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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 27 Jan 14 9.14am

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Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 Jan 2014 9.13am

Its their club and their money, if they want to take a more hands on approch and govern the club thats their right. If there is any issue, which I doubt, Pulis is their employee - He needs to either get with the plan, or hand in his resignation.

Only in football do you have a situation where the manager considers himself to be the de facto power over all aspects of the business, and totally unsubstantiated rumours and speculation are treated as being absolute.

Not much action in the transfer window, journalists will create a story.


Quite. I don't understand why everyone is having a go at Palace fans who have pumped in millions of their own money for 'lacking ambition' because they only signed sixteen players in the summer.

It's getting absolutely ridiculous, some of our fans appear to have about three brain cells.

 


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View sydtheeagle's Profile sydtheeagle Flag England 27 Jan 14 9.48am Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Jamie:

1. Its their club and their money, if they want to take a more hands on approch and govern the club thats their right.

Of course it is. But it's also our right to comment and criticise. That's what football's all about.


2. If there is any issue, which I doubt, Pulis is their employee - He needs to either get with the plan, or hand in his resignation.

It is silly to doubt there's an issue. Neither of us know whether there is or not, but Pulis' very public comments about his expectations in the transfer market make it quite reasonable to suspect there might be. As for your second observation, why should he just up and quit if he doesn't get what he feels he needs? Surely we need a competent manager, one who knows more about football than the board, and one who's prepared to fight for what he believes is right? Even you cannot want a lap dog running the football side of the club. That would mean a board that knows little about football would be making all the football decisions. Hardly a recipe for success.

3. Only in football do you have a situation where the manager considers himself to be the de facto power over all aspects of the business

I've seen no evidence that Pulis wants to run "all aspects" of the business. I have yet to see him comment on building new stands, re-furnishing the bars, broadening the catering menus, relocating the club shop, or lowering ticket prices. To the best of my knowledge, he simply wants power over the part of the club that delivers the results that he is personally judged on. Can't see why you have a problem with that. Hospital CEOs don't tell surgeons how to operate, do they?

 


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maxipalace Flag in a box 27 Jan 14 9.50am

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Quote essetwentyone at 26 Jan 2014 11.56pm

Why are people always criticising CPFC 2010 and talking us down? Quoting Millwall supporters of all things!!!!!
SP and the others have done nothing but good and they have my full confidence. FFS don't bother reading stupid paper gossip or giving any credence to rumours - just give the board and the team your 100% support.

Edited by essetwentyone (26 Jan 2014 11.57pm)

I think that any 'criticism' is borne of frustration.

More by accident than design the board have appointed a man who of the bottom 10 teams is the man most likely to keep a side up.

That man has managed, by organising some very limited players, to give us a veryy good chance of stayimg up.

Now it would appear that there is a logjam in terms of siging the one or two pieces of quality that would allow him to push on and up the odds on us actually staying ini this division for the first time in our history...its the old 'typical Palace' scenario that when we seem just at the point to 'take off' we always internally find a way to implode..and I suspect most are worried that we are doing it again

Now I dont take a word that the papers print as gospel (esp the piss-poor Mirror) but the fact remains Pulis was very specific about getting his business 'done early' - something that hasnt happened, so it does suggest all isnt right somewhere and if thats the case what a shame and another missed opportunity


signing players dosent garauntee safety just makes the manager feel more secure. QPR spunked millions. my feeling is that new signings arent going to make any difference and that pulis could utilise the squad better.

 

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Quote The Sash at 27 Jan 2014 8.58am

Quote essetwentyone at 26 Jan 2014 11.56pm

Why are people always criticising CPFC 2010 and talking us down? Quoting Millwall supporters of all things!!!!!
SP and the others have done nothing but good and they have my full confidence. FFS don't bother reading stupid paper gossip or giving any credence to rumours - just give the board and the team your 100% support.

Edited by essetwentyone (26 Jan 2014 11.57pm)

I think that any 'criticism' is borne of frustration.

More by accident than design the board have appointed a man who of the bottom 10 teams is the man most likely to keep a side up.

That man has managed, by organising some very limited players, to give us a veryy good chance of stayimg up.

Now it would appear that there is a logjam in terms of siging the one or two pieces of quality that would allow him to push on and up the odds on us actually staying ini this division for the first time in our history...its the old 'typical Palace' scenario that when we seem just at the point to 'take off' we always internally find a way to implode..and I suspect most are worried that we are doing it again

Now I dont take a word that the papers print as gospel (esp the piss-poor Mirror) but the fact remains Pulis was very specific about getting his business 'done early' - something that hasnt happened, so it does suggest all isnt right somewhere and if thats the case what a shame and another missed opportunity

I fully understand and feel the frustration that we have so far not managed to add any quality to the squad but I'm sure no more than SP , the board ,TP and a host of other managers in the Prem. It is a very difficult time and the whole concept of having transfer windows puts players and their agents in the driving seat.
Of course TP wanted to sign players early in the window
- who wouldn't want to have deals lined up ready for signature on Jan 1st - but it just isn't that easy !

