What's all the fuss about?

Firstly, the Conservative 'surplus' pledge is a nothing more than a legitimisation device to get yet more draconian pieces of 'social engineering' through Parliament. It is also a mean spirited target which enables the 'Out' camp to point at the money going to Europe as a cause rather than effect of our econmic impotence.

A couple of right-wingers in the party don't like it?
Didums has lost his dummy....
A purge of these faux-Tory careerist MP's is the best thing that could happen....toddle off to another party if socialism is that unpalatable.

Diane Abbott...Ha Ha....she's just a better camouflaged self-centered careerist who's really not as 'left' as sh'd like us to believe.

Obviously the re-birth of a proper Labour Party based on Socialist Values is going to be messy. Once they put the Blairites out of harms way - whether by de-selection or by imposing discipline - then a consesus policy porfolio can be followed. Untill then, every issue will be devisive, every debate will drive away some careerist hanger-on or closit Tory.

Nobody should expect this to be anything other than a barely concealed internal civil-war but there is no room in Corbyn's Labour for anybody who is not willing to dump the post-Thatcher emphasis on Corporate interest in favour of a re-statement of political purpose as champions of the oppressed, the dispossessed and the exploited in our society.

Make no mistake, the oppressed, the dispossessed and the exploited make up a very large segment of British society and one that is continually growing thanks to Osborne and chums.

The Tories are a grand recruiting sargeant for Labour.

What's all the fuss about?

Firstly, the Conservative 'surplus' pledge is a nothing more than a legitimisation device to get yet more draconian pieces of 'social engineering' through Parliament. It is also a mean spirited target which enables the 'Out' camp to point at the money going to Europe as a cause rather than effect of our econmic impotence.

A couple of right-wingers in the party don't like it?
Didums has lost his dummy....
A purge of these faux-Tory careerist MP's is the best thing that could happen....toddle off to another party if socialism is that unpalatable.

Diane Abbott...Ha Ha....she's just a better camouflaged self-centered careerist who's really not as 'left' as sh'd like us to believe.

Obviously the re-birth of a proper Labour Party based on Socialist Values is going to be messy. Once they put the Blairites out of harms way - whether by de-selection or by imposing discipline - then a consesus policy porfolio can be followed. Untill then, every issue will be devisive, every debate will drive away some careerist hanger-on or closit Tory.

Nobody should expect this to be anything other than a barely concealed internal civil-war but there is no room in Corbyn's Labour for anybody who is not willing to dump the post-Thatcher emphasis on Corporate interest in favour of a re-statement of political purpose as champions of the oppressed, the dispossessed and the exploited in our society.

Make no mistake, the oppressed, the dispossessed and the exploited make up a very large segment of British society and one that is continually growing thanks to Osborne and chums.

The Tories are a grand recruiting sargeant for Labour.

This is untrue, as there is by definition always a groundswell of discontent. The argument is whether it is of a signifigant size to have any political impact. Given that a third of the country did not vote during the GE it would appear that there is a sizable portion of the country that is disengaged from politics. If that discontent can be effectivley harnessed is the question.

I think the attempts by the tories to force poor people out of london qualifies as social engineering, and should be the focus of more discussion within the public domain.

Poor people out of London ???!! are you having a tin bath mate. Have you been to Leyton, West Croydon, Addo, Fort neef etc etc etc. if they ARE trying to push poor people out of london they are doing a sh1t job.

Edited by dannyh (13 Oct 2015 1.00pm)

Pardon?
Of course it happened....we'd never have got here without it.
I'm relieved that the Labour of yesterday is not in power, it would have been just as bad as the Conservatives but in a different way.
Now Britain has some balance in it's politics. Or will have soon.
The Labour right is hopelessly compromised by it's track record and thouroughly distrusted by all except the Blairite MPs and local big-wigs themselves.
Times are changing, Labour is addressing an essentially new constituancy in a counntry that is socially and economically unrecogocnisable from the one that the party abandoned under Blair.
It's a trend with echoes across Europe too.

No, the Election happened, was fought by a out of date and out of touch leadership which, thankfully, was a casualty of the defeat.
Once the party can present a coherent raft of social and economic alternatives to the voters ( which demands consensus from the membership and MPs and therefore won't happen untill the purge is well under way), then we'll see the politicising of the majority of new voters and those untill now marginalised and disinterested.

Wow just wow, that is the longest most bizzare answer to a question I've ever read. I take it back you not Rick from the young ones.

You are Chairman Mao.