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The Dolphin 27 Nov 23 7.53am
It is okay bemoaning our luck but the fact is that we didn't make our ascendancy count and we are notoriously bad at that. Time and time again we wonder how we lost. The fact is, I guess, that we can't score goals - we are currently scoring one goal per game on average and there are only 5 other teams worse than us.
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The Dolphin

27 Nov 23 7.53am

It is okay bemoaning our luck but the fact is that we didn't make our ascendancy count and we are notoriously bad at that.
Time and time again we wonder how we lost.
The fact is, I guess, that we can't score goals - we are currently scoring one goal per game on average and there are only 5 other teams worse than us.

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Davepalace707 Northumberland 27 Nov 23 7.59am
Originally posted by The Dolphin It is okay bemoaning our luck but the fact is that we didn't make our ascendancy count and we are notoriously bad at that. Time and time again we wonder how we lost. The fact is, I guess, that we can't score goals - we are currently scoring one goal per game on average and there are only 5 other teams worse than us. Yep spot on. That recent interview Parish did on the Lineker podcast - he reaffirmed Roy’s love of defence, and said “everyone can score goals in the Premier League, right?”. Wrong Steve.
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Davepalace707

Northumberland 27 Nov 23 7.59am

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Yep spot on. That recent interview Parish did on the Lineker podcast - he reaffirmed Roy’s love of defence, and said “everyone can score goals in the Premier League, right?”. Wrong Steve.

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viveasheagle perth 27 Nov 23 8.18am
5 things that did not go our way on Saturday 1) Injuries to Eze and Doucoure. I don't think either player would have been subbed out and i would have expected Ayew to have come on for Schlupp or Edouard strengthening the attacking options. 2) The double goal attempt from Schlupp and Eze could easily have parried into Edouard's path but missed. 3) Luton's first goal the flick landed to the only Luton player when there were actually 5 Palace players in very close vicinity. The gap that appeared in the scramble was perfect to score but, in most situations, either the flick would have found a Palace player or one of them would have been in the line of sight of the goal. 4) Edouard's goal was well taken but it was just a random ricochet that caused the ball to hit is hand rather than him deliberately handled it. 5) Lerma's header was probably 1/2cm from going in either in off the bar or the post. The stat's for game indicate this and Luton's XG was .94 and ours 1.67 despite us suffering injuries to 2 key players. [Link] Edited by viveasheagle (27 Nov 2023 8.19am)
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perth 27 Nov 23 8.18am

5 things that did not go our way on Saturday
1) Injuries to Eze and Doucoure. I don't think either player would have been subbed out and i would have expected Ayew to have come on for Schlupp or Edouard strengthening the attacking options.
2) The double goal attempt from Schlupp and Eze could easily have parried into Edouard's path but missed.
3) Luton's first goal the flick landed to the only Luton player when there were actually 5 Palace players in very close vicinity. The gap that appeared in the scramble was perfect to score but, in most situations, either the flick would have found a Palace player or one of them would have been in the line of sight of the goal.
4) Edouard's goal was well taken but it was just a random ricochet that caused the ball to hit is hand rather than him deliberately handled it.
5) Lerma's header was probably 1/2cm from going in either in off the bar or the post.
The stat's for game indicate this and Luton's XG was .94 and ours 1.67 despite us suffering injuries to 2 key players.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Nov 23 8.35am
Originally posted by The Dolphin It is okay bemoaning our luck but the fact is that we didn't make our ascendancy count and we are notoriously bad at that. Time and time again we wonder how we lost. The fact is, I guess, that we can't score goals - we are currently scoring one goal per game on average and there are only 5 other teams worse than us. Eberechi Eze sustained a hamstring injury which meant he was missing for a succession of games, Olise has only just returned to the fray and has only featured in 2 games this season. Ayew's workrate is admirable but one wouldn't file him under 'Goalscorer'. Edouard has failed to deliver but it is the model of plausibility that this could be attributable in part to a lack of scoring opportunities. Mateta has hardly impressed and does not appear to be PL standard. There is no attacking thrust from both full-backs but this could be due to what has been asked of them. Most certainly Ward is not suited to this aspect of the game. Edited by Willo (27 Nov 2023 8.36am)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Nov 23 8.35am

Originally posted by The Dolphin

It is okay bemoaning our luck but the fact is that we didn't make our ascendancy count and we are notoriously bad at that.
Time and time again we wonder how we lost.
The fact is, I guess, that we can't score goals - we are currently scoring one goal per game on average and there are only 5 other teams worse than us.

