one group of 'professionals' in ATOS (and whatever the new lot are) basically saying that GP's are incompetent and wrong about their diagnosis and recommended treatment of their patients. The certificate that is in use allows for a GP to state that the person is fit to do work of any kind. If they decide that their patient isn't then that should be the end of the matter.
Edited by johnno42000 (27 Aug 2015 4.14pm)
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