It is fairly laughable that you are using the 1987 riots as an example. It is incredibly contentious to say it was a massacre and it was largely as the result of Iranian pilgrims protests, so not falling into the bracket at all of putting down a civil uprising. That doesn't make it right.

I am not defending Saudi Arabia, I am rebutting Gussets arguments which are cyclical and without much substance. He just keeps repeating whatever the SWP banners say at whatever march he has been on recently.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Erm, you do. You support TUSC and members of TUSC's consist of 'representatives of the SWP'. You are part of the same family.

I don't recall this question but will answer as follows: extremist movements in the Middle East. They are are adapt at moving from places such as the Lebanon/Israel border, Helmand, the tribal pakistani regions and Yemen fairly easily. Normally they are chased out and find safe haven in other places and continue their political aims.

What we are seeing in Iraq is the mobilisation of extremists who have had experience of combat in many territories and have found a cause in which they can fight where the resistance to them is weak.

Unfortunately, extremist groups have been on a war footing since the mid-nineties but have truely been outcasts from the West and other governments since 9/11. They are agile, skilled, well funded and have an ability to make uneasy peace with locals by subsidising food, water and fuel in the areas they working in and as a result of his, can bunker down in areas which makes the difficult to move.

Would they have been operating successfully in Iraq if Saddam was still in change? My gut reactions not as successful but would still be able to campaign against the Iraqi army effectively. By now, the Iraqi army would have been equipped with far less modern weapons, would be manned by many people who are sympathic to ISIS aims and would face experienced fighters pouring in from neighbouring territories fresh from battle.

Do I think the invasion has exacerbated problems in Iraq regarding extremists? I think it has made them easier to operate but you cannot blame the invasion of Iraq for the multitude of experience fighters doing he rounds in the Middle East at the moment. Afghanistan, pakistan, Syria, Lebanon, Israel/'Palestine', Libya and the Arab Spring have created a new level of instability, a new class of political fighter and new opportunities for groups to instigate combat in any territory in the Arab/Israeli World, as most face poorly equipped and managed Armies, notably Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE, Israel and Qatar apart.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Radical pro-terrorist organisation Unite Against Fascism are the new Nazi's.

If you are white and English they will try to make you feel guilty and ashamed of being so, they despise our armed forces, hate the Jews and try to use violence and intimidation to crush any opposition. They fight for freedom of speech - as long as you agree with them. If not, you are scum.

What's more Nazi than that?

'We are going to make a little bit of history here’ Mr. J. Ertl.

And here are the Waffen UAF

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Nazis against Fascism - Who would have thought it?

Big chest and massive boobs

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I directly put that question into the final paragraph of the response.

The Middle East is too complex for a yes/no answer and it is also 11 years since the invasion. Things have changed since then and this needs to be recognised.

The SWP never had any credibility. The rape allegations merely highlighted their foolishness but you did say clearly that TUSC were credible. Appear to be contradicting yourself now.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

National Socialism? Gassing Jews? Subsidised agricultural policy for self sufficiency. Racial purity policy? Homophobia? home market protectionism?

I've been around previous incarnations, such as the Anti-Nazi league. My experience was that they were mostly from the far left and white, some were ex-forces and anti-Israeli policy. Yeah, they use violence and intimidation directed at groups like the National Front and the far right, who use violence and intimidation.

A blunt instrument. Mostly they were an kind of alliance between far left groups such as workers libertine, swp, sp, CPGB and student / Trade union members.

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"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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