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irishbren Cliftonville. Kent. 02 Feb 14 10.22am
I listened to the excellent 'Transfer Podcast' on Friday. Near the end, Jel Holyoake spoke (it seemed with some sadness.) about sentiment, or the lack of it, in professional football today. He mentioned specifically how he 'felt' for Peter Ramage, who had worked so hard with the team, to help us win promotion. And was so excited, and really looking forward to getting the chance to play in the Premier League. He happily signed a new contract, only to be excluded from Holloway's 25 man squad, and then be loaned out to Barnsley for the season. So...Is there room for sentiment in football ? I can recall clearly, our brief Premier League stay in 1997/98. Carlo Nash was desperate to play a Premier League match, in goal for Palace. But even after relegation was assured, Steve Coppell did not give him a game. He finally got his wish with Man City in 2000/01. Outside Palace, I can go back to the 1966 World Cup. Jimmy Greaves got injured, and Alf Ramsey brought in Geoff Hurst for the Quarter Final. Greaves was fit for the Final. Nearly every football fan in the country (outside West Ham.) were calling for the re-instatement of Greaves. Ramsey ignored all that, and played Hurst....The rest, as they say, is history.... The famous photograph of Jimmy Greaves standing in the tunnel,in his suit, while England paraded the World Cup around Wembley, is one of THE saddest football pictures.(Check it out.) Let's move to a more recent event.... The London Olympics... David Beckham (And I'm no fan of his.) had put in so much time and effort into helping London secure the 2012 Olympics. He stated how keen he was to be in the Great Britain Football Squad. He was overlooked. Surely Stuart Pearce could have found a spot for him, in the squad at least ? Maybe you can re-call an instance when sentiment came into play, and backfired ? Anyway, have anyone got an opinion on this ? Will the 'Sentiment issue' become a hot topic over the coming weeks/months regarding Speroni and Hennessey ? Your thoughts would be interesting. IS THERE ROOM FOR SENTIMENT IN FOOTBALL ?
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irishbren

Cliftonville. Kent. 02 Feb 14 10.22am

I listened to the excellent 'Transfer Podcast' on Friday.
Near the end, Jel Holyoake spoke (it seemed with some sadness.) about sentiment, or the lack of it, in professional football today.
He mentioned specifically how he 'felt' for Peter Ramage, who had worked so hard with the team, to help us win promotion. And was so excited, and really looking forward to getting the chance to play in the Premier League.
He happily signed a new contract, only to be excluded from Holloway's 25 man squad, and then be loaned out to Barnsley for the season.
So...Is there room for sentiment in football ?
I can recall clearly, our brief Premier League stay in 1997/98. Carlo Nash was desperate to play a Premier League match, in goal for Palace.
But even after relegation was assured, Steve Coppell did not give him a game.
He finally got his wish with Man City in 2000/01.
Outside Palace, I can go back to the 1966 World Cup. Jimmy Greaves got injured, and Alf Ramsey brought in Geoff Hurst for the Quarter Final. Greaves was fit for the Final. Nearly every football fan in the country (outside West Ham.) were calling for the re-instatement of Greaves. Ramsey ignored all that, and played Hurst....The rest, as they say, is history....
The famous photograph of Jimmy Greaves standing in the tunnel,in his suit, while England paraded the World Cup around Wembley, is one of THE saddest football pictures.(Check it out.)
Let's move to a more recent event....
The London Olympics...
David Beckham (And I'm no fan of his.) had put in so much time and effort into helping London secure the 2012 Olympics. He stated how keen he was to be in the Great Britain Football Squad. He was overlooked.
Surely Stuart Pearce could have found a spot for him, in the squad at least ?
Maybe you can re-call an instance when sentiment came into play, and backfired ?
Anyway, have anyone got an opinion on this ?
Will the 'Sentiment issue' become a hot topic over the coming weeks/months regarding Speroni and Hennessey ?
Your thoughts would be interesting.
IS THERE ROOM FOR SENTIMENT IN FOOTBALL ?

