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TheExpatEagle 02 Sep 17 12.05pm
Originally posted by Palace 1979 Ok fair point although football in the 1950's was a complete different ball game to now when it comes to funding etc. I shall rephrase my comment and happily state that I went to my first match in 1979 and in all my time Parrish is by far the best we have had. I would also think there are many bigger clubs in the sh1t who would have loved a chairman like him. Nobody else has done so I will, it was 1969 when we got promoted to the top flight for the first time. We lived on Park Road at the time though I wasn't born until a year later. That aside I would disagree that Parish is the best chairman we've had in my time but it all depends what we are judging him by. Money? Success? Stature? Arguably the 89-93 period would trump Parish on all 3 had the money been the same. Pick a film, any major film and they roll on about how successful it is. All based on money not ticket sales. And as we know cinema tickets are more today than before. So Parish's success is being viewed through concave glass though nothing can take away that we are in the top flight for a 5th year, which is a record for us. But remember 2 years ago when he was sprouting on about us being in the most successful period ever having survived more than one season in the PL? Until he kept getting pulled up over the fact football wasn't invented in 1992! Some people believe the hype, some don't.
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02 Sep 17 12.05pm

Originally posted by Palace 1979

Ok fair point although football in the 1950's was a complete different ball game to now when it comes to funding etc.

I shall rephrase my comment and happily state that I went to my first match in 1979 and in all my time Parrish is by far the best we have had.

I would also think there are many bigger clubs in the sh1t who would have loved a chairman like him.

Nobody else has done so I will, it was 1969 when we got promoted to the top flight for the first time. We lived on Park Road at the time though I wasn't born until a year later.

That aside I would disagree that Parish is the best chairman we've had in my time but it all depends what we are judging him by.

Money? Success? Stature?

Arguably the 89-93 period would trump Parish on all 3 had the money been the same.

Pick a film, any major film and they roll on about how successful it is. All based on money not ticket sales. And as we know cinema tickets are more today than before.

So Parish's success is being viewed through concave glass though nothing can take away that we are in the top flight for a 5th year, which is a record for us.

But remember 2 years ago when he was sprouting on about us being in the most successful period ever having survived more than one season in the PL?

Until he kept getting pulled up over the fact football wasn't invented in 1992!

Some people believe the hype, some don't.

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TheExpatEagle 02 Sep 17 12.06pm
Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews My thoughts are he is doing what he thinks best for the club. He didn't have to take this on after the Simon Jordan debacle. Considering what he is trying to compete with as in the Man Cities of this world, he is doing a great job. Would the people doubting this rather have another Ron Noades or Simon Jordan??? Don't believe that b/s about him being a reluctant owner. He tried to buy the club 12 months before it went in to administration.
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TheExpatEagle

02 Sep 17 12.06pm

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

My thoughts are he is doing what he thinks best for the club. He didn't have to take this on after the Simon Jordan debacle.

Considering what he is trying to compete with as in the Man Cities of this world, he is doing a great job.

Would the people doubting this rather have another Ron Noades or Simon Jordan???

Don't believe that b/s about him being a reluctant owner. He tried to buy the club 12 months before it went in to administration.

