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 matt_himself  Matataland 29 Jul 14 7.44pm |
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Quote davidpercival at 29 Jul 2014 7.03pm
So as long as people accept that Israel have thew right to occupy another country for decades and do not raise a finger to oppose them Israel in their infinite kindness will not blow up hundreds of children. What nice guys. The lie that this is about dealing with a few "militants" is finally exposed today when Israel destroyed Gaza's only power station. How is that supposed to defend Israel? it is about smashing every last bit of opposition to their land grabbing. Sanctions are imposed against Russia because of an accidental shooting down of a plane that killed nearly 300 people. Israel over the last three weeks has killed thre times that fisgue of civilians yet any mention of boycotting Israel is greeted wioth horror. How do you defenders of Israel sleep at night? Quote matt_himself at 29 Jul 2014 4.27pm
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Stirling - Danny's 'Jon Snow' link is well worth watching. Only three minutes.
It just shows the injustice of war. How is our inaction on children dying in this action any different to Syrian children dying? Was hardly anyone supporting anything being done about that? The innocent die when guns or shells are fired.....That will always be the case.
It's a cop out. They are waging war on a very weak adversary in comparison and for every Hamas fighter they get with their guesswork like shelling it seems to be twenty or more civilians die of which a significant amount are very young. Israel are not under threat of invasion from Gaza or from weapons of mass destruction. So why are they being so belligerent and violent against a people where the vast majority of whom who have become casualties are no real danger to them? Unless 8 year olds having the cheek to play on a swing constitutes a violent anti-Semitic anti-Israeli attack so deserves a shelling. It really is one of many inexcusable war crimes committed. And they do the same thing every few years now. It's an inward looking almost-rogue state on that side of The Med now. Self-destructive even perhaps. Israel is fast losing the goodwill it may have expected from various parts of the globe. Israel must exist but it seriously needs to remodel and rebrand itself before it pushes even the US too far.
Imagine you weren't born into a comfortable life in Devon and you lived in South Israel where throughout your life, those peace loving Palestinians had lobbed rockets at you, kidnapped your family and friends and had a constitution that stated they wanted you dead. What would your thoughts be? Given that you were born in Israel and of are just going about your life, would you be happy with the situation? Would you like the threat of death or kidnap hanging over you and your family? What would up do in the second intifada when peace loving Palestinians were urging their young to going into buses and shopping centres and blowing themselves, and everyone around, them indiscriminately? Israel has been clear. The rocket attacks stop and the tunnels are destroyed. Then there will be talks. Hamas cares not for its people. It cares for power. Why did Hamas stop it's own ceasefire a few days ago? If it cared about its people it would do more to stop Israeli bombing.
Nice story, but deceptive and misleading. Most importantly you missed out the first chapter where you steal the Palestinians land and kill their children before fencing them in. And Israel has been very clear. It is determined to smash the people of Palestine until they refute their claim to their own land.
So back to you - do you think Hamas really cares for its people or really cares about power?
I do not subscribe to the Israel bad/Palestine good mentality as I believe Hamas to be as bad as any Israeli hawk.
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Have a look at the history of Palestine and Israel. A lot of Palestinians were happy to sell their land to Jewish settlers pre and post 1948. The version being provided is too simplistic. This is, like the Balkans in the 1990's, a conflict we will never truly understand as we don't love there nor are really a part of it. So, i can't have a moral opinion on the murder of children unless i've lived in the country of the murderer. Weird. Does this apply to any other crimes or just the slaughter of the innocent?
I have really got to you, haven't I? Yes, you have. Anyone who is an apologist for the wiping out of a legitimate state, mass murder,or genocide really really "get my goat". Your antithesis would be those beardy blokes that want to go to the Near East to support ISIS, who annoy me just as much. Those idiots that your politics are encouraging.
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| Southampton_Eagle At the after party 29 Jul 14 7.59pm |
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F*ck Israel & f*ck Hamas. France can f*ck off n'all.
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| pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 29 Jul 14 8.07pm |
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Quote Southampton_Eagle at 29 Jul 2014 7.59pm
F*ck Israel & f*ck Hamas. France can f*ck off n'all.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Jul 14 8.10pm |
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Quote Southampton_Eagle at 29 Jul 2014 7.59pm
F*ck Israel & f*ck Hamas. France can f*ck off n'all.
