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I did something so much more active than that......I boycotted Syrian fruit. It's the only way. Does anyone care a fig?
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Stirling - Danny's 'Jon Snow' link is well worth watching. Only three minutes.
It just shows the injustice of war. How is our inaction on children dying in this action any different to Syrian children dying? Was hardly anyone supporting anything being done about that? The innocent die when guns or shells are fired.....That will always be the case.
It's a cop out. They are waging war on a very weak adversary in comparison and for every Hamas fighter they get with their guesswork like shelling it seems to be twenty or more civilians die of which a significant amount are very young. Israel are not under threat of invasion from Gaza or from weapons of mass destruction. So why are they being so belligerent and violent against a people where the vast majority of whom who have become casualties are no real danger to them? Unless 8 year olds having the cheek to play on a swing constitutes a violent anti-Semitic anti-Israeli attack so deserves a shelling. It really is one of many inexcusable war crimes committed. And they do the same thing every few years now. It's an inward looking almost-rogue state on that side of The Med now. Self-destructive even perhaps. Israel is fast losing the goodwill it may have expected from various parts of the globe. Israel must exist but it seriously needs to remodel and rebrand itself before it pushes even the US too far.
Imagine you weren't born into a comfortable life in Devon and you lived in South Israel where throughout your life, those peace loving Palestinians had lobbed rockets at you, kidnapped your family and friends and had a constitution that stated they wanted you dead. What would your thoughts be? Given that you were born in Israel and of are just going about your life, would you be happy with the situation? Would you like the threat of death or kidnap hanging over you and your family? What would up do in the second intifada when peace loving Palestinians were urging their young to going into buses and shopping centres and blowing themselves, and everyone around, them indiscriminately? Israel has been clear. The rocket attacks stop and the tunnels are destroyed. Then there will be talks. Hamas cares not for its people. It cares for power. Why did Hamas stop it's own ceasefire a few days ago? If it cared about its people it would do more to stop Israeli bombing.
Of course, the fact that many Israeli citizens grow up in houses built on land stollen from Palestinians should not matter. Neither should the Palestinians resent the ethnic cleansing of their lands. Everyone should just accept the status quo? Palestinian beligerance is self explanatory.So much hatred cannot be contained without bloodshed. Israel's current belligerance is it's traditional response to the situation and is also explainable as a training exercise for the current generation of soldiers before they have to take on ISIS.
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| ghosteagle 29 Jul 14 4.08pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 29 Jul 2014 2.43pm
Quote Kermit8 at 28 Jul 2014 9.30pm
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Quote Kermit8 at 28 Jul 2014 8.12pm
Stirling - Danny's 'Jon Snow' link is well worth watching. Only three minutes.
It just shows the injustice of war. How is our inaction on children dying in this action any different to Syrian children dying? Was hardly anyone supporting anything being done about that? The innocent die when guns or shells are fired.....That will always be the case.
It's a cop out. They are waging war on a very weak adversary in comparison and for every Hamas fighter they get with their guesswork like shelling it seems to be twenty or more civilians die of which a significant amount are very young. Israel are not under threat of invasion from Gaza or from weapons of mass destruction. So why are they being so belligerent and violent against a people where the vast majority of whom who have become casualties are no real danger to them? Unless 8 year olds having the cheek to play on a swing constitutes a violent anti-Semitic anti-Israeli attack so deserves a shelling. It really is one of many inexcusable war crimes committed. And they do the same thing every few years now. It's an inward looking almost-rogue state on that side of The Med now. Self-destructive even perhaps. Israel is fast losing the goodwill it may have expected from various parts of the globe. Israel must exist but it seriously needs to remodel and rebrand itself before it pushes even the US too far.
Imagine you weren't born into a comfortable life in Devon and you lived in South Israel where throughout your life, those peace loving Palestinians had lobbed rockets at you, kidnapped your family and friends and had a constitution that stated they wanted you dead. What would your thoughts be? Given that you were born in Israel and of are just going about your life, would you be happy with the situation? Would you like the threat of death or kidnap hanging over you and your family? What would up do in the second intifada when peace loving Palestinians were urging their young to going into buses and shopping centres and blowing themselves, and everyone around, them indiscriminately? Israel has been clear. The rocket attacks stop and the tunnels are destroyed. Then there will be talks. Hamas cares not for its people. It cares for power. Why did Hamas stop it's own ceasefire a few days ago? If it cared about its people it would do more to stop Israeli bombing.
Nice story, but deceptive and misleading. Most importantly you missed out the first chapter where you steal the Palestinians land and kill their children before fencing them in. And Israel has been very clear. It is determined to smash the people of Palestine until they refute their claim to their own land.
