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View Plaistow Eagle's Profile Plaistow Eagle Flag 05 Nov 23 1.08pm Send a Private Message to Plaistow Eagle Add Plaistow Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

What are the options ?

I keep saying give Richards a chance at Right Back - he’s quicker, more athletic and mobile - he’s got a good touch ad decent distribution.

OK he may not be the long term solution - but got to be a better option than Ward right now and will stop teams targeting our right side.

COYP

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 05 Nov 23 1.46pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Plaistow Eagle

I keep saying give Richards a chance at Right Back - he’s quicker, more athletic and mobile - he’s got a good touch ad decent distribution.

OK he may not be the long term solution - but got to be a better option than Ward right now and will stop teams targeting our right side.

COYP


Whilst he is quicker and more athletic than Ward, the question is whether Richards has the nous to know where to position himself when defending at RB. As Hodgson and his team aren't taking the Richards at RB option at present it would seem reasonable to assume that they have their doubts about his ability to do the RB job.

I'm not defending Ward BTW. The alternative at present is Clyne but is he actually any better?

Of the youngsters, Imray looks promising nut was held back by injuries for most of last season. He is good going forward as well.

As an aside to those moaning about Ward being the captain, he's the club captain and that doesn't entitle him to a playing role anymore than it did for Luka in his final two years.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 05 Nov 23 1.57pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Well, the way I saw it, we looked like an experienced Premier League team playing against a willing and enthusiastic newcomer lacking in quality.

Burnley are consistently making mistakes at the back. So it was no surprise that they conceded two cheap goals. They also struggle to turn possession into goals. I think our gameplan was to pick them off and win the match which we duly did. Burnley could certainly not be considered unlucky, just not good enough.

Palace will probably play better in other games and lose. But yesterday did enough to get the points.

While it's true that the team have reverted back to a more pragmatic style, you can't expect to lose Olise, Zaha and Eze without there being an impact.

 


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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 05 Nov 23 2.04pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by palace99

i disagree. whilst the 3 points were very welcome we were shocking from the first minute and had no idea how to attack. We time wasted from kick off and once we scored - great persistence from Ayew, but shocking defending - with our only chance, we just sat back and tried to run the clock down.

IMHO you need to be at games to see how things pan out - TV shows a limited view of the pitch. The top 4 , with the exception of the occasional Ayew piece of magic, is so limited. JS other than the goal was clueless and Hughes is so slow he offered nothing.

Yes we have injuries but very team has injuries. All our players are millionaires with much top flight experience.

I don't think it is unreasonable to expect them to pass the ball, move into space and maybe beat their opponent occasionally.

Our away set away is so one dimensional. If a team score early e.g. Newcastle, there is no plan B.

You do not seem to understand that Ayew, Eze and Olise are a top class trio, Olise and soon hopefully Eze are, and will be on mega bucks, obviously the replacements when injured are not of the same quality, but we cant afford that, yes we need a RB and a CF and hopefully Franca will adapt to the role, but there will be no midfield additions in Jan, that is for sure.

 


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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 05 Nov 23 2.05pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

I believe yesterday was possibly one of the first times (if not the first) that Ward was taken off as a tactical substitution by Roy.
He was struggling against the winger and despite his good positioning and physical strength he can’t deal with raw pace or clever footwork.
I think this could be his last season at first team level, but he has been a brilliant player for the club.
Richards has featured in a couple of cameos as a full back and hasn’t impressed being all at sea positionally.
It might be something he could learn, but you wouldn’t want him exposed at Premier League level.
He’s athletic, competitive and decent in the air and I like him as a player but only as a centre back where he can best display his attributes.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 05 Nov 23 2.07pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

I’m sure we would all love to see Palace playing progressive attacking football like the top teams. However, to do that SUCCESSFULLY you need the right players and we simply don’t have enough of them to achieve that.

In my 50 years supporting Palace I think I’ve only ever seen one team that could play decent possession football and get results and that was the Venables team that got us promoted but which was soon undone with the sale of key players and therein lies our problem – keeping the players that can play the kind of football people hanker after.

“Look at Brighton”, people say. Yes, they have done really well the last couple of seasons but how long will they be able to sustain it? I can recall Southampton having a short spell in the top 10 but they sold too many good players and failed to replace them with adequate replacements. Brighton risk doing the same.

I wasn’t at yesterday’s game, but judging by the intermittent reports on the Beeb, we were pretty poor but we were game savvy and clinical. The score line flattered us but then we’ve lost points in games when our performance warranted a better return.
I’ll reserve judgement on our style of play until we have our 1st choice line-up match fit and playing.

