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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Jul 16 11.59am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by blackpalacefan

Or indeed certain sections. Left and right. People underplay the comedy value of cpfc for how 'lefty' it is and HOL in the opposite direction. As soon as people understand that, they might have a claim to being worldly and rounded and not just endlessly drinking in their own mantra.

Edited by blackpalacefan (09 Jul 2016 10.38pm)

Oddly enough BPF, although my general attitude could be described as right of center I have no particular love for the Tory party and no real dislike for the principles of socialism.
What I do have is a keen dislike of the Labour party who have been a disaster throughout my life and a loathing for the over grown student, CND supporting socialist types who go marches about this weeks favorite cause because they are so "right on".

Being a Brexiter has nothing to do with party politics in my view but there is a certain type of person who tend to be of a left of centre persuasion who just can't let the referendum result go.

 

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View JohnyBoy's Profile JohnyBoy Flag 10 Jul 16 12.02pm Send a Private Message to JohnyBoy Add JohnyBoy as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I have always been a one person one vote person to elect our representatives, although I detest the whole idea of using plebiscites. I have always thought that being stupid ought not disbar anyone from being able to have an opinion and to cast a vote.

Many of the comments in this thread have challenged that approach, none less than the one above.

Those on the far right and the far left are both, in my opinion, equally stupid. It is time that the middle ground gets organised, for they are by far the biggest group. As there are strong signs that this is happening there is at least some hope that some good can come out of all of this.

I predict a split in both of our major parties and a general election in which a new deal with the EU will be on the table which would enable us to remain inside. As soon as that possibility becomes a probability the markets will recover and all will be well.

The right will winge and moan but they are just a substantial minority.

Agreed Wisbech, although some posts from Danny are frankly not worth responding to....and when the police and other emergency services gets cut another 20% from the additional austerity caused by brexit, you will probably hear him blaming Theresa May again, or maybe the bankers, never his fault though.
Plebiscite democracies are a ludicrous way of making decisions, they appeal to 'the madness of crowds', are influenced heavily by crowd pleasers and propoganda, and decided by a largely ignorant clapping proletariat with a lynch mob mentality....like asking a crowd for a show of hands when asked 'who wants free beer?' We have always had representation of the peoples to elect mp's as the basis of democracy but this has been thrown out in favour of chaos

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Jul 16 12.08pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

Agreed Wisbech, although some posts from Danny are frankly not worth responding to....and when the police and other emergency services gets cut another 20% from the additional austerity caused by brexit, you will probably hear him blaming Theresa May again, or maybe the bankers, never his fault though.
Plebiscite democracies are a ludicrous way of making decisions, they appeal to 'the madness of crowds', are influenced heavily by crowd pleasers and propoganda, and decided by a largely ignorant clapping proletariat with a lynch mob mentality....like asking a crowd for a show of hands when asked 'who wants free beer?' We have always had representation of the peoples to elect mp's as the basis of democracy but this has been thrown out in favour of chaos

Can you hear yourself?

So we should have a dictatorship run by self proclaimed intellectuals to stop those pesky plebs disagreeing with us clever "never wrong" people?

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 10 Jul 16 12.10pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

I think that's possible and losing the UK financial contribution is important I think we are 3rd highest contributor so its going to leave a lot of damage.

However I don't think the UK will be trusted as they have essentially walked out on their treaty obligations and frankly that is putting it mildly.

If you must have us back EU don't forget to stick the boot in.


 

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View JohnyBoy's Profile JohnyBoy Flag 10 Jul 16 12.17pm Send a Private Message to JohnyBoy Add JohnyBoy as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Can you hear yourself?

So we should have a dictatorship run by self proclaimed intellectuals to stop those pesky plebs disagreeing with us clever "never wrong" people?

Can you give me examples of how plebiscite democracies have been used in the uk in the past then hrolf? When have they ever been used to override elected governments?

 

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 10 Jul 16 12.32pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

Fundamentalism is wrong in all its forms, not sure how you derive your figures but i stick with my estimates

I didn't I made them up a bit like you did!!