Eberechi Eze sustained a hamstring injury which meant he was missing for a succession of games, Olise has only just returned to the fray and has only featured in 2 games this season.

Ayew's workrate is admirable but one wouldn't file him under 'Goalscorer'.

Edouard has failed to deliver but it is the model of plausibility that this could be attributable in part to a lack of scoring opportunities.

Mateta has hardly impressed and does not appear to be PL standard.

There is no attacking thrust from both full-backs but this could be due to what has been asked of them. Most certainly Ward is not suited to this aspect of the game.

Edited by Willo (27 Nov 2023 8.36am)

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rikz Croydon 27 Nov 23 8.55am
Originally posted by PatrickA I'm normally the last person to defend Roy, but what options does he have as the side virtually picks itself? For example,I would contend that a choice between Ward and Clyne or Mateta and Edouard or Hughes/Schlupp/Lerma is unlikely to be game changing. The centre backs, keeper and left back pick themselves (in the absence of competition for Mitchell). Roy has already given an indication that he doesn't believe the young players are ready, and I trust his judgement on this. That being said, if Eze and Doucoure are out I hope Ahamada gets a chance to offer something different from midfield. We finished last season well, even without Zaha, and this has possibly led to some complacency from the board around the need for strengthening. This has come back to bite us. Exactly this. I was never overly excited by Roy's spell last season as he had a very favorable set of fixtures. As good as eze and olise are, our best attacking player was zaha and to not. replace him Is criminal, along with strengthening our fall back positions. I don't think you can blame Roy
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rikz

Croydon 27 Nov 23 8.55am

Originally posted by PatrickA

I'm normally the last person to defend Roy, but what options does he have as the side virtually picks itself?
For example,I would contend that a choice between Ward and Clyne or Mateta and Edouard or Hughes/Schlupp/Lerma is unlikely to be game changing.
The centre backs, keeper and left back pick themselves (in the absence of competition for Mitchell).
Roy has already given an indication that he doesn't believe the young players are ready, and I trust his judgement on this.
That being said, if Eze and Doucoure are out I hope Ahamada gets a chance to offer something different from midfield.

We finished last season well, even without Zaha, and this has possibly led to some complacency from the board around the need for strengthening.
This has come back to bite us.

Exactly this. I was never overly excited by Roy's spell last season as he had a very favorable set of fixtures. As good as eze and olise are, our best attacking player was zaha and to not. replace him Is criminal, along with strengthening our fall back positions. I don't think you can blame Roy

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Eaglecoops CR3 27 Nov 23 9.08am
Originally posted by The Dolphin Lots of great posts on this thread. We should not be losing a game to Luton; we had chances to bury them and didn't; Ward is not good enough - how many times does it need to be said; Roy has to take some responsibility for this result - will anything happen - doubtful; the two injuries are worrying and how the Luton player didn't even get a booking for the foul on Eze is symptomatic of appalling refereeing standards currently; Anderson and Johnstone need their backsides kicking - a dreadful and needless error; Ayew turning his back on the ball for the first goal was pathetic; Edouarde is a waste of a shirt. We thought we were going to cruise past them and got done - really poor! To finish - we have now let in 11 goals in 5 games - not good at all. A Hodgson team is normally quite mean in that department and I believe that we are not defending from the front any longer. All very worrying and currently we can be thankful that there are other teams even worse than us. Edited by The Dolphin (27 Nov 2023 7.27am) This post sums it up for me. If you analyse our first 11 from a distance you would probably say, a strong central defensive four of Guehi, Andersen, Doucoure and Lerma but with defensive weakness down the channels.it is worrying that we are shipping so many goals with no apparent attempt to improve the areas of weakness. In the attacking third we are not clinical enough, simple as that. Edouard is lazier than Benteke used to be and half heartedly chases down defenders who he knows he is not going to get within a couple of yards of. With the injury to both Doucoure and Eze and no decent replacements, I reckon the next 7 game hectic month could be a torrid period for us. We somehow need to pick up at least 6-8 points from the following games which might look fairly straightforward on paper but given our Everton and Luton performances could see a lower return. West Ham A Bournemouth H Liverpool H Man City A Brighton H Chelsea A Brentford H
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Eaglecoops

