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 OldFella  London 21 Oct 15 11.34pm |
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"Those who can,do;those who can't,teach" George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman.
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| Sportyteacher London 22 Oct 15 6.13am |
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Quote OldFella at 21 Oct 2015 11.34pm
"Those who can,do;those who can't,teach" George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman. He harboured a lifelong animosity toward schools and teachers, saying, "Schools and schoolmasters, as we have them today, are not popular as places of education and teachers, but rather prisons and turnkeys in which children are kept to prevent them disturbing and chaperoning their parents." (Wikipedia) Shaw wouldn't have the first clue of teaching today.
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| Sportyteacher London 22 Oct 15 6.17am |
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Quote Sportyteacher at 22 Oct 2015 6.13am
Quote OldFella at 21 Oct 2015 11.34pm
"Those who can,do;those who can't,teach" George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman. He harboured a lifelong animosity toward schools and teachers, saying, "Schools and schoolmasters, as we have them today, are not popular as places of education and teachers, but rather prisons and turnkeys in which children are kept to prevent them disturbing and chaperoning their parents." (Wikipedia) Shaw wouldn't have the first clue of teaching today. And before it is said, I know that Shaw has been dead for well over fifty years. Let us just say that he would probably rate schools as stifling institutions that bleed both staff and pupils dry of creativity; harmony and fulfilment for all. And where every child is a statistic rather than an individual with emotions and untapped full potential. Thank you Nicky Morgan!
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| chris123 hove actually 22 Oct 15 8.06am |
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Quote Sportyteacher at 22 Oct 2015 6.13am
Quote OldFella at 21 Oct 2015 11.34pm
"Those who can,do;those who can't,teach" George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman. He harboured a lifelong animosity toward schools and teachers, saying, "Schools and schoolmasters, as we have them today, are not popular as places of education and teachers, but rather prisons and turnkeys in which children are kept to prevent them disturbing and chaperoning their parents." (Wikipedia) Shaw wouldn't have the first clue of teaching today.
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The Sash  Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 23 Oct 15 12.15pm |
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Quote DanH at 15 Oct 2015 2.12pm
Quote Stuk at 15 Oct 2015 1.59pm
Of course none of those will be retiring will they? and: Every year, approximately 40,000 new teachers join
That's shocking. You have a girlfriend ?????
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| matt_himself Matataland 23 Oct 15 12.35pm |
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Quote The Sash at 23 Oct 2015 12.15pm
Quote DanH at 15 Oct 2015 2.12pm
Quote Stuk at 15 Oct 2015 1.59pm
Of course none of those will be retiring will they? and: Every year, approximately 40,000 new teachers join
That's shocking. You have a girlfriend ????? I believe the parlance in his 'community' is 'beard'.
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 23 Oct 15 12.45pm |
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Quote The Sash at 23 Oct 2015 12.15pm
Quote DanH at 15 Oct 2015 2.12pm
Quote Stuk at 15 Oct 2015 1.59pm
Of course none of those will be retiring will they? and: Every year, approximately 40,000 new teachers join
That's shocking.
that's one of the perks of the job With the teaching profession unable to tempt the raw talent into training, then somewhere along the line, the education system will need a re-think. Less-qualified teacher ? Look what Public School did for those T W A T S running the country (and by that , I mean ALL politicians of all parties). A bunch of divs who really don't give a fk, except about themselves.
"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak |
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Oct 15 12.52pm |
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Quote DanH at 21 Oct 2015 6.12pm
Quote Stuk at 19 Oct 2015 3.19pm
Quote DanH at 16 Oct 2015 5.18pm
Quote matt_himself at 16 Oct 2015 5.12pm
Quote Stuk at 16 Oct 2015 4.56pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 4.03pm
Quote matt_himself at 16 Oct 2015 3.43pm
Teachers having to work 12 hour days and weekends as well! Welcome to reality. I don't know anyone who works 12 hours a day and weekends, who isn't self employed. I know plenty of employed city workers who dream of just a 12 hour day.
And there is your answer Jamie.
I despair of people in employment who spend their entire time working and have no work/life balance. They certainly aren't idiots, and they have very good lives. Sometimes people's work/life balance is putting in the graft now, while enjoying holidays others could only dream of, and retiring at 50 odd with sod all debt. Or being mortgage free in your 30s/40s.
