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silvertop Portishead 06 Jul 21 12.05pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly A slightly puzzling outcome of Brexit (to me) , is that I thought the UK would become less enticing to illegal immigrants. The flow of dingy's from northern France would gradually reduce to nothing, as Europe would be the place immigrants wanted to settle. However, it seems that the UK has become even more of a desired destination for illegals, as dingy numbers increase., and continue to do so who'd have thought ? They increase in the summer because of the better weather for dangerous crossings.
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silvertop

Portishead 06 Jul 21 12.05pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

A slightly puzzling outcome of Brexit (to me) , is that I thought the UK would become less enticing to illegal immigrants.
The flow of dingy's from northern France would gradually reduce to nothing, as Europe would be the place immigrants wanted to settle.

However, it seems that the UK has become even more of a desired destination for illegals, as dingy numbers increase., and continue to do so

who'd have thought ?

They increase in the summer because of the better weather for dangerous crossings.

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Spiderman Horsham 06 Jul 21 12.19pm
Originally posted by silvertop They increase in the summer because of the better weather for dangerous crossings. Yep 6600 arrived so far this year, across the Channel. The vast majority being males between 18-35. What many people do not seem to grasp is, these are coming from France and have travelled through Europe, all of which are deemed as safe countries, they could/should have claimed asylum in the first safe country they reached. If they were not economic migrants, this is what they should do Edited by Spiderman (06 Jul 2021 12.19pm)
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Horsham 06 Jul 21 12.19pm

Originally posted by silvertop

They increase in the summer because of the better weather for dangerous crossings.

Yep 6600 arrived so far this year, across the Channel. The vast majority being males between 18-35. What many people do not seem to grasp is, these are coming from France and have travelled through Europe, all of which are deemed as safe countries, they could/should have claimed asylum in the first safe country they reached. If they were not economic migrants, this is what they should do

Edited by Spiderman (06 Jul 2021 12.19pm)

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PalazioVecchio south pole 06 Jul 21 12.20pm
Is it just a coincidence that "panorama " shares so many letters and syllables with "propaganda" Edited by PalazioVecchio (06 Jul 2021 12.44pm) Kayla's at Anfield & Old Trafford
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Is it just a coincidence that "panorama " shares so many letters and syllables with "propaganda"

Edited by PalazioVecchio (06 Jul 2021 12.44pm)

Kayla's at Anfield & Old Trafford

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Teddy Eagle 06 Jul 21 12.22pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Yep 6600 arrived so far this year, across the Channel. The vast majority being males between 18-35. What many people do not seem to grasp is, these are coming from France and have travelled through Europe, all of which are deemed as safe countries, they could/should have claimed asylum in the first safe country they reached. If they were not economic migrants, this is what they should do Edited by Spiderman (06 Jul 2021 12.19pm) They obviously haven’t had the benefits of EU membership explained or they’d be desperate not to come here.
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06 Jul 21 12.22pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Edited by Spiderman (06 Jul 2021 12.19pm)

They obviously haven’t had the benefits of EU membership explained or they’d be desperate not to come here.

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Spiderman Horsham 06 Jul 21 12.22pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 The record intake last year from France was only 8,000. In fact we could welcome more, as many more people are leaving the UK than coming here. It would be simpler, and safer, just to go and pick them up. France takes in many more people than we do. Doing some research, it was actually 8400 but these are only this crossing the Channel and have been found. Does not include daily arrivals at other ports and the 9000 we take through the legitimate resettlement programme
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Horsham 06 Jul 21 12.22pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The record intake last year from France was only 8,000.

In fact we could welcome more, as many more people are leaving the UK than coming here.

It would be simpler, and safer, just to go and pick them up.

France takes in many more people than we do.

Doing some research, it was actually 8400 but these are only this crossing the Channel and have been found. Does not include daily arrivals at other ports and the 9000 we take through the legitimate resettlement programme

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steeleye20 Croydon 06 Jul 21 12.25pm
Another factor to consider is the UK death rate since 2016. The elderly brexit generation is departing, the referendum result would not be the same now, and wasn't when we actually left either. They are also mainly takers, not givers to the state. 8,000 asylum seekers is a paltry amount. We have shortages now in service jobs UK people sniff at, an asylum seeker would jump at them. I have a few here very occasionally, they only need a decent break.
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Croydon 06 Jul 21 12.25pm

Another factor to consider is the UK death rate since 2016.