CR3 27 Nov 23 9.08am

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Lots of great posts on this thread.
We should not be losing a game to Luton; we had chances to bury them and didn't; Ward is not good enough - how many times does it need to be said; Roy has to take some responsibility for this result - will anything happen - doubtful; the two injuries are worrying and how the Luton player didn't even get a booking for the foul on Eze is symptomatic of appalling refereeing standards currently; Anderson and Johnstone need their backsides kicking - a dreadful and needless error; Ayew turning his back on the ball for the first goal was pathetic; Edouarde is a waste of a shirt.
We thought we were going to cruise past them and got done - really poor!
To finish - we have now let in 11 goals in 5 games - not good at all.
A Hodgson team is normally quite mean in that department and I believe that we are not defending from the front any longer.
All very worrying and currently we can be thankful that there are other teams even worse than us.

Edited by The Dolphin (27 Nov 2023 7.27am)

This post sums it up for me. If you analyse our first 11 from a distance you would probably say, a strong central defensive four of Guehi, Andersen, Doucoure and Lerma but with defensive weakness down the channels.it is worrying that we are shipping so many goals with no apparent attempt to improve the areas of weakness.

In the attacking third we are not clinical enough, simple as that. Edouard is lazier than Benteke used to be and half heartedly chases down defenders who he knows he is not going to get within a couple of yards of.

With the injury to both Doucoure and Eze and no decent replacements, I reckon the next 7 game hectic month could be a torrid period for us. We somehow need to pick up at least 6-8 points from the following games which might look fairly straightforward on paper but given our Everton and Luton performances could see a lower return.

West Ham A
Bournemouth H
Liverpool H
Man City A
Brighton H
Chelsea A
Brentford H

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Nov 23 9.15am
Originally posted by Eaglecoops This post sums it up for me. If you analyse our first 11 from a distance you would probably say, a strong central defensive four of Guehi, Andersen, Doucoure and Lerma but with defensive weakness down the channels.it is worrying that we are shipping so many goals with no apparent attempt to improve the areas of weakness. In the attacking third we are not clinical enough, simple as that. Edouard is lazier than Benteke used to be and half heartedly chases down defenders who he knows he is not going to get within a couple of yards of. With the injury to both Doucoure and Eze and no decent replacements, I reckon the next 7 game hectic month could be a torrid period for us. We somehow need to pick up at least 6-8 points from the following games which might look fairly straightforward on paper but given our Everton and Luton performances could see a lower return. West Ham A Bournemouth H Liverpool H Man City A Brighton H Chelsea A Brentford H I certainly do not expect us to improve our points tally by 6-8 from these games and I fully expect bouts of wailing and fustigation on HOL.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Nov 23 9.15am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

With the injury to both Doucoure and Eze and no decent replacements, I reckon the next 7 game hectic month could be a torrid period for us. We somehow need to pick up at least 6-8 points from the following games which might look fairly straightforward on paper but given our Everton and Luton performances could see a lower return.

West Ham A
Bournemouth H
Liverpool H
Man City A
Brighton H
Chelsea A
Brentford H

I certainly do not expect us to improve our points tally by 6-8 from these games and I fully expect bouts of wailing and fustigation on HOL.

