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Hoof Hearted 26 Mar 16 11.04am

Originally posted by nickgusset

The Tories had their worst week for a long long time.

It might have been fair to assume that the mainstream press might actually begin to question David Cameron's leadership, but the mainstream media narrative was quickly set that Jeremy Corbyn was the real failure of the week for apparently not attacking the Tories.

People are now spouting this feeble narrative as if the thoughts were their own, rather than some absolute drivel they'd rote learned from the right-wing press and mindlessly regurgitated as if it was their own opinion.

However, if people actually listened to some of the responses from Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell and Angela Eagle this week they'd have heard strong criticisms of the Tories that the likes of Ed Miliband and Ed Balls never managed to deliver.

People switched off listening to the loony left years ago... probably before Miliband gained power... Brown as PM was probably the last straw on Labour's credibility.

So at present they would rather turn the TV off rather than listen to "Labour's Last of the Summer Wine" leading lights. The three you mention are a joke... Compo, Clegg and Norah Batty! They had an open goal this week and failed to score

Without any reference to a right wing paper, but going on the internet and typing in yougovpoll I was able to see the state of Labour's challenge and was dismayed at how close polling was. I expected Labour to have a 10% lead possibly more. The Sun, Daily Mail or anyone else didn't prompt me to look - I wasn't galvanised into action by any newspaper narrative.

As I keep saying, but you never take on board, Corbyn and his cronies are a turn off for normal voters. They appeal to you and other politically motivated ideologists, but Corbyn and his team will not break through to mainstream popularity.

It really is like you and other Union obsessed bolshies are behaving like the people in The King and his new clothes.... except Corbyn's clothes are not new. At least Dianne Abbot has seen him in the altogether.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 26 Mar 16 11.06am

Originally posted by matt_himself

Shouldn't you step down if you don't teach anymore?

Unless of course you are attempting some classical entryist tactics that Trots have been doing for years to subvert the intended purpose of an organisation for attempted political gain.

I offered to, but the branch asked me to continue in my role. I still actively campaign.

What might surprise you, is that the delegates at this conference care about childrens education in this country. That is what we are fighting for.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 26 Mar 16 11.07am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

People switched off listening to the loony left years ago... probably before Miliband gained power... Brown as PM was probably the last straw on Labour's credibility.

So at present they would rather turn the TV off rather than listen to "Labour's Last of the Summer Wine" leading lights. The three you mention are a joke... Compo, Clegg and Norah Batty! They had an open goal this week and failed to score

Without any reference to a right wing paper, but going on the internet and typing in yougovpoll I was able to see the state of Labour's challenge and was dismayed at how close polling was. I expected Labour to have a 10% lead possibly more. The Sun, Daily Mail or anyone else didn't prompt me to look - I wasn't galvanised into action by any newspaper narrative.

As I keep saying, but you never take on board, Corbyn and his cronies are a turn off for normal voters. They appeal to you and other politically motivated ideologists, but Corbyn and his team will not break through to mainstream popularity.

It really is like you and other Union obsessed bolshies are behaving like the people in The King and his new clothes.... except Corbyn's clothes are not new. At least Dianne Abbot has seen him in the altogether.

If you don't listen, how can you argue against?

 

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Hoof Hearted 26 Mar 16 11.18am

Originally posted by nickgusset

If you don't listen, how can you argue against?

I'm sure you're aware of the little boy who cried wolf?

He caused his own problems and people didn't listen to him anymore.

Labour have gone too far with most people with this lurch to the left with Corbyn's appointment - he could talk till he's blue in the face and his speeches would be white noise.

I've given you the heads up... you carry on believing.... I can't believe how ridiculously stubborn you are to wake up and smell the coffee, but it's good news for the right and long may it continue!

 

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View Bert the Head's Profile Bert the Head Flag Epsom 29 Mar 16 12.05am Send a Private Message to Bert the Head Add Bert the Head as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

I'm sure you're aware of the little boy who cried wolf?

He caused his own problems and people didn't listen to him anymore.

Labour have gone too far with most people with this lurch to the left with Corbyn's appointment - he could talk till he's blue in the face and his speeches would be white noise.

I've given you the heads up... you carry on believing.... I can't believe how ridiculously stubborn you are to wake up and smell the coffee, but it's good news for the right and long may it continue!


When you say Labour have lurched to the left. I'd be interested to know what are the policies he has adopted that are not supported - according to opinion polls - by most people (trident aside)?

Support for re-nationalising the railways has cross-party support - even from Tory voters (60%-20%)

There's a public appetite for a 75% top rate of tax on incomes over £1m (56% - 31%)

Two thirds of Brits want to see an international convention on banning nuclear weapons (64% - 21%)

Six out of ten people want to see rents controls on landlords (59%-6.8%)

The public support a mandatory living wage (60% - 31%)
Jeremy Corbyn wants to cut tuition fees and so does the public (49% to 31%)

The public were on the same side as Jeremy Corbyn in Iraq War debate 43 to 37% (but it’s hardened since the invasion so much for th Daily Mail condemning the millions of people who marched against the “war as willing idiots” and are now cowardly pining the blaming it all on Tony Blair while they went AWOL from their supposed post of holding the government to account)

The public were also in sync with Corbyn when it came to bombing Syria (60%)

The press are against Corbyn and they (or rather the fabulously rich absentee landlords who own the press) are in control of the agenda. But when people are asked about issues, Corbyn is on the pulse.


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View Lombardos barber's Profile Lombardos barber Flag 29 Mar 16 8.19am Send a Private Message to Lombardos barber Add Lombardos barber as a friend

Originally posted by Bert the Head


When you say Labour have lurched to the left. I'd be interested to know what are the policies he has adopted that are not supported - according to opinion polls - by most people (trident aside)?