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majorkaios Trowbridge, Wilts 02 Sep 17 12.38pm
Originally posted by Kodg Originally posted by dpommo It seems to me that there are a decent number of fans who are just rubbed the wrong way by Steve Parish generally. I would hazard a guess that for some of them it's because he's a successful Palace fan who has got things that they will never have (money, success, power and is a relatively young man who owns the club he supports) and that they will never be satisfied until he is gone and they can feel a bit better about their own lives again by comparison. There also seems to be a touch of forgetting where we came from and in my opinion we deserve to go down because of what our fanbase has become now (fanbase, not supporters). I saw a stat that our promotion-winning side five years ago cost something like 3 million, yet now we go toe to toe with top sides, regularly spend over 20 million on a single player and are offering 100k+ on wages to top players (and getting them). Still, it's never enough and that is today's breed of football fan. If you hate Parish then everything he's done has been terrible (including Holloway walking away and us getting Benteke and Sakho because they didn't come early enough in the window). If you love him then everything is forgivable, including us now having only one recognised striker in the 24 man squad. I would argue that maybe the true picture lies somewhere in the middle. I live with an Arsenal fan who is in disbelief at the farce their club is becoming and who looks at a club like Palace, which manages to stay true to it's roots and still progresses, with envious eyes. There were always negative threads about Parish long before this transfer window and there always will be, regardless of what he does. Personally I think we have one of the only chairmen in the league who has the best interests of the club they own at heart and who has continually advanced us with to-be-expected bumps in the road. He will make mistakes, as does everyone, and there are things that people moan about that we're not entirely privy to. He deserves a lot better than some of the cr@p he gets on here though, shame on a lot of you. I tend to agree with you, especially the opening paragraph. Edited by Kodg (02 Sep 2017 7.48am) Indeed nice post thanks, I am so glad we have a Chairman who has ambition, that is, in the long run, a desire to maintain a regular position in the top tier. Looking towards our talented youth, it's clear to see that's the way forward. So I am happy to back Steves decision to Install FDB as manager, He has proven track record towards youngsters as do all the Dutch Managers. When Sir Steve first came here he was totally green, with no other experience in running a club. We backed him cos He gave youth a chance and look at that, 2 of that crop are today International Team Managers. Sir Steve was a great gritty Winger and an International player in his day. It takes a great player to inspire the success that comes from overcoming our failings. Sir Steve Coppell did not bring instant success, it was a sporadic roller coaster. But what a great period that was. Our DNA is not about instant gratification or caring what our mates say about my team's failures. I'm so proud the team I support, managed to produce 2 players that went on to be International Team managers, as well as numerous Home Grown International squad players. Amazing if you look at the stadium and facilities we had then. It's not much better now, and that's why I agree with SP, we need to look to our Youth. I have faith in such a player as FDB, to inspire the team we have. Wish I could say the same for our fans. Who on whole seem brainwashed in thinking the modern way is about fast instant success or else !!! OUT. I hope Steve has the courage to stay on the plan. School, SN.Juniors, SN High, Selhurst. 1st match 1972 CP 2 N. Utd 1. Thank you, John Jackson and Vince Hilair for brightening our darkest days. I moved to the west country in 1983. Always Proud and 'Glad All Over' to be a Palace Fan. ))
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majorkaios

Trowbridge, Wilts 02 Sep 17 12.38pm

Originally posted by Kodg

Originally posted by dpommo

It seems to me that there are a decent number of fans who are just rubbed the wrong way by Steve Parish generally. I would hazard a guess that for some of them it's because he's a successful Palace fan who has got things that they will never have (money, success, power and is a relatively young man who owns the club he supports) and that they will never be satisfied until he is gone and they can feel a bit better about their own lives again by comparison.

There also seems to be a touch of forgetting where we came from and in my opinion we deserve to go down because of what our fanbase has become now (fanbase, not supporters). I saw a stat that our promotion-winning side five years ago cost something like 3 million, yet now we go toe to toe with top sides, regularly spend over 20 million on a single player and are offering 100k+ on wages to top players (and getting them). Still, it's never enough and that is today's breed of football fan.

If you hate Parish then everything he's done has been terrible (including Holloway walking away and us getting Benteke and Sakho because they didn't come early enough in the window). If you love him then everything is forgivable, including us now having only one recognised striker in the 24 man squad. I would argue that maybe the true picture lies somewhere in the middle. I live with an Arsenal fan who is in disbelief at the farce their club is becoming and who looks at a club like Palace, which manages to stay true to it's roots and still progresses, with envious eyes.

There were always negative threads about Parish long before this transfer window and there always will be, regardless of what he does. Personally I think we have one of the only chairmen in the league who has the best interests of the club they own at heart and who has continually advanced us with to-be-expected bumps in the road. He will make mistakes, as does everyone, and there are things that people moan about that we're not entirely privy to. He deserves a lot better than some of the cr@p he gets on here though, shame on a lot of you.