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| matt_himself Matataland 29 Jul 14 8.20pm |
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Have a look at the history of Palestine and Israel. A lot of Palestinians were happy to sell their land to Jewish settlers pre and post 1948. The version being provided is too simplistic. This is, like the Balkans in the 1990's, a conflict we will never truly understand as we don't love there nor are really a part of it. So, i can't have a moral opinion on the murder of children unless i've lived in the country of the murderer. Weird. Does this apply to any other crimes or just the slaughter of the innocent?
I have really got to you, haven't I? Yes, you have. Anyone who is an apologist for the wiping out of a legitimate state, mass murder,or genocide really really "get my goat". Your antithesis would be those beardy blokes that want to go to the Near East to support ISIS, who annoy me just as much. Those idiots that your politics are encouraging.
I have consistently said throughout these threads that my sympathies lie with the ordinary people of both sides, I believe that both their leaderships are c***s and that Israel is fact, just as much as Palestine is a fact. What I don't subscribe too is Israel bad, Palestine good. The situation is too complex for that easy analogy.
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| matt_himself Matataland 29 Jul 14 8.20pm |
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Quote Southampton_Eagle at 29 Jul 2014 7.59pm
F*ck Israel & f*ck Hamas. France can f*ck off n'all.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 29 Jul 14 8.32pm |
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Have a look at the history of Palestine and Israel. A lot of Palestinians were happy to sell their land to Jewish settlers pre and post 1948. The version being provided is too simplistic. This is, like the Balkans in the 1990's, a conflict we will never truly understand as we don't love there nor are really a part of it. So, i can't have a moral opinion on the murder of children unless i've lived in the country of the murderer. Weird. Does this apply to any other crimes or just the slaughter of the innocent?
I have really got to you, haven't I? Yes, you have. Anyone who is an apologist for the wiping out of a legitimate state, mass murder,or genocide really really "get my goat". Your antithesis would be those beardy blokes that want to go to the Near East to support ISIS, who annoy me just as much. Those idiots that your politics are encouraging.
I have consistently said throughout these threads that my sympathies lie with the ordinary people of both sides, I believe that both their leaderships are c***s and that Israel is fact, just as much as Palestine is a fact. What I don't subscribe too is Israel bad, Palestine good. The situation is too complex for that easy analogy. Good to see that this thread has changed your opinion, nobody is right or wrong, nor is blame an exercise in equality, nor condoning asymmetrical war ethical or pretty; however your grasp of Operation Protective edge is minimal. Perhaps if you have one of your visits to Hebron, you may be close to Gaza enough that you may get an update to give you an update.
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| matt_himself Matataland 29 Jul 14 8.52pm |
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Have a look at the history of Palestine and Israel. A lot of Palestinians were happy to sell their land to Jewish settlers pre and post 1948. The version being provided is too simplistic. This is, like the Balkans in the 1990's, a conflict we will never truly understand as we don't love there nor are really a part of it. So, i can't have a moral opinion on the murder of children unless i've lived in the country of the murderer. Weird. Does this apply to any other crimes or just the slaughter of the innocent?
I have really got to you, haven't I? Yes, you have. Anyone who is an apologist for the wiping out of a legitimate state, mass murder,or genocide really really "get my goat". Your antithesis would be those beardy blokes that want to go to the Near East to support ISIS, who annoy me just as much. Those idiots that your politics are encouraging.
I have consistently said throughout these threads that my sympathies lie with the ordinary people of both sides, I believe that both their leaderships are c***s and that Israel is fact, just as much as Palestine is a fact. What I don't subscribe too is Israel bad, Palestine good. The situation is too complex for that easy analogy. Good to see that this thread has changed your opinion, nobody is right or wrong, nor is blame an exercise in equality, nor condoning asymmetrical war ethical or pretty; however your grasp of Operation Protective edge is minimal. Perhaps if you have one of your visits to Hebron, you may be close to Gaza enough that you may get an update to give you an update. Don't try and pat yourself on the back. I have been consistent throughout these threads. These threads wouldn't change my mind because people like yourself and Gusset are so quick to label Israel and Israelis as bad. Keep digging about me. It is pisspoor and as intellectually bankrupt as Gusset's 'blah blah blah, you want to see people suffer don't you' posts.
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| StainesPalace Staines 29 Jul 14 9.08pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 26 Jul 2014 11.51pm
This showed up on Twitter. Stirling, did you write it.? Maybe you should be explaining why you haven't posted against the posters on here supporting Hamas's constitution. Personally I do feel there has been anti semitism on this thread....Maybe not from you (after you stated you don't support Hamas firing rockets) but from certain others . I don't support any innocent dying......This action led to that.....Attacks upon facilities that should be safe need to be investigated. However support for Hamas.....That you somehow seem not to have read on this thread.....Is also wrong headed.....And most have stayed silent.