Support for re-nationalising the railways has cross-party support - even from Tory voters (60%-20%)

There's a public appetite for a 75% top rate of tax on incomes over £1m (56% - 31%)

Two thirds of Brits want to see an international convention on banning nuclear weapons (64% - 21%)

Six out of ten people want to see rents controls on landlords (59%-6.8%)

The public support a mandatory living wage (60% - 31%)
Jeremy Corbyn wants to cut tuition fees and so does the public (49% to 31%)

The public were on the same side as Jeremy Corbyn in Iraq War debate 43 to 37% (but it’s hardened since the invasion so much for th Daily Mail condemning the millions of people who marched against the “war as willing idiots” and are now cowardly pining the blaming it all on Tony Blair while they went AWOL from their supposed post of holding the government to account)

The public were also in sync with Corbyn when it came to bombing Syria (60%)

The press are against Corbyn and they (or rather the fabulously rich absentee landlords who own the press) are in control of the agenda. But when people are asked about issues, Corbyn is on the pulse.


Edited by Bert the Head (29 Mar 2016 12.06am)

Edited by Bert the Head (29 Mar 2016 12.27am)

It's simpler than that.

People are fearful of Socialism. It has never worked anywhere. Ever.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 29 Mar 16 9.36am

Originally posted by Lombardos barber

It's simpler than that.

People are fearful of Socialism. It has never worked anywhere. Ever.

That's not entirely true though, because it eliminates the concept of socialism as a means of critical analysis of capitalism. Socialism isn't Communism it comes in many flavours.

Take for example trade unions and the labour party in the 20th century, which achieved monumental social changes within the UK, in employment law, civil rights and policy changes in government. When you look at what Goldman's Anarchist movement were campaigning for (votes for women, gender and sexual rights, workers rights, housing reforms - It could very well be argued that the 20th century saw massive improvement from the influences of socialism.

Of course the economic giant of the 21st century is of course China, arguably a very successful if deplorable country. Its not my kind of socialism, by a long way, but its been remarkably successful.

Totalitarianism, such as Soviet Communism, sure, a failure, but then capitalism is hardly working in the third world.

Incidentally, raw capitalism doesn't work either. Any ideological system to work, must be tempered by pragmatism and represent the freedom of the people.

Personally, I think socialism and capitalism are too closely wedded to actually be successful long term without the other being utilised as a means of tempering the system. And any system to truly be successful must represent the people, not the will of an elite.

 


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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Matataland 12 Apr 16 7.44pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Oh dear Jezza:

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Shall we have a protest outside his office? However instead of it comprising of a bunch of 'virtue signallers' being self righteous, we should take M&S hampers, wear sports jackets and bring a few nice bottles of Burgundy.

 


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Catfish Flag Burgess Hill 12 Apr 16 8.31pm

I think Corbyn has actually done quite well of late, and I don't say that as a fan. Where he has succeeded is by looking serious and plausible on the news snippets he gets. That is really all that is required. The vast majority of voters go by overall impression and he has managed to avoid looking and sounding eccentric.
This is bolstered by the very effective use of social media by Labour - which the Tories don't even seem to have heard of. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Labour do better than expected in the local elections. It would be quite entertaining to see Tory bowels chilled at the prospect of a seriously left wing government. Interesting times.

 


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View Sportyteacher's Profile Sportyteacher Flag London 13 Apr 16 7.03am Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

Originally posted by Catfish

I think Corbyn has actually done quite well of late, and I don't say that as a fan. Where he has succeeded is by looking serious and plausible on the news snippets he gets. That is really all that is required. The vast majority of voters go by overall impression and he has managed to avoid looking and sounding eccentric.
This is bolstered by the very effective use of social media by Labour - which the Tories don't even seem to have heard of. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Labour do better than expected in the local elections. It would be quite entertaining to see Tory bowels chilled at the prospect of a seriously left wing government. Interesting times.

Agreeing with you, Catfish! Labour is in no way as divided as The Conservatives who continue to transform dramas into crises.

 

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Hoof Hearted 13 Apr 16 10.48am

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If Corbyn is so great (and the future... LOL)
Why is Labour struggling to convince the greater voting public?

The title of the link is "Labour has never polled as badly at this point after election since Second World War"

Also Labour has been virtually wiped out in Scotland - it used to be Labour's heartland?

Why isn't Corbyn making more of an impact?

Social Media isn't the answer... unless Jezza intends to get down with the kids and team up with Ed Sheeran and Jake Bugg on a hard hitting choon.

 

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View Sportyteacher's Profile Sportyteacher Flag London 13 Apr 16 2.56pm Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

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If Corbyn is so great (and the future... LOL)
Why is Labour struggling to convince the greater voting public?

The title of the link is "Labour has never polled as badly at this point after election since Second World War"

Also Labour has been virtually wiped out in Scotland - it used to be Labour's heartland?

Why isn't Corbyn making more of an impact?

Social Media isn't the answer... unless Jezza intends to get down with the kids and team up with Ed Sheeran and Jake Bugg on a hard hitting choon.

Have you ever considered for a start that much of the press media is operated by Tory press barons with a distinctive Conservative Party slant over the other political parties? It is a fact that voting behaviour is influenced firstly by family tradition and then by press influence.

Secondly, The Conservatives are likewise non-existent within Scotland with the same number of seats as Labour. = 1 each

Labour is also ahead in various polls whilst The Conservatives are ahead in others - it all depends what you CHOOSE to read and report upon

Finally, let's just see how Labour fairs within forthcoming Mayoral & Council Elections. (Oh, I should add that Labour is ahead in Mayoral Poll)

 

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