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| matt_himself Matataland 29 Jul 14 4.24pm |
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Have a look at the history of Palestine and Israel. A lot of Palestinians were happy to sell their land to Jewish settlers pre and post 1948. The version being provided is too simplistic. This is, like the Balkans in the 1990's, a conflict we will never truly understand as we don't love there nor are really a part of it.
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| matt_himself Matataland 29 Jul 14 4.27pm |
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Quote ghosteagle at 29 Jul 2014 4.08pm
Quote matt_himself at 29 Jul 2014 2.43pm
Quote Kermit8 at 28 Jul 2014 9.30pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 28 Jul 2014 9.07pm
Quote Kermit8 at 28 Jul 2014 8.12pm
Stirling - Danny's 'Jon Snow' link is well worth watching. Only three minutes.
It just shows the injustice of war. How is our inaction on children dying in this action any different to Syrian children dying? Was hardly anyone supporting anything being done about that? The innocent die when guns or shells are fired.....That will always be the case.
It's a cop out. They are waging war on a very weak adversary in comparison and for every Hamas fighter they get with their guesswork like shelling it seems to be twenty or more civilians die of which a significant amount are very young. Israel are not under threat of invasion from Gaza or from weapons of mass destruction. So why are they being so belligerent and violent against a people where the vast majority of whom who have become casualties are no real danger to them? Unless 8 year olds having the cheek to play on a swing constitutes a violent anti-Semitic anti-Israeli attack so deserves a shelling. It really is one of many inexcusable war crimes committed. And they do the same thing every few years now. It's an inward looking almost-rogue state on that side of The Med now. Self-destructive even perhaps. Israel is fast losing the goodwill it may have expected from various parts of the globe. Israel must exist but it seriously needs to remodel and rebrand itself before it pushes even the US too far.
Imagine you weren't born into a comfortable life in Devon and you lived in South Israel where throughout your life, those peace loving Palestinians had lobbed rockets at you, kidnapped your family and friends and had a constitution that stated they wanted you dead. What would your thoughts be? Given that you were born in Israel and of are just going about your life, would you be happy with the situation? Would you like the threat of death or kidnap hanging over you and your family? What would up do in the second intifada when peace loving Palestinians were urging their young to going into buses and shopping centres and blowing themselves, and everyone around, them indiscriminately? Israel has been clear. The rocket attacks stop and the tunnels are destroyed. Then there will be talks. Hamas cares not for its people. It cares for power. Why did Hamas stop it's own ceasefire a few days ago? If it cared about its people it would do more to stop Israeli bombing.
Nice story, but deceptive and misleading. Most importantly you missed out the first chapter where you steal the Palestinians land and kill their children before fencing them in. And Israel has been very clear. It is determined to smash the people of Palestine until they refute their claim to their own land.
So back to you - do you think Hamas really cares for its people or really cares about power?
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| ghosteagle 29 Jul 14 4.28pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 29 Jul 2014 4.24pm
Have a look at the history of Palestine and Israel. A lot of Palestinians were happy to sell their land to Jewish settlers pre and post 1948. The version being provided is too simplistic. This is, like the Balkans in the 1990's, a conflict we will never truly understand as we don't love there nor are really a part of it. So, i can't have a moral opinion on the murder of children unless i've lived in the country of the murderer. Weird. Does this apply to any other crimes or just the slaughter of the innocent?
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| ghosteagle 29 Jul 14 4.31pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 29 Jul 2014 4.27pm
Quote ghosteagle at 29 Jul 2014 4.08pm
Quote matt_himself at 29 Jul 2014 2.43pm
Quote Kermit8 at 28 Jul 2014 9.30pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 28 Jul 2014 9.07pm
Quote Kermit8 at 28 Jul 2014 8.12pm
Stirling - Danny's 'Jon Snow' link is well worth watching. Only three minutes.
It just shows the injustice of war. How is our inaction on children dying in this action any different to Syrian children dying? Was hardly anyone supporting anything being done about that? The innocent die when guns or shells are fired.....That will always be the case.
It's a cop out. They are waging war on a very weak adversary in comparison and for every Hamas fighter they get with their guesswork like shelling it seems to be twenty or more civilians die of which a significant amount are very young. Israel are not under threat of invasion from Gaza or from weapons of mass destruction. So why are they being so belligerent and violent against a people where the vast majority of whom who have become casualties are no real danger to them? Unless 8 year olds having the cheek to play on a swing constitutes a violent anti-Semitic anti-Israeli attack so deserves a shelling. It really is one of many inexcusable war crimes committed. And they do the same thing every few years now. It's an inward looking almost-rogue state on that side of The Med now. Self-destructive even perhaps. Israel is fast losing the goodwill it may have expected from various parts of the globe. Israel must exist but it seriously needs to remodel and rebrand itself before it pushes even the US too far.
