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View the silurian's Profile the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 11 Dec 23 7.25pm Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Hannes

Did you count how often Liverpool comitted the fouls you mentioned in the first half and how many yellows they collected for them?

ooh was it none?

 

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View Hannes's Profile Hannes Flag Vienna 11 Dec 23 7.28pm Send a Private Message to Hannes Add Hannes as a friend

Originally posted by the silurian

ooh was it none?

Yes, as far as I remember.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 23 7.31pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Hannes

Did you count how often Liverpool comitted the fouls you mentioned in the first half and how many yellows they collected for them?

As I have asserted, NOT every foul merits a card.

 

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 11 Dec 23 7.33pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by the silurian


and yet not one of liverpools fouls was deemed worthy of a yellow?

incompetence? bias? corruption? or all 3?

And don’t tell me this ref , and of course not just this ref don’t know that for the flimsiest of reasons they have just changed the whole course of the game. Most pundits not fully biased including ex refs know Ayew got used and say so.

 

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View the silurian's Profile the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 11 Dec 23 7.37pm Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

As I have asserted, NOT every foul merits a card.

out of 17 fouls, chances are 1 or 2 may have done but cheating corrupt madeley decided that not one did!

 

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View Hannes's Profile Hannes Flag Vienna 11 Dec 23 7.40pm Send a Private Message to Hannes Add Hannes as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

As I have asserted, NOT every foul merits a card.

Agreed, but the assessment should be based on the nature of the foul and not the club affiliation of the offender. Ayew's was no worse than some of Liverpool's tactical fouls when we were setting up a counter-attack, however successful they would have been.

 

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 11 Dec 23 7.53pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

As I have asserted, NOT every foul merits a card.

What you assert is clear. But are you saying that you would ref a game with both sides competitive , and allow one side 50 fouls with fifty stoppages, and never conclude that they are taking the piss out of you and everyone there? Whilst in your wisdom you have handed let’s say six cards to the other team, who have committed 25 fouls ?
It’s a little far fetched ,but by your assertion that only a certain type, of foul can fetch a card , it’s a possibility.
Far fetched or otherwise it’s happening all to often, lower numbers, not as stand out as the example, and because of its fairly obvious consequences it has to be viewed as ,what so easily could be an easy way for a ref to show favour to one side and then hide ibehind your assertion.

Edited by Putitout (11 Dec 2023 7.55pm)

Edited by Putitout (11 Dec 2023 8.18pm)

 

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Originally posted by Hannes

Agreed, but the assessment should be based on the nature of the foul and not the club affiliation of the offender. Ayew's was no worse than some of Liverpool's tactical fouls when we were setting up a counter-attack, however successful they would have been.

The thing is all teams do it ,the best sides do it best of all . Lose possession , press ,get ball or foul, or attempt foul,
Every time it succeeds it stops play , no matter what the offended team had in mind it’s stopped any momentum they might have had is gone, and of course the offender goes into perfect shape to defend the spot kick ,which mostly is a short easy pass any way, the shape stays the same any way very difficult now to get momentum , and only split seconds before another doubtful challenge.
If a fairly timid challenge like Ayews can get you sent off , then so should almost every challenge committed in the opposition half literally stopping any flow in the game. The point being they are all fouls to stop any play , end of, big sides would go banansas if it was ever the case

 

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View Hannes's Profile Hannes Flag Vienna 11 Dec 23 8.30pm Send a Private Message to Hannes Add Hannes as a friend

The main problem is that whenever you play the big boys the whole Back 4 are cautioned within an hour. This limits them in defending as they have to think twice whenever they tackle and is a widely underrated disadvantage. You may say that the numerous yellows are the result of ongoing waves of attacks by the superior side where the underdogs couldn't help themselves but by constant fouling. But this was clearly not the case in Sunday's game.

 

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View Bexley Eagle's Profile Bexley Eagle Flag Bexley Kent 11 Dec 23 9.19pm Send a Private Message to Bexley Eagle Add Bexley Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

If you watch it again, I’m not sure what the free kick was for however Van Dijk jumped up in the air, caught it with two hands, put it on the floor and kicked it at Ayew within a few seconds. Was it taken from the right place? Certainly no spray from the ref. Not even sure Ayew knew 100% what was happening and then jumped in the air to avoid the ball when Van Dijk kicked it at him but still got booked.

This also happened on the half way line, hardly a goal scoring position.The whole thing smacked of Van Dijk trying to get him booked which is disgusting. Imagine if every free kick was aimed at someone not standing 10 yards away? What is the referee going to do then?

I agree 100% with this. Almost an argument for booking Can Dyke for bad sportsmanship. But hey we all know that will never happen

 

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View JRW2's Profile JRW2 Flag Dulwich 12 Dec 23 2.14pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

With respect, it is not irrelevant as I have consistently stated a fact that referees err from high to time, having to make split-second decisions in fast moving situations.
Furthermore I am not minded to 'Rubber stamp' comments regarding specific refereeing decisions if I don't agree with them !

Apropos, "Adds nothing to the debate", I have been consistent in my messaging and whether my comments have added value to the discussion is for others to conclude.
Perhaps the consensus is that my sentiments are a heaving load of old codswallop !

Edited by Willo (10 Dec 2023 3.03pm)

On the subject of refereeing you don't have "sentiments". It's the same "sentiment" all the time, trotted out month after month, season after season. It's a Pavlovian reaction: someone criticises a referee and you will immediately post that referees can err - but never admit that the criticism is justified. And that's why I say your repetition of the same, never-varying words doesn't add anything to the debate and has become simply tedious. If your words were a "load of old codswallop", they would be much more interesting.

 

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