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Quote Johnny Eagles at 03 Apr 2015 2.46pm
My two pence worth: Bennett - SOOO nervous at the start! Can't take her eurocommunist nonsense seriously so can't comment without strong prejudice on what she said. Obviously totally unelectable though, the Greens need to get rid asap Farage - concise and clear, heard it all before though. He certainly knows which voters he's going for. Enjoyed the HIV stuff especially the over-pious replies, say what you like about Farage, he's not scared of dangerous ground Clegg - almost made me want to vote Lib Dem! So electable, if he'd chosen Tories or Labour he'd be PM Wee Jimmy Sturgeon - did very well and will be the biggest winner on the night, but she doesn't fool me for a minute, behind that reasonable progressive facade is a nutjob marxist ideologue who'd kill every firstborn English child if it got her lot what they want Cameron - tediously on message, it was about damage limitation for him, SMART move wriggling out of all the other debates, when they started taking pot shots at each other instead of lumps out of him he must have been grinning inwardly. How is he going to deliver the promise to send unemployed EU nationals home?! Wood - would probably smash it, mmm lovely Welsh voice (what did she actually say again?) Miliband - bit pious in the opening (too many rehearsals?), did much better later, loved how he chucked "hedge funds" in there as a random bogeyman. "There you go again" - direct plagiarism from Ronald Reagan!! did well on immigration. general comments: 1. why do people mythologise about and "love" the NHS?! It's beyond me. It's an insurance-based healthcare system not an effing football team! The way they go on, you'd think Britain was the only country in the world with hospitals!! 2. BORE OFF YOUNG PEOPLE. Stop effing moaning, you don't know you're alive. My mum had an outdoor toilet, a tin bath once a week and worked by candlelight during the 3 day week. Stop tweeting hashtags and go and make someting of yourselves! Especially the idiot hippy who stood up and shouted. Moron. Quite liked the host. What I'd give for her to sas "thank you" (meaning 'shut up') at me in that posh voice
Edited by Johnny Eagles (03 Apr 2015 2.50pm)
I was brought up on a council estate, but worked hard at school to get 2 A levels and a place at Uni but my old man made it nigh impossible to go so I started work in 1972 as an 18 year old. I worked during the 3 day week and have endured mortgage interest rates at 15%+ Nothing has been handed to me, I've always worked and supported myself and proud never to have received one penny of benefits.
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| imbored UK 03 Apr 15 6.05pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 03 Apr 2015 4.37pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 03 Apr 2015 2.46pm
My two pence worth: Bennett - SOOO nervous at the start! Can't take her eurocommunist nonsense seriously so can't comment without strong prejudice on what she said. Obviously totally unelectable though, the Greens need to get rid asap Farage - concise and clear, heard it all before though. He certainly knows which voters he's going for. Enjoyed the HIV stuff especially the over-pious replies, say what you like about Farage, he's not scared of dangerous ground Clegg - almost made me want to vote Lib Dem! So electable, if he'd chosen Tories or Labour he'd be PM Wee Jimmy Sturgeon - did very well and will be the biggest winner on the night, but she doesn't fool me for a minute, behind that reasonable progressive facade is a nutjob marxist ideologue who'd kill every firstborn English child if it got her lot what they want Cameron - tediously on message, it was about damage limitation for him, SMART move wriggling out of all the other debates, when they started taking pot shots at each other instead of lumps out of him he must have been grinning inwardly. How is he going to deliver the promise to send unemployed EU nationals home?! Wood - would probably smash it, mmm lovely Welsh voice (what did she actually say again?) Miliband - bit pious in the opening (too many rehearsals?), did much better later, loved how he chucked "hedge funds" in there as a random bogeyman. "There you go again" - direct plagiarism from Ronald Reagan!! did well on immigration. general comments: 1. why do people mythologise about and "love" the NHS?! It's beyond me. It's an insurance-based healthcare system not an effing football team! The way they go on, you'd think Britain was the only country in the world with hospitals!! 2. BORE OFF YOUNG PEOPLE. Stop effing moaning, you don't know you're alive. My mum had an outdoor toilet, a tin bath once a week and worked by candlelight during the 3 day week. Stop tweeting hashtags and go and make someting of yourselves! Especially the idiot hippy who stood up and shouted. Moron. Quite liked the host. What I'd give for her to sas "thank you" (meaning 'shut up') at me in that posh voice
Edited by Johnny Eagles (03 Apr 2015 2.50pm)
I was brought up on a council estate, but worked hard at school to get 2 A levels and a place at Uni but my old man made it nigh impossible to go so I started work in 1972 as an 18 year old. I worked during the 3 day week and have endured mortgage interest rates at 15%+ Nothing has been handed to me, I've always worked and supported myself and proud never to have received one penny of benefits.