The elderly brexit generation is departing, the referendum result would not be the same now, and wasn't when we actually left either.

They are also mainly takers, not givers to the state.

8,000 asylum seekers is a paltry amount.

We have shortages now in service jobs UK people sniff at, an asylum seeker would jump at them.

I have a few here very occasionally, they only need a decent break.

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Spiderman Horsham 06 Jul 21 12.36pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Another factor to consider is the UK death rate since 2016. The elderly brexit generation is departing, the referendum result would not be the same now, and wasn't when we actually left either. They are also mainly takers, not givers to the state. 8,000 asylum seekers is a paltry amount. We have shortages now in service jobs UK people sniff at, an asylum seeker would jump at them. I have a few here very occasionally, they only need a decent break. It is not 8000 though is it! Are you saying the elderly Brexit generation are takers not givers? What about those that worked their entire lives, they have given to the State. “Asylum seekers require accommodation, food, heating, healthcare all at taxpayers expense, when they have not contributed so why have a go at our elderly population? You are right many would like to work but many don’t .
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Horsham 06 Jul 21 12.36pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Another factor to consider is the UK death rate since 2016.

The elderly brexit generation is departing, the referendum result would not be the same now, and wasn't when we actually left either.

They are also mainly takers, not givers to the state.

8,000 asylum seekers is a paltry amount.

We have shortages now in service jobs UK people sniff at, an asylum seeker would jump at them.

I have a few here very occasionally, they only need a decent break.

It is not 8000 though is it! Are you saying the elderly Brexit generation are takers not givers? What about those that worked their entire lives, they have given to the State.
“Asylum seekers require accommodation, food, heating, healthcare all at taxpayers expense, when they have not contributed so why have a go at our elderly population? You are right many would like to work but many don’t .

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cryrst The garden of England 06 Jul 21 12.40pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The double check analogy was about holding a confirmatory referendum, given all the new information available since the first, to make sure Brexit was really what people wanted. Not just whether they were tired of the process. And I have stated many times that as the EU needs to reform, it ultimately will reform. It was therefore very much in our interests to stay inside and be the driver of that reform rather than merely observing. Again, how can you see the future. Its impossible without a delorian and doc brown. 6 months and it's not as grim as was portrayed and without digging to the empth degree you must admit that. Ask the farmers, ask the fisherman ok. But shops aren't empty and the sky hasn't fallen in. Without brexit I will add that although weve had many sad deaths with covid the numbers would definitely be higher. If the EU can reform and individually offer different things to different countries without one size fits all then its a no brainer to maybe consider another vote to rejoin and go back in. With all the cards layed out. Meanwhile time will tell if it was a good medium to long term choice. We are still part of Europe and trading with the EU and long may that continue. Aside of that trade deals and Ts and Cs with other nations are now ours to negotiate. No one can put barriers in the way. Good and bad deals happen with all business so there will be peaks and troughs in the future. Basically it's done.
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The garden of England 06 Jul 21 12.40pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The double check analogy was about holding a confirmatory referendum, given all the new information available since the first, to make sure Brexit was really what people wanted. Not just whether they were tired of the process.

And I have stated many times that as the EU needs to reform, it ultimately will reform. It was therefore very much in our interests to stay inside and be the driver of that reform rather than merely observing.

Again, how can you see the future. Its impossible without a delorian and doc brown.
6 months and it's not as grim as was portrayed and without digging to the empth degree you must admit that. Ask the farmers, ask the fisherman ok. But shops aren't empty and the sky hasn't fallen in.
Without brexit I will add that although weve had many sad deaths with covid the numbers would definitely be higher.
If the EU can reform and individually offer different things to different countries without one size fits all then its a no brainer to maybe consider another vote to rejoin and go back in. With all the cards layed out. Meanwhile time will tell if it was a good medium to long term choice. We are still part of Europe and trading with the EU and long may that continue.
Aside of that trade deals and Ts and Cs with other nations are now ours to negotiate. No one can put barriers in the way. Good and bad deals happen with all business so there will be peaks and troughs in the future. Basically it's done.

