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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Aug 14 4.43pm
Quote matt_himself at 18 Aug 2014 4.35pm Quote nickgusset at 18 Aug 2014 4.28pm Quote matt_himself at 18 Aug 2014 4.21pm Quote nickgusset at 18 Aug 2014 4.13pm Quote matt_himself at 18 Aug 2014 4.07pm Quote nickgusset at 18 Aug 2014 3.46pm Quote matt_himself at 18 Aug 2014 3.31pm Quote nickgusset at 18 Aug 2014 3.15pm Quote matt_himself at 18 Aug 2014 2.59pm Quote nickgusset at 18 Aug 2014 2.56pm Quote matt_himself at 18 Aug 2014 2.42pm Quote Palacetinian at 18 Aug 2014 2.37pm Quote legaleagle at 18 Aug 2014 2.28pm Up to him, but IMHO he has nothing to answer for, other than being silly if he descends to your level of chucking silly dirt and then demanding someone prove a negative. Edited by legaleagle (18 Aug 2014 2.28pm) Are you guys still rising to the baiting from Matthimself and Stirling?? It's not baiting, it is having a debate. Because our views differ from yours does not mean they constitute baiting. The liberal thought fascism that everyone has to think alike is alarming and it's perpetrators blinkered thought police. If anything, you kill debate on here with yer personal insults. That's not debating, that's just being a cock. You rail against personal insults and call me a 'cock'. Oh dear, Gusset. No I didn't call you a cock. You just don't understand subtlety. As for defending Hamas- who has defended Hamas? A few have said they can see why Hamas fire rockets because the blockade is not being lifted. That's not the same as condoning, that's just showing understanding of underlying causes. Likewise some have said that Israels attacks on Gaza and the siege that they have on Palestine is wrong. That's not anti semetic. Saying Jews are w***ers is, but has anyone said that? Gusset, it is obvious what you meant with the 'cock' reference. The fact you want to debate it is ridiculous. Have a look back at what I have asked Kermit and then form an opinion. I have and I have. Opinion 1. I don't think Kermit is pro Hamas and anti Israel. Has sympathy for Palestines plight does not = pro Hamas. Being against Israeli bombing of Gaza or denying Palestine basic free trade does not = anti semitic. Opinion 2. You flounder in debate so go for the man = acting like a cock. As Sterling said, there is an undercurrent of anti Israel and anti semitic in some posts. If the same type of comments were made to the gays or Muslims, you would be up in arms, denouncing the posters 'ignorance', yet for Israel and Jewish people, it appears that different rules apply. The rest of your post is all insults. I won't rise to it. 'made to the gays' shows your latent homophobia as your use of 'the' shows you wish to distance 'them' from the rest of us. You have such an really irrational fear of anyone with differing views or outlook to you. How come? Gusset - give it up. I was not being homophobic, I was trying to debate something and you are twisting things. Possibly because you know there is something in what I am saying about the undercurrent of posts on this thread. Touched a nerve I see. You were not debating anything. You were using a thread to have a personal dig at a poster because they have left wing views which makes you wee with fear case the commies come and take us from our beds in the night - sorry, getting commies confused with the IDF who have a track record of doing this to children. I was responding to your accusation, you did not 'touch a nerve'. I was debating something, I asked genuine questions,and as it is something that Kermit won't address, that is his issue. How you become involved in slinging your usual mud around, I don't know. You are now using ridiculous analogies so I think this might be a good time for a time out, pause and reflection. You do that. Reflect on the fact that we know your sort.
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Up to him, but IMHO he has nothing to answer for, other than being silly if he descends to your level of chucking silly dirt and then demanding someone prove a negative.

Edited by legaleagle (18 Aug 2014 2.28pm)

Are you guys still rising to the baiting from Matthimself and Stirling??

It's not baiting, it is having a debate. Because our views differ from yours does not mean they constitute baiting.

The liberal thought fascism that everyone has to think alike is alarming and it's perpetrators blinkered thought police.

If anything, you kill debate on here with yer personal insults. That's not debating, that's just being a cock.

You rail against personal insults and call me a 'cock'.

Oh dear, Gusset.

No I didn't call you a cock. You just don't understand subtlety.

