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View auk's Profile auk Flag 27 Feb 23 4.33pm Send a Private Message to auk Add auk as a friend

In my view, a lot of nonsense is talked about ‘decision-making’.

Its so-called ‘importance’ has been drummed into players such as Schlupp, Ayew, Zaha etc .

As a result, they end up spending so much time reflecting what decision to make that the opposing defenders have regrouped and the scoring opportunity is lost.

Instead, they should play by instinct - shoot on sight of the whites of the keeper’s eyes.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 27 Feb 23 4.44pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

I think that when people talk about decision making they are actually referring to instinctive decision making and not sitting down to have a think about it.

When Schluppy arrived we were told by Leicester fans that although he was very fast his decision making was dreadful

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 27 Feb 23 4.49pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

'Decision-making'...'ability to read the game'...these and no doubt other phrases are just hyperbolic ways of saying "good at football".

 


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View JRW2's Profile JRW2 Flag Dulwich 27 Feb 23 5.40pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by YT

'Decision-making'...'ability to read the game'...these and no doubt other phrases are just hyperbolic ways of saying "good at football".

Jimmy Greaves was "good at football", but I'm not sure that people who know more about the game than I do would have put "decision-making" and "ability to read the game" amongst his attributes.

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 27 Feb 23 6.11pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by JRW2

Jimmy Greaves was "good at football", but I'm not sure that people who know more about the game than I do would have put "decision-making" and "ability to read the game" amongst his attributes.

Why?

 


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View beak's Profile beak Flag croydon 27 Feb 23 8.59pm Send a Private Message to beak Add beak as a friend

Originally posted by YT

Why?

Greaves was instinctive.

 

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View auk's Profile auk Flag 28 Feb 23 1.02pm Send a Private Message to auk Add auk as a friend

Is instinctive the same as spontaneous?

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 28 Feb 23 1.33pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

For me good decision making equates to having a football brain and making the right decision in the vast majority of cases on the field.
DeBruyne is a classic example.
Invariably finds his man with a correctly weighted pass which puts his team in the most advantageous position available at the time.
Sadly we don't have a DeBruyne, but in the past I would say Cabaye would have been a good example and to a lesser extent McArthur.
Currently we have too many headless chickens who are not efficient in their use of the ball and make poor decisions.

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 28 Feb 23 2.09pm Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by beak

Greaves was instinctive.

Plus he never gave up and was always running in to the penalty box in anticipation that something may well come his way!

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 28 Feb 23 2.42pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

For me good decision making equates to having a football brain and making the right decision in the vast majority of cases on the field.
DeBruyne is a classic example.
Invariably finds his man with a correctly weighted pass which puts his team in the most advantageous position available at the time.
Sadly we don't have a DeBruyne, but in the past I would say Cabaye would have been a good example and to a lesser extent McArthur.
Currently we have too many headless chickens who are not efficient in their use of the ball and make poor decisions.

Agree with all the rest but the bottom highlighted seems a bit harsh for me PatA and I would propose something somewhat different:

1. Tactics - Whatever the philosophy is that PV is trying to imbed, it seems or is evidently lacking in the final product. Almost like a sentiment as opposed to an actual strategic approach to the game. The further this progresses up the field, the weaker it becomes for me: 1. Defence of solid technical skilled ball players 2. Midfield are now looking like technically capable players who retain and can move the ball however their tactical drilling not evident and forward passes somewhat predictable/generic 3. Forward line of individualistic players in their own world usually and lacking in ideas to actually score.

and then,

2. Individualistic players - More towards the front (as mentioned). Wilf is Wilf, Olise seems to always be looking to cut in or do Olise things and Ayew doing Ayew things with either Mateta looking somewhat lost in the middle or Edouard looking as though he is trying to implement whatever is being trained into him but not quite sure.

So end summary for me is we have some players fitting nicely into the philosophy/system however many individual players who do not look amenable or yet capable to deliver whatever is attempting to be achieved. They're all good players IMHO with some fantastic capabilities however they are not operating as a synesthetic and cohesive unit... yet.

That's not really a criticism of either PV or players just my perspective of things. Hopefully as time moves forward we will see a nice marriage between PV's tactical approach and the players' individual abilities however it still looks disjointed or half-implemented for me - hence the lack of attempts, goals and wins. And breathe, that was a long post!

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 28 Feb 23 6.01pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Agree with all the rest but the bottom highlighted seems a bit harsh for me PatA and I would propose something somewhat different:

1. Tactics - Whatever the philosophy is that PV is trying to imbed, it seems or is evidently lacking in the final product. Almost like a sentiment as opposed to an actual strategic approach to the game. The further this progresses up the field, the weaker it becomes for me: 1. Defence of solid technical skilled ball players 2. Midfield are now looking like technically capable players who retain and can move the ball however their tactical drilling not evident and forward passes somewhat predictable/generic 3. Forward line of individualistic players in their own world usually and lacking in ideas to actually score.

and then,

2. Individualistic players - More towards the front (as mentioned). Wilf is Wilf, Olise seems to always be looking to cut in or do Olise things and Ayew doing Ayew things with either Mateta looking somewhat lost in the middle or Edouard looking as though he is trying to implement whatever is being trained into him but not quite sure.

So end summary for me is we have some players fitting nicely into the philosophy/system however many individual players who do not look amenable or yet capable to deliver whatever is attempting to be achieved. They're all good players IMHO with some fantastic capabilities however they are not operating as a synesthetic and cohesive unit... yet.

That's not really a criticism of either PV or players just my perspective of things. Hopefully as time moves forward we will see a nice marriage between PV's tactical approach and the players' individual abilities however it still looks disjointed or half-implemented for me - hence the lack of attempts, goals and wins. And breathe, that was a long post!

I look back to Batshuayi and his many offside runs, and I wonder if it was just poor timing on his part or, more likely in my opinion, our players (Zaha main culprit) holding onto the ball too long. One good pass and a well timed run can take out a defence more that some fancy dan step overs and shuffles. This is where we need to be more astute.

 

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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 28 Feb 23 7.26pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Perhaps, sometimes, they should adopt Ian Wright's old philosophy

if you've got a view of the goal, have a shot - eventually, by the law of averages, some of them will go in...

Sometimes we seem to be looking for an option to walk the ball into the net.

 


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