Edited by dannyh (28 Jul 2014 7.45am)
My point is that no such thing happened here, yet innocent children where targeted by Israel on purpose while the rest of the world (and you it would seem) shrug their collective shoulders and say "it's all HAMA's fault." for lobbing over a few unguided rockets, which by the way are about as effective a weapon as a wet piece of lettuce since the US financed their air defence system based on patriot. Meanwhile the death toll of children just keeps going up and up in Gaza, why don’t you stop being king Canute for one minute and watch Dan Snow’s report, then tell me Israel aren’t the archetypal school ground bully going around killing who they like completely and utterly unchecked. I know and understand (even though according to you I’m illiterate) that HAMAS are no Angles but comparatively speaking, the Israeli armed forces makes HAMAS look like Mrs Doubtfire on prozac.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 Jul 14 9.13pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 29 Jul 2014 8.52pm
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Have a look at the history of Palestine and Israel. A lot of Palestinians were happy to sell their land to Jewish settlers pre and post 1948. The version being provided is too simplistic. This is, like the Balkans in the 1990's, a conflict we will never truly understand as we don't love there nor are really a part of it. So, i can't have a moral opinion on the murder of children unless i've lived in the country of the murderer. Weird. Does this apply to any other crimes or just the slaughter of the innocent?
I have really got to you, haven't I? Yes, you have. Anyone who is an apologist for the wiping out of a legitimate state, mass murder,or genocide really really "get my goat". Your antithesis would be those beardy blokes that want to go to the Near East to support ISIS, who annoy me just as much. Those idiots that your politics are encouraging.
I have consistently said throughout these threads that my sympathies lie with the ordinary people of both sides, I believe that both their leaderships are c***s and that Israel is fact, just as much as Palestine is a fact. What I don't subscribe too is Israel bad, Palestine good. The situation is too complex for that easy analogy. Good to see that this thread has changed your opinion, nobody is right or wrong, nor is blame an exercise in equality, nor condoning asymmetrical war ethical or pretty; however your grasp of Operation Protective edge is minimal. Perhaps if you have one of your visits to Hebron, you may be close to Gaza enough that you may get an update to give you an update. Don't try and pat yourself on the back. I have been consistent throughout these threads. These threads wouldn't change my mind because people like yourself and Gusset are so quick to label Israel and Israelis as bad. Keep digging about me. It is pisspoor and as intellectually bankrupt as Gusset's 'blah blah blah, you want to see people suffer don't you' posts. You haven't been consistent matt. As for your charge of me saying Israelis are bad. You are wrong. I have said I am against the right wing Israeli government, as I have also said I deplore Hamas. Get your facts right before dishing out insults.
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| pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 29 Jul 14 9.15pm |
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Have a look at the history of Palestine and Israel. A lot of Palestinians were happy to sell their land to Jewish settlers pre and post 1948. The version being provided is too simplistic. This is, like the Balkans in the 1990's, a conflict we will never truly understand as we don't love there nor are really a part of it. So, i can't have a moral opinion on the murder of children unless i've lived in the country of the murderer. Weird. Does this apply to any other crimes or just the slaughter of the innocent?
I have really got to you, haven't I? Yes, you have. Anyone who is an apologist for the wiping out of a legitimate state, mass murder,or genocide really really "get my goat". Your antithesis would be those beardy blokes that want to go to the Near East to support ISIS, who annoy me just as much. Those idiots that your politics are encouraging.
I have consistently said throughout these threads that my sympathies lie with the ordinary people of both sides, I believe that both their leaderships are c***s and that Israel is fact, just as much as Palestine is a fact. What I don't subscribe too is Israel bad, Palestine good. The situation is too complex for that easy analogy. Good to see that this thread has changed your opinion, nobody is right or wrong, nor is blame an exercise in equality, nor condoning asymmetrical war ethical or pretty; however your grasp of Operation Protective edge is minimal. Perhaps if you have one of your visits to Hebron, you may be close to Gaza enough that you may get an update to give you an update. Don't try and pat yourself on the back. I have been consistent throughout these threads. These threads wouldn't change my mind because people like yourself and Gusset are so quick to label Israel and Israelis as bad. Keep digging about me. It is pisspoor and as intellectually bankrupt as Gusset's 'blah blah blah, you want to see people suffer don't you' posts.
You just need to review my post with Stirling to know that your wrong in respect of my opinion of a State of Israel; however, Protective Edge, tell us what your many friends in Hebron think?
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