As for defending Hamas- who has defended Hamas? A few have said they can see why Hamas fire rockets because the blockade is not being lifted. That's not the same as condoning, that's just showing understanding of underlying causes.
Likewise some have said that Israels attacks on Gaza and the siege that they have on Palestine is wrong. That's not anti semetic. Saying Jews are w***ers is, but has anyone said that?

Gusset, it is obvious what you meant with the 'cock' reference. The fact you want to debate it is ridiculous.

Have a look back at what I have asked Kermit and then form an opinion.

I have and I have. Opinion 1. I don't think Kermit is pro Hamas and anti Israel. Has sympathy for Palestines plight does not = pro Hamas. Being against Israeli bombing of Gaza or denying Palestine basic free trade does not = anti semitic.
Opinion 2. You flounder in debate so go for the man = acting like a cock.

As Sterling said, there is an undercurrent of anti Israel and anti semitic in some posts. If the same type of comments were made to the gays or Muslims, you would be up in arms, denouncing the posters 'ignorance', yet for Israel and Jewish people, it appears that different rules apply.

The rest of your post is all insults. I won't rise to it.

'made to the gays' shows your latent homophobia as your use of 'the' shows you wish to distance 'them' from the rest of us.

You have such an really irrational fear of anyone with differing views or outlook to you. How come?

Gusset - give it up. I was not being homophobic, I was trying to debate something and you are twisting things. Possibly because you know there is something in what I am saying about the undercurrent of posts on this thread.

Touched a nerve I see. You were not debating anything. You were using a thread to have a personal dig at a poster because they have left wing views which makes you wee with fear case the commies come and take us from our beds in the night - sorry, getting commies confused with the IDF who have a track record of doing this to children.

I was responding to your accusation, you did not 'touch a nerve'.

I was debating something, I asked genuine questions,and as it is something that Kermit won't address, that is his issue. How you become involved in slinging your usual mud around, I don't know.

You are now using ridiculous analogies so I think this might be a good time for a time out, pause and reflection.

You do that. Reflect on the fact that we know your sort.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 18 Aug 14 4.48pm
These mass-debates certainly 'out' the w@nkers "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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These mass-debates certainly 'out' the w@nkers

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 18 Aug 14 4.51pm
By the way. I'm publishing my 'prostitute chronicles' on HOL. after all the hullabaloo about the new manager has died down. That should be fodder for a real mass-debate "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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By the way. I'm publishing my 'prostitute chronicles' on HOL. after all the hullabaloo about the new manager has died down.
That should be fodder for a real mass-debate

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Stirlingsays 18 Aug 14 5.08pm
Quote nickgusset at 18 Aug 2014 4.14pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Aug 2014 4.09pm Quote nickgusset at 18 Aug 2014 3.54pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Aug 2014 3.42pm Without wishing to get caught up in the crossfire I have no sympathy for the Palestinians because they choose to support Hamas... Did Hamas get 100% in the election? That's like me saying anyone who is suffering due to benefit cuts only have themselves to blame because the Tories won power at the last election. Clearly the majority wanted them Nick. If you recall the majority voted Blair in at the 97 election and amongst other sh1t decisions he took us into war with Iraq on the premise of WMD. I blamed myself for not killing Blair when I had the chance....... People on benefits should get up off their arse and support themselves anyway....... So by your logic, every single German was responsible for world war 2 because Hitler got into power. No they weren't but unless we can develop the technology to only kill the exact individuals we are aiming for and no one else then innocents will always die in war. It's a powerful reason for avoiding it. If your enemy chooses to hide amongst the innocent ....ie women and children and then fire at you.....then it is them who endanger the innocent during a fighting engagement.....To say to soldiers, 'accept people firing at you and don't respond' doesn't work....How about I get a machine gun or mortar and do it to you and see how it works out. Like I say, I didn't agree with Israel going into Gaza....It has only a short term benefit for them while tacitly accepting the killing of...what is still going to be many innocents....Which of course only leads to more extremists. However, If Israel have warned an area that it's about to be attacked and don't shell UN facilities my criticism of them is far more tempered than the typical fare on here. The IDF do deserve criticism, though it is a difficult situation. However, the usual suspects on here have been very quiet on attacking Hamas and indeed....We get the, 'Hamas's charter can be negotiated' nonsense or Nick's 'Hamas would allow Jews to live peaceably'.....Then they complain that they of course, don't support Hamas....No, but they are willing to make excuses for them and then call it something else. As for Nick stating that Hamas would allow the Jews to live peaceably amongst them I going to accuse him of naivety....He obviously doesn't know what it's like for Jews living in many many Islamic countries in that region.....Let alone next to the people who have hated you for decades. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Without wishing to get caught up in the crossfire I have no sympathy for the Palestinians because they choose to support Hamas...

