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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 28 Dec 22 8.01pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don’t see any praying. Indeed we don’t hear anything he was actually saying. The police don’t arrest for no reason, so it seems likely they were concerned that a breach of the peace was going to happen if they didn’t act.

Unrelated to the other issue though.

my fella praying in the street is unrelated to the other woman praying in the street ?

do you hear yourself Wisbech ?

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Dec 22 8.07pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman '

It has a great deal to do with her praying. Her presence in the area wasn’t a crime in itself, it was the contents of her private thoughts that were considered a crime. If she had stood in the same place thinking about another topic, she would not have been arrested.

That’s completely wrong. It was the breaking of the order which was the issue.

She had previous. She had decided to ignore the order. As soon as she did so she invited being arrested.

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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 28 Dec 22 8.08pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am not the least wound up!

This has nothing at all to do with anyone standing in a public street! All the time you believe that is the issue then you have no chance of understanding it.

This is only to do with someone breaking a legal order.

She can stand, sit, dance or sing in a public street just so long as it’s not subject to an order. If she deliberately decides to do it where an order is in place there can only be one reason.

Her physical presence in the public space protection order area wasn’t a crime in itself. It was the contents of her private thoughts that were considered a crime - an Orwellian Thought Crime. If she had stood in the same place thinking about something else, she would not have been arrested. This repressive regulation is trying to police peoples' thoughts.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Dec 22 8.14pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

my fella praying in the street is unrelated to the other woman praying in the street ?

do you hear yourself Wisbech ?

I see no praying. I see preaching and proselytising in a public area. Which is lawful. So any arrest must be for something else.

In the other case there is a restriction on certain activities in place which was broken.

No relationship at all. '

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Dec 22 8.27pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Her physical presence in the public space protection order area wasn’t a crime in itself. It was the contents of her private thoughts that were considered a crime - an Orwellian Thought Crime. If she had stood in the same place thinking about something else, she would not have been arrested. This repressive regulation is trying to police peoples' thoughts.

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

She had previous. No doubt on previous occasions she was asked to move on as her activity was considered in contravention of the order. Only persistent disregard would result in an arrest. You might not think that someone just standing quietly constitutes a threat but you aren’t a vulnerable lady and it’s not up to you to make that determination. It has been made by those whose responsibility it is. You disagree. That’s tough. The law is sometimes.

If the authorities decide that her actions indicate she is breaking the order then she will be asked to leave or removed if she refuses. She can always sue for wrongful arrest and you can represent her. Good luck with that.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

She had previous. No doubt on previous occasions she was asked to move on as her activity was considered in contravention of the order. Only persistent disregard would result in an arrest. You might not think that someone just standing quietly constitutes a threat but you aren’t a vulnerable lady and it’s not up to you to make that determination. It has been made by those whose responsibility it is. You disagree. That’s tough. The law is sometimes.

If the authorities decide that her actions indicate she is breaking the order then she will be asked to leave or removed if she refuses. She can always sue for wrongful arrest and you can represent her. Good luck with that.

Are the authorities mind readers then, able to decide that her thoughts were criminal.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 28 Dec 22 8.48pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

so I am not on anyone’s side but if this woman is an activist with previous; then surely removing her from the area is reasonable and legal.
I mean if ten people with previous for ER protests with a bucket of superglue stand at clacket lane what are they about to do. The very thing that we want the police to stop but if plod waited until they’re stuck to the M25 before acting there would be all sorts of questions. That’s a mad analogy but all of us want people stopped or searched before they get a chance to commit a crime or hassle people. This woman could have approached a woman requiring the services of the clinic at a time when a woman’s head would be all over the place, fortunately she didn’t get the chance (again); which she has before according to reports.

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

so I am not on anyone’s side but if this woman is an activist with previous; then surely removing her from the area is reasonable and legal.
I mean if ten people with previous for ER protests with a bucket of superglue stand at clacket lane what are they about to do. The very thing that we want the police to stop but if plod waited until they’re stuck to the M25 before acting there would be all sorts of questions. That’s a mad analogy but all of us want people stopped or searched before they get a chance to commit a crime or hassle people. This woman could have approached a woman requiring the services of the clinic at a time when a woman’s head would be all over the place, fortunately she didn’t get the chance (again); which she has before according to reports.


Thank you Cryst, finally someone gets it. Isabel knows as a middle class white woman nothing bad is going to happen to her and she engineered the whole situation for this outcome.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 28 Dec 22 11.03pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


It still hasn't been explained what intimidation was involved.

Doesn’t matter. Her intention was to intimidate. Otherwise she would not have been where she was, despite that being against the law.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 28 Dec 22 11.06pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by berlinpalace


Thank you Cryst, finally someone gets it. Isabel knows as a middle class white woman nothing bad is going to happen to her and she engineered the whole situation for this outcome.

Entirely agree. As we have also seen from other people with an axe to grind recently. Cryrst, sometimes you surprise me. Your heart is in the right place, it’s just your philosophy that is suspect.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Dec 22 11.10pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Are the authorities mind readers then, able to decide that her thoughts were criminal.

Not necessary. They would ask questions and decide on the answers. Someone just loitering in a street where an order exists is either up to no good or needs help.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 28 Dec 22 11.12pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Doesn’t matter. Her intention was to intimidate. Otherwise she would not have been where she was, despite that being against the law.

So we can determine intentions? Remember the Sus law? That was a raging success

 

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