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Plane Bromley 02 Feb 14 10.58am
In short, no
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Plane

Bromley 02 Feb 14 10.58am

In short, no

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Tinhat west wickham 02 Feb 14 11.04am
Ramage carried himself with a lot of grace, I would have been furious that after playing a significant part in out promotion season, signing a new contract and then being left out for Injured Paddy Mac to be in the 25 who played no part. But, if we bring in better players than we have got already than can only be a better thing for the club providing the players are committed.
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Tinhat

west wickham 02 Feb 14 11.04am

Ramage carried himself with a lot of grace, I would have been furious that after playing a significant part in out promotion season, signing a new contract and then being left out for Injured Paddy Mac to be in the 25 who played no part.
But, if we bring in better players than we have got already than can only be a better thing for the club providing the players are committed.

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adrian b Landrindod, Wales 02 Feb 14 11.08am
Quote irishbren at 02 Feb 2014 10.22am I listened to the excellent 'Transfer Podcast' on Friday. Near the end, Jel Holyoake spoke (it seemed with some sadness.) about sentiment, or the lack of it, in professional football today. He mentioned specifically how he 'felt' for Peter Ramage, who had worked so hard with the team, to help us win promotion. And was so excited, and really looking forward to getting the chance to play in the Premier League. He happily signed a new contract, only to be excluded from Holloway's 25 man squad, and then be loaned out to Barnsley for the season. So...Is there room for sentiment in football ? I can recall clearly, our brief Premier League stay in 1997/98. Carlo Nash was desperate to play a Premier League match, in goal for Palace. But even after relegation was assured, Steve Coppell did not give him a game. He finally got his wish with Man City in 2000/01. Outside Palace, I can go back to the 1966 World Cup. Jimmy Greaves got injured, and Alf Ramsey brought in Geoff Hurst for the Quarter Final. Greaves was fit for the Final. Nearly every football fan in the country (outside West Ham.) were calling for the re-instatement of Greaves. Ramsey ignored all that, and played Hurst....The rest, as they say, is history.... The famous photograph of Jimmy Greaves standing in the tunnel,in his suit, while England paraded the World Cup around Wembley, is one of THE saddest football pictures.(Check it out.) Let's move to a more recent event.... The London Olympics... David Beckham (And I'm no fan of his.) had put in so much time and effort into helping London secure the 2012 Olympics. He stated how keen he was to be in the Great Britain Football Squad. He was overlooked. Surely Stuart Pearce could have found a spot for him, in the squad at least ? Maybe you can re-call an instance when sentiment came into play, and backfired ? Anyway, have anyone got an opinion on this ? Will the 'Sentiment issue' become a hot topic over the coming weeks/months regarding Speroni and Hennessey ? Your thoughts would be interesting. IS THERE ROOM FOR SENTIMENT IN FOOTBALL ? Never, Palace could end up with a poor tream of no-hopers
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adrian b

Landrindod, Wales 02 Feb 14 11.08am

Quote irishbren at 02 Feb 2014 10.22am

Never, Palace could end up with a poor tream of no-hopers

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alaneagle1 Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 02 Feb 14 11.18am
If you want to improve NO. But then you are banking on the skills of the Manager at the time. EG I would have kept all of lasts years squad and NOT blown them out so soon. Which was nearly our downfall so early. We now must wait and see if the 4 NEW lads get into the first 11 and make the TEAM better. Palace 13th 2017/18.
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alaneagle1

Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 02 Feb 14 11.18am

If you want to improve NO.
But then you are banking on the skills of the Manager at the time.
EG I would have kept all of lasts years squad and NOT blown them out so soon.
Which was nearly our downfall so early.
We now must wait and see if the 4 NEW lads get into the first 11 and make the TEAM better.

Palace 13th 2017/18.

