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"The case of a former sheriff's deputy on trial for failing to confront the Parkland gunman in 2018 could set a new bar for how police are expected to respond to a school mass shooting. Florida prosecutors say Mr Peterson, then an officer for the Broward Sheriff's Office, neglected his training and his duty by failing to enter that building while the gunman fired on students.
His trial comes a year after the massacre at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, where authorities faced outrage and investigations after they waited over an hour to enter the school while a gunman murdered small children inside.
Police officers are not legally obligated to sacrifice their lives on the job. But these recurring tragedies frequently place law enforcement in the position of having to defend students and engage directly with armed assailants."

It's an interesting case for me, because of the largely emotional stance taken by parents, that here's an armed officer who goes missing when he's needed. Cowardice ? Think of the children.
Ii think this trial is going to offer an interesting insight into how law enforcement are struggling with idiots who can easily purchase military grade weaponry.
Effectively, the officer had minimal training for this situation, and had been provided with a lower grade of firearm than the shooter.
The things a police officer would have to immediately consider before engagement are:
Is my weaponry suitable for the purpose ?
Is my training appropriate for what may possible be multiple shooters , who may perhaps have a military background ?
Am I willing to put my life on the line, for what may be a pointless sacrifice ?
The initial bit of the trial is to do with whether his position actually makes him accountable.
And for me the slightly crazy bit, is that you can actually be prosecuted for not facing a maniac with a gun.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (29 Jun 2023 5.20am)

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 29 Jun 23 7.33am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Cowardliness is not a crime.

The man should be sacked from his job not prosecuted, he will have to live with his inactions for the rest of his life but making him criminally responsible is a bridge too far.

I wonder how many people complaining that police officers don't put their life on the line are the same ones demanding the police be defunded.


 


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Jun 23 11.48am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

They're not going to need to defund the police in the US, UK, France and Ireland. No one's going to join anymore anyway. The wages and conditions are sh1t, they're treated like sh1t by the public, their bosses and politicians. Arrest people you need to write an essay and explain all the criminal's complaints. God forbid you kill someone who is trying to shoot you and they're the wrong colour or gender, then there's a nationwide riot. If you don't kill someone you can now get done too, seemingly. Not long before totally lawless becomes a reality. I'm not seeing any governments doing anything.

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 29 Jun 23 6.31pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Its an interesting case. I did at first wonder if it fell under some kind of 'duty of care' aspect which is part of English Common Law.

My attitude is this.

If you are legally issued a deadly weapon as part of your equipment to go to work, then an assumption has to be made that you are responsible for using it to protect others. No weapon, then I get it but carrying a gun and then not going forward into that school is definitely a potential neglect of care issue.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 29 Jun 23 7.16pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Its an interesting case. I did at first wonder if it fell under some kind of 'duty of care' aspect which is part of English Common Law.

My attitude is this.

If you are legally issued a deadly weapon as part of your equipment to go to work, then an assumption has to be made that you are responsible for using it to protect others. No weapon, then I get it but carrying a gun and then not going forward into that school is definitely a potential neglect of care issue.

Could not stopping at a car crash be put in the same category. Don’t need a weapon to help but choose to drive on. If this sticks it makes the present hate ‘laws’ seem like child’s play imho.

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

Could not stopping at a car crash be put in the same category. Don’t need a weapon to help but choose to drive on. If this sticks it makes the present hate ‘laws’ seem like child’s play imho.


I believe, technically, you could be guilty of it. But this particular man was paid, and provided a deadly weapon, to protect others.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 29 Jun 23 7.50pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Matov


I believe, technically, you could be guilty of it. But this particular man was paid, and provided a deadly weapon, to protect others.

Fight or flight. From the concept of our ability to walk and co exist with others no one knows until you are there!

 

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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 30 Jun 23 6.52am Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

It was an absurd prosecution and he has quite rightly been found not guilty.

 

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