I tend to agree with you, especially the opening paragraph.

Edited by Kodg (02 Sep 2017 7.48am)

Indeed nice post thanks, I am so glad we have a Chairman who has ambition, that is, in the long run, a desire to maintain a regular position in the top tier.

Looking towards our talented youth, it's clear to see that's the way forward. So I am happy to back Steves decision to Install FDB as manager, He has proven track record towards youngsters as do all the Dutch Managers.

When Sir Steve first came here he was totally green, with no other experience in running a club. We backed him cos He gave youth a chance and look at that, 2 of that crop are today International Team Managers. Sir Steve was a great gritty Winger and an International player in his day. It takes a great player to inspire the success that comes from overcoming our failings. Sir Steve Coppell did not bring instant success, it was a sporadic roller coaster. But what a great period that was.

Our DNA is not about instant gratification or caring what our mates say about my team's failures. I'm so proud the team I support, managed to produce 2 players that went on to be International Team managers, as well as numerous Home Grown International squad players. Amazing if you look at the stadium and facilities we had then. It's not much better now, and that's why I agree with SP, we need to look to our Youth.

I have faith in such a player as FDB, to inspire the team we have. Wish I could say the same for our fans. Who on whole seem brainwashed in thinking the modern way is about fast instant success or else !!! OUT.

I hope Steve has the courage to stay on the plan.

School, SN.Juniors, SN High, Selhurst. 1st match 1972 CP 2 N. Utd 1. Thank you, John Jackson and Vince Hilair for brightening our darkest days. I moved to the west country in 1983. Always Proud and 'Glad All Over' to be a Palace Fan. ))

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Dangermouse Hastings 02 Sep 17 12.55pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 A good and interesting post. How do you feel about 67% of the club now being owned by Americans and how do you feel Parish's and ex-CPFC2010 trio decision to allow that to have benefitted us and shown that Parish truly does have the best interests of the club at heart? Well if the 67% is true then Parish is blameless. He's constantly being out voted. That's Life And as funny as it may seem Some people get their kicks stompin' on a Dream. KEEP THE FAITH!!!!!
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Hastings 02 Sep 17 12.55pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

A good and interesting post.

How do you feel about 67% of the club now being owned by Americans and how do you feel Parish's and ex-CPFC2010 trio decision to allow that to have benefitted us and shown that Parish truly does have the best interests of the club at heart?

Well if the 67% is true then Parish is blameless. He's constantly being out voted.

That's Life
And as funny as it may seem
Some people get their kicks stompin' on a Dream.
KEEP THE FAITH!!!!!

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Eustace H. Plimsoll Aldershot 02 Sep 17 1.01pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle How can we forget when we aren't allowed to move forward because there is always someone reminding us of where we came from on a daily basis. Precisely! I mean how the hell am I supposed to be able to get on with the business of forgetting that someone arguably saved our club from extinction when people insist on recalling trivia such as someone arguably saving our club from extinction? All this bloody remembering. I’m busy. And ever so important. Move on people... I think people simply need to sharpen up when negotiating their verbal contracts. Too many rushed to offer Parish and Chums “undying gratitude” when they arguably saved our club from extinction. The wiser heads among us held out for defined terms. What a relief it was once the first year of Premiership safety was secured, when I was able at last to move forward by freeing myself of that irritating and shackling gratitude for arguably saving our club from extinction. and could crack on with forgetting they arguably saved our club from extinction. I’ll be thankful (but not for overly long) when things eventually turn properly sour again and we can lose the grateful little s*s. While we’re at it, would people please stop banging endlessly on about Noades being a despicable c*? Maybe he was, maybe he wasn’t (he was. Or maybe he wasn’t.), but either way, can’t I please just be allowed to forget? As the RBL will surely some day say - once they stop wasting time they could otherwise be busy spending forgetting, if they weren’t gratefully remembering all the bloody time - ‘Best we forget... ‘ As a woman, I can step aside, or step up my game...
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

How can we forget when we aren't allowed to move forward because there is always someone reminding us of where we came from on a daily basis.