SP has gone on record saying that he is fully aware that we have always blown our Prem status before and that he wants to build a firm basis for progress this time. I also have no doubt that when TP took the job he was under no false impression that we had a sugar daddy to dosh out money like Hull or Cardiff - he knew the score because there was no point in SP feeding him bullsh1t.
It's a difficult time but we need to have faith in these owners and the manager who have all been brilliant for the club so far. We fans may get frustrated just like them but we need to stick together and keep going without all of this constant sniping and posting rumours and rubbish from gutter press.

 

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maxipalace Flag in a box 27 Jan 14 9.54am

Pulis is going to stay until end of the season. If we stay up he earns a reported 2 million bonus. If he does it without signings he will have proved that we didnt need to sign anybody.

I find it refreshing when a manager says we dont need anybody i am confident we have a good enough squad.

 

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The only real alternative is that Parish sells the club to a richer owner so we can buy in the players we need. I'm sure Parish is the poorest chairman in the PL by quite some distance but on the other hand the fans like him because he is a supporter himself and wouldn't do anything to damage the club. I don't think we can have it both ways unless some rich billionaire happens to be twiddling his thumbs in Sydenham and wants to take over.

Edited by redpalace91 (27 Jan 2014 9.55am)

 

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Quote maxipalace at 27 Jan 2014 9.50am

Quote The Sash at 27 Jan 2014 8.58am

Quote essetwentyone at 26 Jan 2014 11.56pm

Why are people always criticising CPFC 2010 and talking us down? Quoting Millwall supporters of all things!!!!!
SP and the others have done nothing but good and they have my full confidence. FFS don't bother reading stupid paper gossip or giving any credence to rumours - just give the board and the team your 100% support.

Edited by essetwentyone (26 Jan 2014 11.57pm)

I think that any 'criticism' is borne of frustration.

More by accident than design the board have appointed a man who of the bottom 10 teams is the man most likely to keep a side up.

That man has managed, by organising some very limited players, to give us a veryy good chance of stayimg up.

Now it would appear that there is a logjam in terms of siging the one or two pieces of quality that would allow him to push on and up the odds on us actually staying ini this division for the first time in our history...its the old 'typical Palace' scenario that when we seem just at the point to 'take off' we always internally find a way to implode..and I suspect most are worried that we are doing it again

Now I dont take a word that the papers print as gospel (esp the piss-poor Mirror) but the fact remains Pulis was very specific about getting his business 'done early' - something that hasnt happened, so it does suggest all isnt right somewhere and if thats the case what a shame and another missed opportunity


signing players dosent garauntee safety just makes the manager feel more secure. QPR spunked millions. my feeling is that new signings arent going to make any difference and that pulis could utilise the squad better.

No it doesnt, neither does doing nothing, however we ALL know that we are lacking in both quality and depth in some areas so some signings just simply have to be made...its not Pulis fault that the previous fisaco of 16 players in happened in August and that it was a case of quantity over quality in spades

QPR spunked millions and went down - other clubs spent very wisely and stayed up with room to spare so as an analogy it doesnt quite work - you can only apply the buy or no buy scenario to your club and its circumstances..only the most crashingly unaware would argue we dont need to buy / loan some goals, some depth and some guile...and who knows we may be the side who stays up with room to spare


 


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Quote redpalace91 at 27 Jan 2014 9.55am

The only real alternative is that Parish sells the club to a richer owner so we can buy in the players we need. I'm sure Parish is the poorest chairman in the PL

Parish is NOT the sole-owner, there are 4 in CPFC2010 !
And he is Joint-Chairman with Steve Browett being the other one.
And YES CPFC2010 would sell to the right owner if it was in the interests of the club.


 

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Quote Willo at 27 Jan 2014 11.03am

YES CPFC2010 would sell to the right owner if it was in the interests of the club.


And who decides if it's in the best interests of the club?


 

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I hate these transfer windows - very unsettling.

Okay we haven't signed anyone but neither have we lost anyone of any significance.

It's not as if we are in a desperate situation. Look at the table. A win against Hull would make things even better.

For sure its is going to be a desperate fight amongst 9/10 sides to stay up and a couple of astute buys wouldn't go amiss. However, the squad we have has been doing a great job and new signings don't always turn out to the miracle panacea we wish them to be.

I am old enough to remember the 72/72 season when Bert Head bought in Don Rogers, Alan Whittle, Derek Possee and others in a bid to retain Div 1 status. These buys gave us what appeared to be a much stronger line-up. Result? relegation.

 

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Quote Ian J at 27 Jan 2014 11.25am

And who decides if it's in the best interests of the club?

I suspect that this will be a decision for CPFC2010 as a whole and not just Parish.

 

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