Did Hamas get 100% in the election?

That's like me saying anyone who is suffering due to benefit cuts only have themselves to blame because the Tories won power at the last election.

Clearly the majority wanted them Nick.

If you recall the majority voted Blair in at the 97 election and amongst other sh1t decisions he took us into war with Iraq on the premise of WMD.

I blamed myself for not killing Blair when I had the chance.......

People on benefits should get up off their arse and support themselves anyway.......

So by your logic, every single German was responsible for world war 2 because Hitler got into power.

No they weren't but unless we can develop the technology to only kill the exact individuals we are aiming for and no one else then innocents will always die in war.

It's a powerful reason for avoiding it.

If your enemy chooses to hide amongst the innocent ....ie women and children and then fire at you.....then it is them who endanger the innocent during a fighting engagement.....To say to soldiers, 'accept people firing at you and don't respond' doesn't work....How about I get a machine gun or mortar and do it to you and see how it works out.

Like I say, I didn't agree with Israel going into Gaza....It has only a short term benefit for them while tacitly accepting the killing of...what is still going to be many innocents....Which of course only leads to more extremists.

However, If Israel have warned an area that it's about to be attacked and don't shell UN facilities my criticism of them is far more tempered than the typical fare on here.

The IDF do deserve criticism, though it is a difficult situation. However, the usual suspects on here have been very quiet on attacking Hamas and indeed....We get the, 'Hamas's charter can be negotiated' nonsense or Nick's 'Hamas would allow Jews to live peaceably'.....Then they complain that they of course, don't support Hamas....No, but they are willing to make excuses for them and then call it something else.

As for Nick stating that Hamas would allow the Jews to live peaceably amongst them I going to accuse him of naivety....He obviously doesn't know what it's like for Jews living in many many Islamic countries in that region.....Let alone next to the people who have hated you for decades.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 18 Aug 14 5.09pm
Quote Forest Hillbilly at 18 Aug 2014 4.51pm By the way. I'm publishing my 'prostitute chronicles' on HOL. after all the hullabaloo about the new manager has died down. That should be fodder for a real mass-debate I can't wait. Though it might be a while till it's worth posting....It's gone absolutely manic. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote Forest Hillbilly at 18 Aug 2014 4.51pm

By the way. I'm publishing my 'prostitute chronicles' on HOL. after all the hullabaloo about the new manager has died down.
That should be fodder for a real mass-debate

I can't wait.

Though it might be a while till it's worth posting....It's gone absolutely manic.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Kermit8 Hevon 18 Aug 14 5.42pm
Matthew - I've been waiting weeks for you to answer 'yes' or 'no' to my 'Do you want the Palestinian people to have their own country?' question which you managed to squirm around more than once yet you have a go because I didn't respond to what was a)a rhetorical question and b)amateurish goading... just a few hours ago. Typical nauseating hypocrisy from my favourite moral coward and defender of state child-killers. Edited by Kermit8 (18 Aug 2014 5.44pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Matthew - I've been waiting weeks for you to answer 'yes' or 'no' to my 'Do you want the Palestinian people to have their own country?' question which you managed to squirm around more than once yet you have a go because I didn't respond to what was a)a rhetorical question and b)amateurish goading... just a few hours ago.

Typical nauseating hypocrisy from my favourite moral coward and defender of state child-killers.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Aug 14 5.45pm
I think that this debate has become more personal than is required but it is interesting that this Isreal - Palestine problem can be so divisive. It seems to be indicative of exactly how hard any long-term solution is going to be. Red and Blue Army!
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I think that this debate has become more personal than is required but it is interesting that this Isreal - Palestine problem can be so divisive. It seems to be indicative of exactly how hard any long-term solution is going to be.

Red and Blue Army!