Precisely! I mean how the hell am I supposed to be able to get on with the business of forgetting that someone arguably saved our club from extinction when people insist on recalling trivia such as someone arguably saving our club from extinction? All this bloody remembering. I’m busy. And ever so important. Move on people...

I think people simply need to sharpen up when negotiating their verbal contracts. Too many rushed to offer Parish and Chums “undying gratitude” when they arguably saved our club from extinction. The wiser heads among us held out for defined terms. What a relief it was once the first year of Premiership safety was secured, when I was able at last to move forward by freeing myself of that irritating and shackling gratitude for arguably saving our club from extinction. and could crack on with forgetting they arguably saved our club from extinction. I’ll be thankful (but not for overly long) when things eventually turn properly sour again and we can lose the grateful little s***s.

While we’re at it, would people please stop banging endlessly on about Noades being a despicable c***? Maybe he was, maybe he wasn’t (he was. Or maybe he wasn’t.), but either way, can’t I please just be allowed to forget? As the RBL will surely some day say - once they stop wasting time they could otherwise be busy spending forgetting, if they weren’t gratefully remembering all the bloody time - ‘Best we forget... ‘

As a woman, I can step aside, or step up my game...

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Dangermouse Hastings 02 Sep 17 1.03pm
Originally posted by TheExpatEagle Jesus, read the papers, watch their interviews. I'm not doing it all for you. Ignorance isn't as blissful as you think it is. So if you're saying they walked because of the transfer budget, what exactly is the problem? You employ a manager and tell him he has x amount to spend. If he doesn't like it and has no faith in his coaching ability he leaves. Should we then throw money at him that we haven't got? Sam retired, he's never intimated anything else that I've heard. Think he'll be back though, it's in his blood. That's Life And as funny as it may seem Some people get their kicks stompin' on a Dream. KEEP THE FAITH!!!!!
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Hastings 02 Sep 17 1.03pm

Originally posted by TheExpatEagle

Jesus, read the papers, watch their interviews. I'm not doing it all for you. Ignorance isn't as blissful as you think it is.

So if you're saying they walked because of the transfer budget, what exactly is the problem? You employ a manager and tell him he has x amount to spend. If he doesn't like it and has no faith in his coaching ability he leaves. Should we then throw money at him that we haven't got?
Sam retired, he's never intimated anything else that I've heard. Think he'll be back though, it's in his blood.

That's Life
And as funny as it may seem
Some people get their kicks stompin' on a Dream.
KEEP THE FAITH!!!!!

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dpommo Croydon 02 Sep 17 1.03pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 A good and interesting post. How do you feel about 67% of the club now being owned by Americans and how do you feel Parish's and ex-CPFC2010 trio decision to allow that to have benefitted us and shown that Parish truly does have the best interests of the club at heart? Thanks. That situation doesn't exactly fill me with joy, I would assume that because of the state of our club (neglected stadium and facilities, backwards infrastructure) it was a necessary evil to get outside investment. Maybe it will come back to bite us years from now. I'm certainly not a Parish disciple, he has made some mistakes but to hold him up to a perfect ideal as some seem to do just seems futile to me. Overall I think we lucked out with him and CPFC2010 and I'm happy that my club is where it is.
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Croydon 02 Sep 17 1.03pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

A good and interesting post.

Thanks. That situation doesn't exactly fill me with joy, I would assume that because of the state of our club (neglected stadium and facilities, backwards infrastructure) it was a necessary evil to get outside investment.

Maybe it will come back to bite us years from now. I'm certainly not a Parish disciple, he has made some mistakes but to hold him up to a perfect ideal as some seem to do just seems futile to me. Overall I think we lucked out with him and CPFC2010 and I'm happy that my club is where it is.

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Petereagle Brockley 02 Sep 17 1.46pm
Originally posted by dpommo Thanks. That situation doesn't exactly fill me with joy, I would assume that because of the state of our club (neglected stadium and facilities, backwards infrastructure) it was a necessary evil to get outside investment. Maybe it will come back to bite us years from now. I'm certainly not a Parish disciple, he has made some mistakes but to hold him up to a perfect ideal as some seem to do just seems futile to me. Overall I think we lucked out with him and CPFC2010 and I'm happy that my club is where it is. Hear hear!
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Brockley 02 Sep 17 1.46pm

Originally posted by dpommo

Hear hear!