But each to their own - I'm clocking off now to go and play football with my mates and have a few beers after. Also those people 'dreaming' of twelve hour days, what kind of income are they earning? I don't see that many teachers will be doing those extra hours so they can retiring early, being mortgage free and having no debt. I'd imagine most teachers would be much happier if they were actually paid or otherwise rewarded for those 10-12 hour days. But they aren't. Its the norm, not the exception, it won't make you stand out or even put you on the promotion list. There is no return, no benefit and I'd imagine very little satisfaction from doing a few hours of Ofsted directed paperwork. They're doing those extra hours for free, and the return is f**k all. I've been known to work 12-14 hour days when its been worth it to me (nature of the beast being self employed). But I'm f**ked if I'd do it for nada.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Oct 15 12.59pm |
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Quote OldFella at 21 Oct 2015 11.34pm
"Those who can,do;those who can't,teach" George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman. Of course those that can do were also taught. Which is the classic failure of the rather cute quip. Thing is, some people excel in the theory and instructional aspects of a subject, and typically specialize, where as those who instruct tend to have a broader understanding of the principles. Schools in this country have increasingly replaced education with quantitative measures and rewards. This had led to an education system that is geared towards being driven by overall exam results, rather than the education of each child. Subsequently, I tend to see people achieving very good results with little understanding of the underlying theory and principles, they just learned and were taught the necessary to get the results.
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| Sportyteacher London 24 Oct 15 2.08pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Oct 2015 12.59pm
Quote OldFella at 21 Oct 2015 11.34pm
"Those who can,do;those who can't,teach" George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman. Of course those that can do were also taught. Which is the classic failure of the rather cute quip. Thing is, some people excel in the theory and instructional aspects of a subject, and typically specialize, where as those who instruct tend to have a broader understanding of the principles. Schools in this country have increasingly replaced education with quantitative measures and rewards. This had led to an education system that is geared towards being driven by overall exam results, rather than the education of each child. Subsequently, I tend to see people achieving very good results with little understanding of the underlying theory and principles, they just learned and were taught the necessary to get the results.
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| Stuk Top half 26 Oct 15 2.15pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Oct 2015 12.52pm
Quote DanH at 21 Oct 2015 6.12pm
Quote Stuk at 19 Oct 2015 3.19pm
Quote DanH at 16 Oct 2015 5.18pm
Quote matt_himself at 16 Oct 2015 5.12pm
Quote Stuk at 16 Oct 2015 4.56pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 4.03pm
Quote matt_himself at 16 Oct 2015 3.43pm
Teachers having to work 12 hour days and weekends as well! Welcome to reality. I don't know anyone who works 12 hours a day and weekends, who isn't self employed. I know plenty of employed city workers who dream of just a 12 hour day.
And there is your answer Jamie.
I despair of people in employment who spend their entire time working and have no work/life balance. They certainly aren't idiots, and they have very good lives. Sometimes people's work/life balance is putting in the graft now, while enjoying holidays others could only dream of, and retiring at 50 odd with sod all debt. Or being mortgage free in your 30s/40s.
But each to their own - I'm clocking off now to go and play football with my mates and have a few beers after. Also those people 'dreaming' of twelve hour days, what kind of income are they earning? I don't see that many teachers will be doing those extra hours so they can retiring early, being mortgage free and having no debt. I'd imagine most teachers would be much happier if they were actually paid or otherwise rewarded for those 10-12 hour days. But they aren't. Its the norm, not the exception, it won't make you stand out or even put you on the promotion list. There is no return, no benefit and I'd imagine very little satisfaction from doing a few hours of Ofsted directed paperwork. They're doing those extra hours for free, and the return is f**k all. I've been known to work 12-14 hour days when its been worth it to me (nature of the beast being self employed). But I'm f**ked if I'd do it for nada. They aren't dreaming of them, they're just getting on with it. Head teachers are extremely well paid, pretty sure they'd be mortgage free and able to retire early.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 26 Oct 15 2.49pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 17 Oct 2015 11.00am
Not many on here would last two days working in an inner city school unless it was as a janitor.
When did you teach at Ashburton Mapletree?
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