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hedgie Flitwick 02 Feb 14 11.29am
Perhaps there can be a case for it when there really isn't anything else to choose between two players, but how often does that happen? If we'd been sentimental, then Nigel Martyn wouldn't have replaced Perry Suckling, and we'd probably have gone down in 1990 without a cup final appearance. However, with Kevin Miller I thought that replacing Carlo Nash was always just justification for the transfer, and that Carlo was actually the better player. I don't know enough about Hennessey to know how he compares with Julian but I do think he is here to be his replacement, just not sure whether it is meant to be now or over time, perhaps at the end of the season when Jules contract ends. If they are close on ability then I do think it would be unfair on Julian on his current form to drop him, but if Hennessey is clearly the better player then there can't be room for sentiment. Then again, hopefully Hennessey won't just be played to justify the transfer, either.
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Flitwick 02 Feb 14 11.29am

Perhaps there can be a case for it when there really isn't anything else to choose between two players, but how often does that happen?

If we'd been sentimental, then Nigel Martyn wouldn't have replaced Perry Suckling, and we'd probably have gone down in 1990 without a cup final appearance.

However, with Kevin Miller I thought that replacing Carlo Nash was always just justification for the transfer, and that Carlo was actually the better player.

I don't know enough about Hennessey to know how he compares with Julian but I do think he is here to be his replacement, just not sure whether it is meant to be now or over time, perhaps at the end of the season when Jules contract ends.

If they are close on ability then I do think it would be unfair on Julian on his current form to drop him, but if Hennessey is clearly the better player then there can't be room for sentiment. Then again, hopefully Hennessey won't just be played to justify the transfer, either.

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 02 Feb 14 11.50am
There isn't but there should be...its how a club keeps its soul As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 02 Feb 14 11.50am

There isn't but there should be...its how a club keeps its soul

As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 02 Feb 14 11.52am
Quote The Sash at 02 Feb 2014 11.50am There isn't but there should be...its how a club keeps its soul I think there is a little but not enough. It's about how situations are handled as much as anything. the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 02 Feb 14 11.52am

Quote The Sash at 02 Feb 2014 11.50am

There isn't but there should be...its how a club keeps its soul

I think there is a little but not enough. It's about how situations are handled as much as anything.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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SE9 EAGLE 02 Feb 14 11.54am
We must be sentimentalists supporting Palace.
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02 Feb 14 11.54am

We must be sentimentalists supporting Palace.

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7@burnley79 Battersea 02 Feb 14 12.09pm
I'd like to think there is a little bit of sentiment behind the scenes at Palace, if not then we should of won more than we have.
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Battersea 02 Feb 14 12.09pm

I'd like to think there is a little bit of sentiment behind the scenes at Palace, if not then we should of won more than we have.

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Midlands Eagle 02 Feb 14 12.12pm
Quote alaneagle1 at 02 Feb 2014 11.18am you are banking on the skills of the Manager at the time. EG I would have kept all of lasts years squad and NOT blown them out so soon. Yet most people on here said before the season started that Delaney and Gabbidon weren't up to Premiership standard and should be jettisoned before the season started.
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Quote alaneagle1 at 02 Feb 2014 11.18am

you are banking on the skills of the Manager at the time.
EG I would have kept all of lasts years squad and NOT blown them out so soon.

Yet most people on here said before the season started that Delaney and Gabbidon weren't up to Premiership standard and should be jettisoned before the season started.

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bertshead Castlederg 02 Feb 14 12.36pm
There's no sentiment in football or loyalty in my opinion. Of the Ramage situation I was not best pleased to hear that he wasn't in the 25 and somehow McCarthy got in so god knows how he felt when told he was going to Barnsley.
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bertshead

Castlederg 02 Feb 14 12.36pm

There's no sentiment in football or loyalty in my opinion.
Of the Ramage situation I was not best pleased to hear that he wasn't in the 25 and somehow McCarthy got in so god knows how he felt when told he was going to Barnsley.

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