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 02 Sep 17 2.55pm
Originally posted by dpommo Thanks. That situation doesn't exactly fill me with joy, I would assume that because of the state of our club (neglected stadium and facilities, backwards infrastructure) it was a necessary evil to get outside investment. Maybe it will come back to bite us years from now. I'm certainly not a Parish disciple, he has made some mistakes but to hold him up to a perfect ideal as some seem to do just seems futile to me. Overall I think we lucked out with him and CPFC2010 and I'm happy that my club is where it is. Yes on balance you're right. He does usually step in when needs must as well. Burley. Dougie prepared for more 10 behind the ball at all times football in Zaha's last season being the first. The higher we go, the longer it takes for decisions however. Needs experienced help. Not freedman. He's a scout. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 02 Sep 17 2.55pm

Originally posted by dpommo

Yes on balance you're right. He does usually step in when needs must as well.

Burley. Dougie prepared for more 10 behind the ball at all times football in Zaha's last season being the first.

The higher we go, the longer it takes for decisions however. Needs experienced help. Not freedman. He's a scout.

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Den1923 02 Sep 17 4.43pm
Originally posted by majorkaios Indeed nice post thanks, I am so glad we have a Chairman who has ambition, that is, in the long run, a desire to maintain a regular position in the top tier. Looking towards our talented youth, it's clear to see that's the way forward. So I am happy to back Steves decision to Install FDB as manager, He has proven track record towards youngsters as do all the Dutch Managers. When Sir Steve first came here he was totally green, with no other experience in running a club. We backed him cos He gave youth a chance and look at that, 2 of that crop are today International Team Managers. Sir Steve was a great gritty Winger and an International player in his day. It takes a great player to inspire the success that comes from overcoming our failings. Sir Steve Coppell did not bring instant success, it was a sporadic roller coaster. But what a great period that was. Our DNA is not about instant gratification or caring what our mates say about my team's failures. I'm so proud the team I support, managed to produce 2 players that went on to be International Team managers, as well as numerous Home Grown International squad players. Amazing if you look at the stadium and facilities we had then. It's not much better now, and that's why I agree with SP, we need to look to our Youth. I have faith in such a player as FDB, to inspire the team we have. Wish I could say the same for our fans. Who on whole seem brainwashed in thinking the modern way is about fast instant success or else !!! OUT. I hope Steve has the courage to stay on the plan. and the bad home record continues with just 26 wins from 78 home PL games over the last 4 and a bit seasons + an average of nearly two managers a season, certainly a good record and something he should be proud of!
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02 Sep 17 4.43pm

Originally posted by majorkaios

Indeed nice post thanks, I am so glad we have a Chairman who has ambition, that is, in the long run, a desire to maintain a regular position in the top tier.

I hope Steve has the courage to stay on the plan.

and the bad home record continues with just 26 wins from 78 home PL games over the last 4 and a bit seasons + an average of nearly two managers a season, certainly a good record and something he should be proud of!

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Rachid Rachid Rachid 02 Sep 17 5.17pm
Hope the link works but attached suggests SP, Josh Harris and David Blitzer own 18% each with remaining 46% other members of CPFC 2010. [Link]
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Hope the link works but attached suggests SP, Josh Harris and David Blitzer own 18% each with remaining 46% other members of CPFC 2010.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 02 Sep 17 5.20pm
Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid Hope the link works but attached suggests SP, Josh Harris and David Blitzer own 18% each with remaining 46% other members of CPFC 2010. [Link] Pretty sure that's not true any more. There's more Americans involved. COYP
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Caterham 02 Sep 17 5.20pm

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

Hope the link works but attached suggests SP, Josh Harris and David Blitzer own 18% each with remaining 46% other members of CPFC 2010.

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Pretty sure that's not true any more. There's more Americans involved.

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