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 18 Aug 14 6.07pm
Quote Kermit8 at 18 Aug 2014 5.42pm Matthew - I've been waiting weeks for you to answer 'yes' or 'no' to my 'Do you want the Palestinian people to have their own country?' question which you managed to squirm around more than once yet you have a go because I didn't respond to what was a)a rhetorical question and b)amateurish goading... just a few hours ago. Typical nauseating hypocrisy from my favourite moral coward and defender of state child-killers. Edited by Kermit8 (18 Aug 2014 5.44pm) apparently not, if they were locked in a shipping container in Tilbury "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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Quote Kermit8 at 18 Aug 2014 5.42pm

Typical nauseating hypocrisy from my favourite moral coward and defender of state child-killers.

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apparently not, if they were locked in a shipping container in Tilbury

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Kermit8 Hevon 18 Aug 14 6.07pm
Quote legaleagle at 18 Aug 2014 3.00pm Quote matt_himself at 18 Aug 2014 2.39pm Quote legaleagle at 18 Aug 2014 2.28pm Up to him, but IMHO he has nothing to answer for, other than being silly if he descends to your level of chucking silly dirt and then demanding someone prove a negative. Edited by legaleagle (18 Aug 2014 2.28pm) Are you one eyed? Have a look through this thread and others. Kermit is very happy to chuck insults at me so your charges of 'descending to my level' are laughable. He is very happy to label me sub-human and warped. I have asked him questions about his attitude towards Israel and Jews, seeing as how he is now no longer posting items about the conflict in Gaza but also about wedding protests in Israel. This and his other postings have the feeling of an agenda that goes beyond the rights and wrongs of the Gaza conflict. I am sure you have an answer for this which insinuates that I am chucking mud and Kermit is sweetness and light. The thread is titled "Israel/Palestine" not Gaza. Sometimes, perhaps better to be one eyed than half brained. I'll leave you to carry on arguing with whomever (if anyone) wants to pick your ball up. I've put my point and that's enough for now. Back to the new manager thread/s! Well, Matthew? Do I have your ok to post things which refer to the bigger picture or do you want us all just to focus on Hamas and ignore everything else that may be going on which affects the on going state of affairs? Can you handle that? You don't seem to be able to at the moment. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Up to him, but IMHO he has nothing to answer for, other than being silly if he descends to your level of chucking silly dirt and then demanding someone prove a negative.

Edited by legaleagle (18 Aug 2014 2.28pm)

Are you one eyed? Have a look through this thread and others. Kermit is very happy to chuck insults at me so your charges of 'descending to my level' are laughable.

He is very happy to label me sub-human and warped. I have asked him questions about his attitude towards Israel and Jews, seeing as how he is now no longer posting items about the conflict in Gaza but also about wedding protests in Israel. This and his other postings have the feeling of an agenda that goes beyond the rights and wrongs of the Gaza conflict.

I am sure you have an answer for this which insinuates that I am chucking mud and Kermit is sweetness and light.

The thread is titled "Israel/Palestine" not Gaza.

Sometimes, perhaps better to be one eyed than half brained.

I'll leave you to carry on arguing with whomever (if anyone) wants to pick your ball up. I've put my point and that's enough for now. Back to the new manager thread/s!

Well, Matthew?

Do I have your ok to post things which refer to the bigger picture or do you want us all just to focus on Hamas and ignore everything else that may be going on which affects the on going state of affairs?

Can you handle that? You don't seem to be able to at the moment.

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Quote Forest Hillbilly at 18 Aug 2014 6.07pm Quote Kermit8 at 18 Aug 2014 5.42pm Matthew - I've been waiting weeks for you to answer 'yes' or 'no' to my 'Do you want the Palestinian people to have their own country?' question which you managed to squirm around more than once yet you have a go because I didn't respond to what was a)a rhetorical question and b)amateurish goading... just a few hours ago. Typical nauseating hypocrisy from my favourite moral coward and defender of state child-killers. Edited by Kermit8 (18 Aug 2014 5.44pm) apparently not, if they were locked in a shipping container in Tilbury I hope he slept well what with his very genuine concern and all. Can't have been easy to nod off. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote Forest Hillbilly at 18 Aug 2014 6.07pm

Quote Kermit8 at 18 Aug 2014 5.42pm

Typical nauseating hypocrisy from my favourite moral coward and defender of state child-killers.