I commend your work ethic, but why are we assuming that most young people moan about their lot and don't work hard? And that Heckler the previous poster is moaning about was 33, which isn't all that young really Edited by imbored (03 Apr 2015 6.05pm)
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. Johnny Eagles  berlin 03 Apr 15 6.37pm |
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The heckler was still a moron though. The moderator told her to shut it and she carried on! I hope they slung her out. And it's not an "assumption" about "YOUNG PEOPLE", the question asked was basically, "poor me, life is so hard, I have to pay for uni and can't afford a house, what's the government going to give me?" Obviously a generalisation but you hear it a lot. We have to tax pensioners' assets so "YOUNG PEOPLE" gave an easier life. Get knotted! Their lives are WAY easier than pensioners had it at their age. Stop moaning, make the best of it and stop expecting the government to solve all your problems!
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| matt_himself Matataland 03 Apr 15 6.44pm |
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Quote serial thriller at 03 Apr 2015 12.09pm
Quote nickgusset at 03 Apr 2015 12.06pm
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Quote nickgusset at 03 Apr 2015 11.32am
Thank goodness Nigel was there to warn us all about all those foreigners with aids coming over here.
Oh thankyou Nigel for saving us! "Swoon"
It makes perfect sense. The left, of all hues, is intellectually and spiritually led by a comparatively rich & educated middle class clique. Miliband has two f***ing kitchens! The SWP and the Greens are middle class intellectuals playing Che Guevara. They have alienated the working class and detest the under class. The snobbery the left, of all hues, has towards these people, despite the the fact they are the marginalised groups these people claim to represent, has driven a wedge between the two. Nigel is getting support from the working class and he underclass. He is able to represent them and his message is respected by these people. All the left can do is sling mud and claim Nigel is racist, bigoted and beyond contempt. But the left cannot offer an alternative who resonates with these people. I am sure the response will be 'Lolz'. However the lefties in here know that I what I am saying is true and are privately wringing their hands and despairing that no one on their side can articulate an agenda and whose message resonates with the working and underclasses in a manner Nigel does.
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| matt_himself Matataland 03 Apr 15 6.47pm |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 03 Apr 2015 2.46pm
My two pence worth: Bennett - SOOO nervous at the start! Can't take her eurocommunist nonsense seriously so can't comment without strong prejudice on what she said. Obviously totally unelectable though, the Greens need to get rid asap Farage - concise and clear, heard it all before though. He certainly knows which voters he's going for. Enjoyed the HIV stuff especially the over-pious replies, say what you like about Farage, he's not scared of dangerous ground Clegg - almost made me want to vote Lib Dem! So electable, if he'd chosen Tories or Labour he'd be PM Wee Jimmy Sturgeon - did very well and will be the biggest winner on the night, but she doesn't fool me for a minute, behind that reasonable progressive facade is a nutjob marxist ideologue who'd kill every firstborn English child if it got her lot what they want Cameron - tediously on message, it was about damage limitation for him, SMART move wriggling out of all the other debates, when they started taking pot shots at each other instead of lumps out of him he must have been grinning inwardly. How is he going to deliver the promise to send unemployed EU nationals home?! Wood - would probably smash it, mmm lovely Welsh voice (what did she actually say again?) Miliband - bit pious in the opening (too many rehearsals?), did much better later, loved how he chucked "hedge funds" in there as a random bogeyman. "There you go again" - direct plagiarism from Ronald Reagan!! did well on immigration. general comments: 1. why do people mythologise about and "love" the NHS?! It's beyond me. It's an insurance-based healthcare system not an effing football team! The way they go on, you'd think Britain was the only country in the world with hospitals!! 2. BORE OFF YOUNG PEOPLE. Stop effing moaning, you don't know you're alive. My mum had an outdoor toilet, a tin bath once a week and worked by candlelight during the 3 day week. Stop tweeting hashtags and go and make someting of yourselves! Especially the idiot hippy who stood up and shouted. Moron. Quite liked the host. What I'd give for her to sas "thank you" (meaning 'shut up') at me in that posh voice
Edited by Johnny Eagles (03 Apr 2015 2.50pm) There are two things we are not allowed to discuss in this country because it is deemed un PC - immigration and the NHS. Who has the balls to address these unpopular issues with frankness and honesty? It ain't Miliband or Cameron.