 


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View -TUX-'s Profile -TUX- Flag Alphabettispaghetti 10 Jul 16 12.56pm Send a Private Message to -TUX- Add -TUX- as a friend

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

Agreed Wisbech, although some posts from Danny are frankly not worth responding to....and when the police and other emergency services gets cut another 20% from the additional austerity caused by brexit, you will probably hear him blaming Theresa May again, or maybe the bankers, never his fault though.
Plebiscite democracies are a ludicrous way of making decisions, they appeal to 'the madness of crowds', are influenced heavily by crowd pleasers and propoganda, and decided by a largely ignorant clapping proletariat with a lynch mob mentality....like asking a crowd for a show of hands when asked 'who wants free beer?' We have always had representation of the peoples to elect mp's as the basis of democracy but this has been thrown out in favour of chaos

You've never had much to say about the existing austerity cuts (i wonder why) that's plagued us all for a while, yet you're more than happy to state that any further cuts will be solely due to the referendum result.
At best you're misguided. At worst you're deluded.



 


Time to move forward together.

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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 10 Jul 16 1.02pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

Can you give me examples of how plebiscite democracies have been used in the uk in the past then hrolf? When have they ever been used to override elected governments?

There are at least two countries I'm aware of that use plebiscites for serious issues regularly - those bastions of mob rule, Switzerland and Australia. It seems to work well there.

The UK has never been a plebiscite democracy and nor is it about to become one. Prior to this one, there have only been two referenda in our entire history, one of which was to remain in the very same organisation we've just voted to leave. decided by the same 'ignorant, clapping proletariat' you hold in such disdain.

In the run-up to this referendum, you conducted your own campaign on these boards with dignity and intelligent debate. In defeat, you've acted like a spoilt, petulant child, blaming the electorate for supposedly being not as clever as you.

The referendum produced a clear and unambiguous result: you're now stamping your feet because you didn't get the outcome you wanted. It's not fair. You want your mummy. You disappoint me.

 


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View JohnyBoy's Profile JohnyBoy Flag 10 Jul 16 1.06pm Send a Private Message to JohnyBoy Add JohnyBoy as a friend

Originally posted by -TUX-

You've never had much to say about the existing austerity cuts (i wonder why) that's plagued us all for a while, yet you're more than happy to state that any further cuts will be solely due to the referendum result.
At best you're misguided. At worst you're deluded.


Actually i didnt like the existing austerity cuts TUX although i understood the need to close the deficit, but i certainly wouldnt have voted for additional and unnecesary austerity because i place real value on public services. E.g some 4500 police jobs were lost in Sussex alone during 2010-2015, and i really dont want to lose one more. But people have seemingly voted for additional austerity, and surely that is more delusional

 

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View JohnyBoy's Profile JohnyBoy Flag 10 Jul 16 1.27pm Send a Private Message to JohnyBoy Add JohnyBoy as a friend

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

There are at least two countries I'm aware of that use plebiscites for serious issues regularly - those bastions of mob rule, Switzerland and Australia. It seems to work well there.

The UK has never been a plebiscite democracy and nor is it about to become one. Prior to this one, there have only been two referenda in our entire history, one of which was to remain in the very same organisation we've just voted to leave. decided by the same 'ignorant, clapping proletariat' you hold in such disdain.

In the run-up to this referendum, you conducted your own campaign on these boards with dignity and intelligent debate. In defeat, you've acted like a spoilt, petulant child, blaming the electorate for supposedly being not as clever as you.

The referendum produced a clear and unambiguous result: you're now stamping your feet because you didn't get the outcome you wanted. It's not fair. You want your mummy. You disappoint me.

I dont want another referendum cucking, i accept the result but please grow up and take responsibility for the decision and damage it is/will cause....nothing like a protester who gets their own way but wont take responsibility for the mess they create.

 

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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 10 Jul 16 1.43pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

I dont want another referendum cucking, i accept the result but please grow up and take responsibility for the decision and damage it is/will cause....nothing like a protester who gets their own way but wont take responsibility for the mess they create.

My conscience is clear. I just don't run with the Armageddon scenario chaps of your ilk are continually peddling.

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Originally posted by Cucking Funt

My conscience is clear. I just don't run with the Armageddon scenario chaps of your ilk are continually peddling.

I can only assume then that you have had your head buried firmly in the sand then cucking. My 'ilk' are like Mark Carney who when asked what he thought post brexit said "let me put it this way, does anyone in this room not think we are in a much worse economic situation than we were pre-brexit?" There was silence "ok" he said "does anyone in the country not think we are in a worse economic situation?" Again there was silence...."i think that tells us something" he concluded.....oh, and by the way, immigration is likely to rise, we will have to bargain away free movement for a trade deal and we will have lost our veto to block turkey joining....so atleast we've taken back control eh

 

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