Edited by Kermit8 (18 Aug 2014 5.44pm)

apparently not, if they were locked in a shipping container in Tilbury

I hope he slept well what with his very genuine concern and all. Can't have been easy to nod off.

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matt_himself Matataland 18 Aug 14 6.16pm
Quote Kermit8 at 18 Aug 2014 5.42pm Matthew - I've been waiting weeks for you to answer 'yes' or 'no' to my 'Do you want the Palestinian people to have their own country?' question which you managed to squirm around more than once yet you have a go because I didn't respond to what was a)a rhetorical question and b)amateurish goading... just a few hours ago. Typical nauseating hypocrisy from my favourite moral coward and defender of state child-killers. Edited by Kermit8 (18 Aug 2014 5.44pm) I don't recall you asking this and can't be arsed to go through 120 pages of mostly hysterical bum wad, but in answer to your question, I do support a two state solution. I don't support Hamas involvement in that two state solution and believe they are not just blocking peace but encouraging violence and also because their 1988 charter explicitly refuses to accept the State of Israel. You have dodged my questions from earlier. I won't resort to your level of insults. Your silence on the matter is telling though. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Quote Kermit8 at 18 Aug 2014 5.42pm

Typical nauseating hypocrisy from my favourite moral coward and defender of state child-killers.

Edited by Kermit8 (18 Aug 2014 5.44pm)

I don't recall you asking this and can't be arsed to go through 120 pages of mostly hysterical bum wad, but in answer to your question, I do support a two state solution. I don't support Hamas involvement in that two state solution and believe they are not just blocking peace but encouraging violence and also because their 1988 charter explicitly refuses to accept the State of Israel.

You have dodged my questions from earlier. I won't resort to your level of insults. Your silence on the matter is telling though.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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matt_himself Matataland 18 Aug 14 6.19pm
Quote Kermit8 at 18 Aug 2014 6.07pm Quote legaleagle at 18 Aug 2014 3.00pm Quote matt_himself at 18 Aug 2014 2.39pm Quote legaleagle at 18 Aug 2014 2.28pm Up to him, but IMHO he has nothing to answer for, other than being silly if he descends to your level of chucking silly dirt and then demanding someone prove a negative. Edited by legaleagle (18 Aug 2014 2.28pm) Are you one eyed? Have a look through this thread and others. Kermit is very happy to chuck insults at me so your charges of 'descending to my level' are laughable. He is very happy to label me sub-human and warped. I have asked him questions about his attitude towards Israel and Jews, seeing as how he is now no longer posting items about the conflict in Gaza but also about wedding protests in Israel. This and his other postings have the feeling of an agenda that goes beyond the rights and wrongs of the Gaza conflict. I am sure you have an answer for this which insinuates that I am chucking mud and Kermit is sweetness and light. The thread is titled "Israel/Palestine" not Gaza. Sometimes, perhaps better to be one eyed than half brained. I'll leave you to carry on arguing with whomever (if anyone) wants to pick your ball up. I've put my point and that's enough for now. Back to the new manager thread/s! Well, Matthew? Do I have your ok to post things which refer to the bigger picture or do you want us all just to focus on Hamas and ignore everything else that may be going on which affects the on going state of affairs? Can you handle that? You don't seem to be able to at the moment. I am fine with that. However, you cannot deny that a substantial portion of the recent threads has been about the conflict in Gaza. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Up to him, but IMHO he has nothing to answer for, other than being silly if he descends to your level of chucking silly dirt and then demanding someone prove a negative.

Edited by legaleagle (18 Aug 2014 2.28pm)

Are you one eyed? Have a look through this thread and others. Kermit is very happy to chuck insults at me so your charges of 'descending to my level' are laughable.

I am sure you have an answer for this which insinuates that I am chucking mud and Kermit is sweetness and light.

The thread is titled "Israel/Palestine" not Gaza.

Sometimes, perhaps better to be one eyed than half brained.

I'll leave you to carry on arguing with whomever (if anyone) wants to pick your ball up. I've put my point and that's enough for now. Back to the new manager thread/s!

Well, Matthew?

Can you handle that? You don't seem to be able to at the moment.

I am fine with that. However, you cannot deny that a substantial portion of the recent threads has been about the conflict in Gaza.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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