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| imbored UK 03 Apr 15 6.51pm |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 03 Apr 2015 6.37pm
The heckler was still a moron though. The moderator told her to shut it and she carried on! I hope they slung her out. And it's not an "assumption" about "YOUNG PEOPLE", the question asked was basically, "poor me, life is so hard, I have to pay for uni and can't afford a house, what's the government going to give me?" Obviously a generalisation but you hear it a lot. We have to tax pensioners' assets so "YOUNG PEOPLE" gave an easier life. Get knotted! Their lives are WAY easier than pensioners had it at their age. Stop moaning, make the best of it and stop expecting the government to solve all your problems! I agree about the heckler. She was an attention seeker looking for the limelight rather than someone genuinely interested in the issues. As for the question, that's one young person's view in the audience. We could say that it's indicative of young people, but then uni fees did rise by an incredible amount in recent history so it stands to reason that some will moan about that. Plus it can be very hard for young people to find employment and get on the housing ladder. Certainly harder than it used to be due to the housing shortage and prices. All demographics moan about something or other, young , old, you in your post Edited by imbored (03 Apr 2015 6.52pm)
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. When they do complain politicians certainly listen to the elderly over the young and throw them more bones, on account that they're more likely to vote and a significantly larger demographic.| Mapletree Croydon 03 Apr 15 6.58pm |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 03 Apr 2015 6.37pm
The heckler was still a moron though. The moderator told her to shut it and she carried on! I hope they slung her out. And it's not an "assumption" about "YOUNG PEOPLE", the question asked was basically, "poor me, life is so hard, I have to pay for uni and can't afford a house, what's the government going to give me?" Obviously a generalisation but you hear it a lot. We have to tax pensioners' assets so "YOUNG PEOPLE" gave an easier life. Get knotted! Their lives are WAY easier than pensioners had it at their age. Stop moaning, make the best of it and stop expecting the government to solve all your problems!
The generation that has just become pensioners did really well for themselves. They had free education, MIRAS, cheap houses to buy with a proportionately larger housing stock and, most importantly, final salary pension schemes. That will never come again. Of course pensioners' income should be taxed, why wouldn't it be? And, in addition, it was never actually fully paid for by them because the miserable old gits are living far longer than anyone could have guessed. Sure they didn't have some of the material stuff when they were younger. But I don't believe they worked harder than the current generation, yet they will be far wealthier in their retirement than the young of today could ever dream of. They are sitting on the housing stock, bunging up the works. And when they release it they will have a huge windfall out of all proportion to what they worked for. And they will carry on drawing their final salary pension for 40 or 50 years. So for every day they worked they get two days paid during their lifetime. I think the young of today have every right to moan that they are lumbered with the enormous debts of under-funded pensions AND are stuffed with huge housing costs if they live in London.
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| Johnny Eagles berlin 03 Apr 15 7.10pm |
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Alright, we do all like a moan and politics often amounts to just different interest groups moaning. But I've thought about this a lot - there was an excellent radio 4 documentary about it a while ago - and I just don't accept that things are so bad or that "YOUNG PEOPLE" are so hard done by that it warrants specific policies or is a key general election. Yes, there are problems (eg, housing and student debt) but that's life. My parents had problems too (eg, the 3 day week, IMF bailouts, growing up in a slum) and so did my grandparents did too (eg, the great depression and a world war). You take the rough with the smooth. There's no human right to a university education or home ownership. The opportunities afforded today by cheap travel, the internet, better healthcare and new technology mean "YOUNG PEOPLE" are going to live longer, healthier and in many ways more fulfilling lives. Going after pensioners because they've got something you want is divisive and frankly I find it pitiful.
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| imbored UK 03 Apr 15 7.13pm |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 03 Apr 2015 7.10pm
Alright we all like a moan and politics is a lot of different interest groups moaning. But I've thought about this a lot - there was an excellent radio 4 documentary about it a while ago - and I just don't accept that things are so bad or that "YOUNG PEOPLE" are so hard done by that they need specific policy issues at a geeral election. Yes there are problems (housing, student debt) but that's life. My parents had problems (3 day week and slums) and my grandparents did too (depression, war). There's no human right to a university education or home ownership. The opportunities afforded by cheap travel, the internet, healthcare and technology mean they're going to live longer and have healthier lives. Going after pensioners because they've got something you want is divisive and frankly I find it pitiful. A certain amount of people in all demographics moan and think they're hard done by but generally get on with things anyway. They always have. It's never in the demographic the person observing this supposed phenomenon is in though. Funny that! Edited by imbored (03 Apr 2015 7.32pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 03 Apr 15 7.18pm |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 03 Apr 2015 7.10pm
Alright, we do all like a moan and politics often amounts to just different interest groups moaning. But I've thought about this a lot - there was an excellent radio 4 documentary about it a while ago - and I just don't accept that things are so bad or that "YOUNG PEOPLE" are so hard done by that it warrants specific policies or is a key general election. Yes, there are problems (eg, housing and student debt) but that's life. My parents had problems too (eg, the 3 day week, IMF bailouts, growing up in a slum) and so did my grandparents did too (eg, the great depression and a world war). You take the rough with the smooth. There's no human right to a university education or home ownership. The opportunities afforded today by cheap travel, the internet, better healthcare and new technology mean "YOUNG PEOPLE" are going to live longer, healthier and in many ways more fulfilling lives. Going after pensioners because they've got something you want is divisive and frankly I find it pitiful.
I'm not having a pop at pensioners. I am simply saying that there is in no way a level playing field for this generation. They don't get the benefits of the older generation and also have an overhang of debt created by them.
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