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Davepalace707 Northumberland 27 Nov 23 9.26am
Originally posted by Willo I certainly do not expect us to improve our points tally by 6-8 from these games and I fully expect bouts of wailing and fustigation on HOL. Five points. Not good but would be more than enough to keep us out of trouble this season. Which sadly with injuries and deficiencies is where the bar is set atm
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Davepalace707

Northumberland 27 Nov 23 9.26am

Originally posted by Willo

I certainly do not expect us to improve our points tally by 6-8 from these games and I fully expect bouts of wailing and fustigation on HOL.

Five points. Not good but would be more than enough to keep us out of trouble this season. Which sadly with injuries and deficiencies is where the bar is set atm

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 27 Nov 23 9.29am
Originally posted by Willo I certainly do not expect us to improve our points tally by 6-8 from these games and I fully expect bouts of wailing and fustigation on HOL. With the conclusion that we 'need to spend in Jan' being drawn by the fanbase, only for this not to happen. Could be a rocky road ahead for the foreseeable. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 27 Nov 23 9.29am

Originally posted by Willo

I certainly do not expect us to improve our points tally by 6-8 from these games and I fully expect bouts of wailing and fustigation on HOL.

With the conclusion that we 'need to spend in Jan' being drawn by the fanbase, only for this not to happen.

Could be a rocky road ahead for the foreseeable.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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The Dolphin 27 Nov 23 9.33am
Subject to the length of Eze's injury I can see us piking up no more than 3 points from those games. It is indeed, very worrying right now. Also - the standard of football that I have watched from Palace so far this season is less than entertaining. Olise's return might change that but he can't do it all by himself.
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The Dolphin

27 Nov 23 9.33am

Subject to the length of Eze's injury I can see us piking up no more than 3 points from those games.
It is indeed, very worrying right now.
Also - the standard of football that I have watched from Palace so far this season is less than entertaining.
Olise's return might change that but he can't do it all by himself.

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 27 Nov 23 9.36am
Originally posted by The Dolphin Subject to the length of Eze's injury I can see us piking up no more than 3 points from those games. It is indeed, very worrying right now. Also - the standard of football that I have watched from Palace so far this season is less than entertaining. Olise's return might change that but he can't do it all by himself. Indeed. Unfortunately our two genuinely creative players have only started one game together all season and even then that didn't last for ninety minutes Old, Ungifted and White
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NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 27 Nov 23 9.36am

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Subject to the length of Eze's injury I can see us piking up no more than 3 points from those games.
It is indeed, very worrying right now.
Also - the standard of football that I have watched from Palace so far this season is less than entertaining.
Olise's return might change that but he can't do it all by himself.

Indeed.

Unfortunately our two genuinely creative players have only started one game together all season and even then that didn't last for ninety minutes

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Jacey 27 Nov 23 10.10am
Originally posted by Eaglecoops This post sums it up for me. If you analyse our first 11 from a distance you would probably say, a strong central defensive four of Guehi, Andersen, Doucoure and Lerma but with defensive weakness down the channels.it is worrying that we are shipping so many goals with no apparent attempt to improve the areas of weakness. In the attacking third we are not clinical enough, simple as that. Edouard is lazier than Benteke used to be and half heartedly chases down defenders who he knows he is not going to get within a couple of yards of. With the injury to both Doucoure and Eze and no decent replacements, I reckon the next 7 game hectic month could be a torrid period for us. We somehow need to pick up at least 6-8 points from the following games which might look fairly straightforward on paper but given our Everton and Luton performances could see a lower return. West Ham A Bournemouth H Liverpool H Man City A Brighton H Chelsea A Brentford H Being a tad optimistic if we think that we can obtain 6/8 points from these fixtures.
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Jacey

27 Nov 23 10.10am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

West Ham A
Bournemouth H
Liverpool H
Man City A
Brighton H
Chelsea A
Brentford H

Being a tad optimistic if we think that we can obtain 6/8 points from these fixtures.

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