Imagine you weren't born into a comfortable life in Devon and you lived in South Israel where throughout your life, those peace loving Palestinians had lobbed rockets at you, kidnapped your family and friends and had a constitution that stated they wanted you dead. What would your thoughts be? Given that you were born in Israel and of are just going about your life, would you be happy with the situation? Would you like the threat of death or kidnap hanging over you and your family? What would up do in the second intifada when peace loving Palestinians were urging their young to going into buses and shopping centres and blowing themselves, and everyone around, them indiscriminately? Israel has been clear. The rocket attacks stop and the tunnels are destroyed. Then there will be talks. Hamas cares not for its people. It cares for power. Why did Hamas stop it's own ceasefire a few days ago? If it cared about its people it would do more to stop Israeli bombing.
Nice story, but deceptive and misleading. Most importantly you missed out the first chapter where you steal the Palestinians land and kill their children before fencing them in. And Israel has been very clear. It is determined to smash the people of Palestine until they refute their claim to their own land.
So back to you - do you think Hamas really cares for its people or really cares about power? And Israel has been very clear. It is determined to smash the people of Palestine until they refute their claim to their own land.
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Quote matt_himself at 29 Jul 2014 4.27pm
Quote ghosteagle at 29 Jul 2014 4.08pm
Quote matt_himself at 29 Jul 2014 2.43pm
Quote Kermit8 at 28 Jul 2014 9.30pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 28 Jul 2014 9.07pm
Quote Kermit8 at 28 Jul 2014 8.12pm
Stirling - Danny's 'Jon Snow' link is well worth watching. Only three minutes.
It just shows the injustice of war. How is our inaction on children dying in this action any different to Syrian children dying? Was hardly anyone supporting anything being done about that? The innocent die when guns or shells are fired.....That will always be the case.
It's a cop out. They are waging war on a very weak adversary in comparison and for every Hamas fighter they get with their guesswork like shelling it seems to be twenty or more civilians die of which a significant amount are very young. Israel are not under threat of invasion from Gaza or from weapons of mass destruction. So why are they being so belligerent and violent against a people where the vast majority of whom who have become casualties are no real danger to them? Unless 8 year olds having the cheek to play on a swing constitutes a violent anti-Semitic anti-Israeli attack so deserves a shelling. It really is one of many inexcusable war crimes committed. And they do the same thing every few years now. It's an inward looking almost-rogue state on that side of The Med now. Self-destructive even perhaps. Israel is fast losing the goodwill it may have expected from various parts of the globe. Israel must exist but it seriously needs to remodel and rebrand itself before it pushes even the US too far.
Imagine you weren't born into a comfortable life in Devon and you lived in South Israel where throughout your life, those peace loving Palestinians had lobbed rockets at you, kidnapped your family and friends and had a constitution that stated they wanted you dead. What would your thoughts be? Given that you were born in Israel and of are just going about your life, would you be happy with the situation? Would you like the threat of death or kidnap hanging over you and your family? What would up do in the second intifada when peace loving Palestinians were urging their young to going into buses and shopping centres and blowing themselves, and everyone around, them indiscriminately? Israel has been clear. The rocket attacks stop and the tunnels are destroyed. Then there will be talks. Hamas cares not for its people. It cares for power. Why did Hamas stop it's own ceasefire a few days ago? If it cared about its people it would do more to stop Israeli bombing.
Nice story, but deceptive and misleading. Most importantly you missed out the first chapter where you steal the Palestinians land and kill their children before fencing them in. And Israel has been very clear. It is determined to smash the people of Palestine until they refute their claim to their own land.
So the offensive will apparently stop, but what about the bulldozing of Palestinian houses, restriction on trade/imports etc? How are the Palestinian people supposed to have any quality of life, even without Israel murdering their people? Will Israel give back the land that it took? Israel are creating new Hamas recruits every time they kill the innocent, as well as wrecking any long-term support from the rest of the world. Even American is starting to waiver in their 100% support.
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| matt_himself Matataland 29 Jul 14 4.43pm |
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Quote jcreedy at 29 Jul 2014 4.33pm
Quote matt_himself at 29 Jul 2014 4.27pm
Quote ghosteagle at 29 Jul 2014 4.08pm
Quote matt_himself at 29 Jul 2014 2.43pm
Quote Kermit8 at 28 Jul 2014 9.30pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 28 Jul 2014 9.07pm
Quote Kermit8 at 28 Jul 2014 8.12pm
Stirling - Danny's 'Jon Snow' link is well worth watching. Only three minutes.
It just shows the injustice of war. How is our inaction on children dying in this action any different to Syrian children dying? Was hardly anyone supporting anything being done about that? The innocent die when guns or shells are fired.....That will always be the case.
