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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 03 Oct 23 11.15am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by Palace 1979

I think there are 3 things that could be done to improve things as VAR could work with the right people involved and a change of how it's used.

1) have an ex-player/manager who understands the game in the room making VAR decisions not the same Refs that are all part of the 'Refs clique'.

Can't see this making a Blind bit of difference. People say that ex-players who've been in that situation will be able To make the right decision - but if that's the case, then why are there so many post match debates on decisions, from ex-players?

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2) use Rugby example. Decisions shown on screen in stadium with live feed so everyone understands what is going on.


This Would certainly help the Ref's cause, as we will all be in the open about why the decision has been made, and will allow a lot of people to either understand and accept the decision, or disagree with the decision making process - which is a lot more constructive than disagreeing with A decision which you have to make suppositions about how it was arrived at.

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3) only allow each team 3 chances to question a decision. If it is overturned and a clear error then don't lose one of their available 3. American football/Tennis also use this rule and it seems widely accepted in both sports.

I just don't think that this will make any difference. In the case of offside- the flag is still raised 'late', the system will be open to abuse (i.e. timeouts) and ultimately, the same people will be making the same decisions, which will include wrong calls.

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This might finally get the VAR used effectively as it has a place if people like Darren England are no longer in charge of it.

There are 2 categories or VAR - those that *should* be categorical yes/no decisions- (i.e. Ball line tech ... and offside), and those that require some form of human Interpretation,(i.e. penalties & handballs)

The Catagorical decisions need foolproof tech that cannot be misused/misinterpreted. I think that we can all see that Ball line technology is a good example, and Offside is not. Better Tech is required for Offsides.

As for the interpretable decisions, This is where VAR should be a tool for the on-field refs to help and should be understood that each decision could be interpreted in a different way. Therefore, the end decision still may be 'interpreted' as incorrect and it should be accepted that these decisions are not black and white. The aim here is for the correct decision to be arrived at more often.
The complicated rules are such that I cannot see how this can be implemented in any other way.

I Would add that Slow-motion replays should be banned from the decision making process. Every tiny movement looks intentional in slow motion, and I think it causes more incorrect decisions than it corrects.


Edited by CrazyBadger (03 Oct 2023 11.16am)

 


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View Goalpost1's Profile Goalpost1 Flag Worcester Park 03 Oct 23 11.55am Send a Private Message to Goalpost1 Add Goalpost1 as a friend

I think this is getting into dangerous territory. What will Liverpool ask/demand if they get the audio? Most likely it will just prove the incompetence. Then what? Liverpool have benefitted before from a number of questionable VAR decisions. All swings and roundabouts.

Wolves had an apology for the lack of penalty in the game against Man U, there was never any suggestion of replaying etc.

 

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View Gribbo's Profile Gribbo Flag Bromley 03 Oct 23 12.26pm Send a Private Message to Gribbo Add Gribbo as a friend

It is poor old Sean Dyche I feel sorry for. Every week Everton get turned over because the officials are not doing their job properly. It also happened to him season after season when he was at Burnley. When is someone going to apologize to Sean?

 

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View Plumpton eagle's Profile Plumpton eagle Flag East Sussex 03 Oct 23 7.34pm Send a Private Message to Plumpton eagle Add Plumpton eagle as a friend

Just listened to audio of VAR Liverpool cock up. It makes the VAR system seem even worse than what many of us feared.

Only the technician, not the qualified referees seemed to know what was going on. Shockingly amateurish and chaotic.

Within 5 seconds of the restart Darren England is made aware of his error. All he can manage is "Can't do anything" - pathetic. How about stopping the game, rectifying your mistake (awarding the goal) and then taking the consequences for not slavishly following a clearly inadequate/inappropriate VAR restart process.

A complete lack of character shown mixed with a degree of arrogance. Just like when awarding the Villa penalty at Palace. He is not fit to referee or officiate as a VAR.

Banning him for one weekend is not going to change his character.

 

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View Palace 1979's Profile Palace 1979 Flag Surrey 03 Oct 23 7.34pm Send a Private Message to Palace 1979 Add Palace 1979 as a friend

I have now heard the VAR commentary from the Liverpool game as it has been made public.

Absolutely unbelievable and truly shows what we all thought, it's a little boys club with huge ego's who are completely incompetent.

Darren England and his assistant VAR were even questioned by the VAR operator as to their decision (and he is not there to be involved with decision making)who wanted to clarify that they were aware what the on-field decision was, they basically brushed him off and said check complete.

Fair play to the assistant ref Michael Oliver who was saying the decision is wrong, you then hear the ref swear. Audio then heard saying there is nothing we can do....stop the game award the correct decision and take some responsibility!

It all comes back to having the technology but the wrong people in charge of it !

I think Palace should request Darren England's commentary of his arrogant Villa decision too !

There is a running theme here....

 


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View Palace 1979's Profile Palace 1979 Flag Surrey 03 Oct 23 7.45pm Send a Private Message to Palace 1979 Add Palace 1979 as a friend

Link for commentary of VAR...

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Some people are like Slinkies … not really good for anything, but you can’t help smiling when you see one tumble down the stairs.

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View Gary St.Andrews's Profile Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 04 Oct 23 7.08am Send a Private Message to Gary St.Andrews Add Gary St.Andrews as a friend

Well,well,well Darren England. Didn’t take long for this t*** to resurface again!

 

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 04 Oct 23 7.21am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

To be clear - Oli, is not Michael Oliver - it is a var guy.

 

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View Davepalace707's Profile Davepalace707 Flag Northumberland 04 Oct 23 9.30am Send a Private Message to Davepalace707 Add Davepalace707 as a friend

I think Darren England needs to edit his LinkedIn profile:

“I am a reliable, focused and driven individual. I set myself high personal and professional standards and expect the same from those I work with. I am exceptionally conscientious and methodical but I have learnt to adapt my approach when faced with the unexpected, finding ‘out of the box’ solutions when appropriate. I work well as part of a team and have excellent communication skills that I have used effectively to engage, support and motivate others.”

 

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View PZ Eagle's Profile PZ Eagle Flag Penzance 04 Oct 23 9.54am Send a Private Message to PZ Eagle Add PZ Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Davepalace707

I think Darren England needs to edit his LinkedIn profile:

“I am a reliable, focused and driven individual. I set myself high personal and professional standards and expect the same from those I work with. I am exceptionally conscientious and methodical but I have learnt to adapt my approach when faced with the unexpected, finding ‘out of the box’ solutions when appropriate. I work well as part of a team and have excellent communication skills that I have used effectively to engage, support and motivate others.”

 


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 04 Oct 23 2.12pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Davepalace707

I think Darren England needs to edit his LinkedIn profile:

“I am a reliable, focused and driven individual. I set myself high personal and professional standards and expect the same from those I work with. I am exceptionally conscientious and methodical but I have learnt to adapt my approach when faced with the unexpected, finding ‘out of the box’ solutions when appropriate. I work well as part of a team and have excellent communication skills that I have used effectively to engage, support and motivate others.”

Did you honestly look that up?

 


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View Elpis's Profile Elpis Flag In a pub 04 Oct 23 2.23pm Send a Private Message to Elpis Add Elpis as a friend

VAR has become a farce .Well the way its implemented has . The CL shows how its done with instant decisions ,they use a slightly different system to ourswhich apparently we were offered but turned it down as it takes the final say out of the refs hands .

What makes me laugh , well I would cry otherwise is all the fellas at Stockley park turn up in full refs kit

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And we still need a striker

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