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Teddy Eagle 06 Jul 21 12.41pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Another factor to consider is the UK death rate since 2016. The elderly brexit generation is departing, the referendum result would not be the same now, and wasn't when we actually left either. They are also mainly takers, not givers to the state. 8,000 asylum seekers is a paltry amount. We have shortages now in service jobs UK people sniff at, an asylum seeker would jump at them. I have a few here very occasionally, they only need a decent break. It’s not 8000 though is it? [Link]
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Teddy Eagle

06 Jul 21 12.41pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Another factor to consider is the UK death rate since 2016.

The elderly brexit generation is departing, the referendum result would not be the same now, and wasn't when we actually left either.

They are also mainly takers, not givers to the state.

8,000 asylum seekers is a paltry amount.

We have shortages now in service jobs UK people sniff at, an asylum seeker would jump at them.

I have a few here very occasionally, they only need a decent break.

It’s not 8000 though is it?

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Badger11 Beckenham 06 Jul 21 1.04pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Another factor to consider is the UK death rate since 2016. The elderly brexit generation is departing, the referendum result would not be the same now, and wasn't when we actually left either. They are also mainly takers, not givers to the state. 8,000 asylum seekers is a paltry amount. We have shortages now in service jobs UK people sniff at, an asylum seeker would jump at them. I have a few here very occasionally, they only need a decent break. Or the number of people who would now vote leave has gone up as Remainers and the undecided see how badly the EU is behaving. One more point
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Beckenham 06 Jul 21 1.04pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Another factor to consider is the UK death rate since 2016.

The elderly brexit generation is departing, the referendum result would not be the same now, and wasn't when we actually left either.

They are also mainly takers, not givers to the state.

8,000 asylum seekers is a paltry amount.

We have shortages now in service jobs UK people sniff at, an asylum seeker would jump at them.

I have a few here very occasionally, they only need a decent break.

Or the number of people who would now vote leave has gone up as Remainers and the undecided see how badly the EU is behaving.

One more point

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cryrst The garden of England 06 Jul 21 1.28pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Another factor to consider is the UK death rate since 2016. The elderly brexit generation is departing, the referendum result would not be the same now, and wasn't when we actually left either. They are also mainly takers, not givers to the state. 8,000 asylum seekers is a paltry amount. We have shortages now in service jobs UK people sniff at, an asylum seeker would jump at them. I have a few here very occasionally, they only need a decent break. I understand the givers and takers bit and you may be correct. Might it be that we are being somewhat forced into an uber healthy lifestyle so creating generation 90 plus which 30 years ago would have been 80% less. A rethink on retirement age and NI contributions will be coming soon. At present you need 35 years to qualify for a full pension. Maybe that is a problem in itself. Edited by cryrst (06 Jul 2021 1.29pm)
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The garden of England 06 Jul 21 1.28pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Another factor to consider is the UK death rate since 2016.

The elderly brexit generation is departing, the referendum result would not be the same now, and wasn't when we actually left either.

They are also mainly takers, not givers to the state.

8,000 asylum seekers is a paltry amount.

We have shortages now in service jobs UK people sniff at, an asylum seeker would jump at them.

I have a few here very occasionally, they only need a decent break.

I understand the givers and takers bit and you may be correct. Might it be that we are being somewhat forced into an uber healthy lifestyle so creating generation 90 plus which 30 years ago would have been 80% less.
A rethink on retirement age and NI contributions will be coming soon. At present you need 35 years to qualify for a full pension. Maybe that is a problem in itself.

Edited by cryrst (06 Jul 2021 1.29pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jul 21 1.50pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The double check analogy was about holding a confirmatory referendum, given all the new information available since the first, to make sure Brexit was really what people wanted. Not just whether they were tired of the process. And I have stated many times that as the EU needs to reform, it ultimately will reform. It was therefore very much in our interests to stay inside and be the driver of that reform rather than merely observing. You really are a sad man.
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06 Jul 21 1.50pm

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The double check analogy was about holding a confirmatory referendum, given all the new information available since the first, to make sure Brexit was really what people wanted. Not just whether they were tired of the process.

You really are a sad man.

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