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View johnfirewall's Profile johnfirewall Flag 05 Apr 15 2.19pm Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

"Children in 2015 should not be hungry and coming to school with no socks on and no coats - some children are living in Victorian conditions - in the inner cities," said one unnamed teacher.

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Nick?

To be fair a teacher at my Mum's school sorted new clothes for a kid, who then came in the next day with the same old ones. The father was a scumbag by all accounts and had likely sold them, and not to put food on the table. (Pre-coalition BTW)

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Apr 15 2.53pm

Wrong union. But what the report says is about right.

 

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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 05 Apr 15 4.16pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Sorry but that's not to do with poverty, that's s***ty parenting.

Times are tough for some people, no doubt and whilst you can argue the pros and cons of the current benefit system there's enough to stop this from happening.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Apr 15 4.20pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 05 Apr 2015 4.16pm

Sorry but that's not to do with poverty, that's s***ty parenting.

Times are tough for some people, no doubt and whilst you can argue the pros and cons of the current benefit system there's enough to stop this from happening.


Go on...

 

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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 05 Apr 15 4.33pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 05 Apr 2015 4.20pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 05 Apr 2015 4.16pm

Sorry but that's not to do with poverty, that's s***ty parenting.

Times are tough for some people, no doubt and whilst you can argue the pros and cons of the current benefit system there's enough to stop this from happening.


Go on...

I will qualify the "s***ty" bit. Poor would have been better. The reality is that too many families (both poor and wealthy) don't have the skills to raise a family if it doesn't involve spending money. So when the money stops, people cannot/will not adapt.

Cooking skills, haberdashery etc have almost vanished in a single generation. By today's measure, I grew up in poverty for a large part of my childhood. having meat with a meal would besides a Sunday chicken usually be offal or pigs trotters until I was 12 and got a job on a farm.

Instead of throwing money at the problem improve life skills.
Also bearing in mind the survey was for a teaching Union, the result is Hadley surprising.

 


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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Matataland 05 Apr 15 5.10pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

A union issues the findings of a survey of its members denouncing the state of 'Cameron's Britain' during an election. What could their motives be?

 


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Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 05 Apr 2015 4.16pm

Sorry but that's not to do with poverty, that's s***ty parenting.

Times are tough for some people, no doubt and whilst you can argue the pros and cons of the current benefit system there's enough to stop this from happening.


This is clearly neglect, and any teacher not reporting it immediately is complicit to that neglect.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Apr 15 7.06pm

Quote chris123 at 05 Apr 2015 6.01pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 05 Apr 2015 4.16pm

Sorry but that's not to do with poverty, that's s***ty parenting.

Times are tough for some people, no doubt and whilst you can argue the pros and cons of the current benefit system there's enough to stop this from happening.


This is clearly neglect, and any teacher not reporting it immediately is complicit to that neglect.


Really? Do you think people do this deliberately?
As such, teachers are required to report this sort of thing and they do. However, are you expecting children to be taken away from their families because the family have to choose between food or clothes.
Next you'll be proposing we bring back workhouses.

 

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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 05 Apr 15 7.21pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 05 Apr 2015 7.06pm

Quote chris123 at 05 Apr 2015 6.01pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 05 Apr 2015 4.16pm

Sorry but that's not to do with poverty, that's s***ty parenting.

Times are tough for some people, no doubt and whilst you can argue the pros and cons of the current benefit system there's enough to stop this from happening.


This is clearly neglect, and any teacher not reporting it immediately is complicit to that neglect.


Really? Do you think people do this deliberately?
As such, teachers are required to report this sort of thing and they do. However, are you expecting children to be taken away from their families because the family have to choose between food or clothes.
Next you'll be proposing we bring back workhouses.


Well not meeting a child's basic needs is neglect - and a responsible adult, who is passive and does nothing, is complicit in my view. I can't believe you don't agree.

 

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View Ibanez's Profile Ibanez 05 Apr 15 7.25pm Send a Private Message to Ibanez Add Ibanez as a friend

Lets be honest here, if a child doesn't have a pair of socks then the responsibility lies with the parents.

 

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View elgrande's Profile elgrande Flag bedford 05 Apr 15 7.34pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 05 Apr 2015 7.06pm

Quote chris123 at 05 Apr 2015 6.01pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 05 Apr 2015 4.16pm

Sorry but that's not to do with poverty, that's s***ty parenting.

Times are tough for some people, no doubt and whilst you can argue the pros and cons of the current benefit system there's enough to stop this from happening.


This is clearly neglect, and any teacher not reporting it immediately is complicit to that neglect.


Really? Do you think people do this deliberately?
As such, teachers are required to report this sort of thing and they do. However, are you expecting children to be taken away from their families because the family have to choose between food or clothes.
Next you'll be proposing we bring back workhouses.


Or clothes for their children,or fags for themselves.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Apr 15 7.39pm

Quote chris123 at 05 Apr 2015 7.21pm

Quote nickgusset at 05 Apr 2015 7.06pm

Quote chris123 at 05 Apr 2015 6.01pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 05 Apr 2015 4.16pm

Sorry but that's not to do with poverty, that's s***ty parenting.

Times are tough for some people, no doubt and whilst you can argue the pros and cons of the current benefit system there's enough to stop this from happening.


This is clearly neglect, and any teacher not reporting it immediately is complicit to that neglect.


Really? Do you think people do this deliberately?
As such, teachers are required to report this sort of thing and they do. However, are you expecting children to be taken away from their families because the family have to choose between food or clothes.
Next you'll be proposing we bring back workhouses.


Well not meeting a child's basic needs is neglect - and a responsible adult, who is passive and does nothing, is complicit in my view. I can't believe you don't agree.


I do agree. However if you cannot afford to is it still neglect?
People are too quick to judge.

 

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