It's a cop out. They are waging war on a very weak adversary in comparison and for every Hamas fighter they get with their guesswork like shelling it seems to be twenty or more civilians die of which a significant amount are very young. Israel are not under threat of invasion from Gaza or from weapons of mass destruction. So why are they being so belligerent and violent against a people where the vast majority of whom who have become casualties are no real danger to them? Unless 8 year olds having the cheek to play on a swing constitutes a violent anti-Semitic anti-Israeli attack so deserves a shelling. It really is one of many inexcusable war crimes committed. And they do the same thing every few years now. It's an inward looking almost-rogue state on that side of The Med now. Self-destructive even perhaps. Israel is fast losing the goodwill it may have expected from various parts of the globe. Israel must exist but it seriously needs to remodel and rebrand itself before it pushes even the US too far.
Imagine you weren't born into a comfortable life in Devon and you lived in South Israel where throughout your life, those peace loving Palestinians had lobbed rockets at you, kidnapped your family and friends and had a constitution that stated they wanted you dead. What would your thoughts be? Given that you were born in Israel and of are just going about your life, would you be happy with the situation? Would you like the threat of death or kidnap hanging over you and your family? What would up do in the second intifada when peace loving Palestinians were urging their young to going into buses and shopping centres and blowing themselves, and everyone around, them indiscriminately? Israel has been clear. The rocket attacks stop and the tunnels are destroyed. Then there will be talks. Hamas cares not for its people. It cares for power. Why did Hamas stop it's own ceasefire a few days ago? If it cared about its people it would do more to stop Israeli bombing.
Nice story, but deceptive and misleading. Most importantly you missed out the first chapter where you steal the Palestinians land and kill their children before fencing them in. And Israel has been very clear. It is determined to smash the people of Palestine until they refute their claim to their own land.
So the offensive will apparently stop, but what about the bulldozing of Palestinian houses, restriction on trade/imports etc? How are the Palestinian people supposed to have any quality of life, even without Israel murdering their people? Will Israel give back the land that it took? Israel are creating new Hamas recruits every time they kill the innocent, as well as wrecking any long-term support from the rest of the world. Even American is starting to waiver in their 100% support.
I don't disagree with a bunch of the stuff you are saying bit if I was Palestinian, and I am truly grateful that I am not because of what is happening, I would be disgusted with the actions of my 'government' as they are not bargaining, are not offering deals and seem content with the Israeli bombings as the more dead on their side means their elite continues to rule. It is a f***ing sad state of affairs and at the end of the day, the ordinary folk, both sides of the border, pay for it. Edited by matt_himself (29 Jul 2014 4.44pm)
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| jcreedy 29 Jul 14 4.49pm |
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I'm not defending Hamas sending rockets into Israel, but I'd argue that after years or the Palestinians and their land being slowly eroded, you can understand why they are rather pissed. If my family were killed, my houses destroyed, friends kidnapped, I'd probably be fully behind rocketing the people that did it. Everyone fights for a cause. If Israel was to accept how badly it's behaved and gave in to some of Hamas' demands, opened borders, gave back land, there'd be hope for peace and a lot fewer reasons for Hamas aggression.
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| matt_himself Matataland 29 Jul 14 4.57pm |
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Quote jcreedy at 29 Jul 2014 4.49pm
I'm not defending Hamas sending rockets into Israel, but I'd argue that after years or the Palestinians and their land being slowly eroded, you can understand why they are rather pissed. If my family were killed, my houses destroyed, friends kidnapped, I'd probably be fully behind rocketing the people that did it. Everyone fights for a cause. If Israel was to accept how badly it's behaved and gave in to some of Hamas' demands, opened borders, gave back land, there'd be hope for peace and a lot fewer reasons for Hamas aggression.
I can completely understand why Palestinians would be pissed off and angry. I can't understand why think it is in their interests to have Hamas as their government. Hamas appears only to be interested in its own power, not stopping the bloodshed.
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| ghosteagle 29 Jul 14 5.06pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 29 Jul 2014 4.57pm
Quote jcreedy at 29 Jul 2014 4.49pm
I'm not defending Hamas sending rockets into Israel, but I'd argue that after years or the Palestinians and their land being slowly eroded, you can understand why they are rather pissed. If my family were killed, my houses destroyed, friends kidnapped, I'd probably be fully behind rocketing the people that did it. Everyone fights for a cause. If Israel was to accept how badly it's behaved and gave in to some of Hamas' demands, opened borders, gave back land, there'd be hope for peace and a lot fewer reasons for Hamas aggression.
I can completely understand why Palestinians would be pissed off and angry. I can't understand why think it is in their interests to have Hamas as their government. Hamas appears only to be interested in its own power, not stopping the bloodshed. From a Palestinian viewpoint it seems that Hamas are the only group that will stand-up too and strike back at Israel. Also, the Palestinians have no faith in the words of Israel as they have been lied too so many times before.
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