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 05 Nov 23 2.11pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by Vectis

Good call. Just because he doesn’t score many goals (last week being a rare exception) he tends to be underrated. But his work rate, close ball control and ability to hold onto the ball and draw fouls are immense. Add to that he very rarely is missing due to injury and it’s not surprising he is one of the first names on the team sheet

He is playing the best football of his career, POTY so far, as you say his close control and strength on the ball has become almost Wilfesque

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 05 Nov 23 2.14pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by mileend

Ayew 6th highest goal scorer in Palace PL History with 18, but he'd better watch out as a certain Jeffrey Schlupp has just moved up to joint 7th with 17 goals

Their popularity is well deserved!

An internet source I looked at this morning put JA on 19 and JS on 17. Whether it's 19 or 18, he is, of course, the player in the current squad with the most PL goals to his name.

 


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View nead1's Profile nead1 Flag 05 Nov 23 2.33pm Send a Private Message to nead1 Add nead1 as a friend

I was at the game yesterday and agree with most of the points about Ward; his physical presence/positioning is strong but it is the raw pace that seems to be the problem as he gets older; interestingly, when Clyne came on, the problem down the right side seemed to dissipate. Clyne has a lower centre of gravity, is a bit quicker and supports the attack more in my view. I wonder what Roy will do next week - maybe give Ward a bit of a rest?
It was also interesting to see Roy keep Hughes on for the full 90 and take of Doucoure. I sense Hughes is very much a Roy type player and wouldn't be surprised if he stays in the team next week along with Schlupp.
For me the stand out player yesterday was Andersen; very competitive, reads the game so well and make some crucial tackles.
Its also worth noting that only on one occasion if I recall, did Johnstone play out from the back. It was all much more direct - a big contrast to how Viera set his teams up.

 

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View JRW2's Profile JRW2 Flag Dulwich 05 Nov 23 2.53pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Ward is so good these days that opposition players are instructed by their management to play the ball constantly down his side of the pitch, such is their awe at watching him perform. Now that's respect.

I don't think the Newcastle players could have been given that instruction a couple of weeks ago.

 

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View Plaistow Eagle's Profile Plaistow Eagle Flag 05 Nov 23 3.45pm Send a Private Message to Plaistow Eagle Add Plaistow Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Whilst he is quicker and more athletic than Ward, the question is whether Richards has the nous to know where to position himself when defending at RB. As Hodgson and his team aren't taking the Richards at RB option at present it would seem reasonable to assume that they have their doubts about his ability to do the RB job.

I'm not defending Ward BTW. The alternative at present is Clyne but is he actually any better?

Of the youngsters, Imray looks promising nut was held back by injuries for most of last season. He is good going forward as well.

As an aside to those moaning about Ward being the captain, he's the club captain and that doesn't entitle him to a playing role anymore than it did for Luka in his final two years.

But - there’s always a but - we all know Roy is stubborn - beyond that seems to have somewhat of a blind alliance to some of his favourites - of which Ward is clearly one..!!

My view on trying Richards at right back - is that he must be a better option currently than Ward - who simply looks like a major weak link in the team at this point in time..!!

Look don’t get me wrong - Ward has been an absolute stalwart for the club - but as others have said old Father Time has caught up with him and his legs seem to have gone - nothing personal against Ward just an honest observation - happens to every player in latter years..!!

Clyne - is he really any different - maybe marginally the better option of the 2 at this point in time - but certainly not the long term solution.

No nothing about Imray - so will bow to your knowledge.

At this juncture I’d give Richards a go for a few games - if it doesn’t work out - right back is an absolute priority in the January window - but that’s probably been true since AWB left for Manure..!!

On the captaincy agree doesn’t mean Ward has to play - but when he does just don’t like the message it sends - worst player Captain - but that’s me..!!

For me Guehi has to be Captain - leads by example and is the future - but again a personal opinion.

COYP

 

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View grumpymort's Profile grumpymort Flag US/Thailand/UK 05 Nov 23 3.53pm Send a Private Message to grumpymort Add grumpymort as a friend

Originally posted by Vectis

Agree. We’ve tried the young progressive manager route with FDB and PV and how did that work out? Indeed, all the indignation by the media when PV was sacked. None of them now want to admit Roy is a far better manager and well suited to getting results from a squad such as ours, recently missing some of its best players and not full of expensive superstars. Indeed any of them noticed how poorly PV is performing back in France managing Strasbourg - just hovering over the relegation places.

Again, remember classic Pardew ‘entertaining’ football leading to results such as 5-4 loss away at Swansea after leading. And where are Swansea these days after being held up at one time as an example of how ‘football should be played’?

Roy and before him Pulis and Allardyce knows how to set up Palace teams to get results and the points necessary to succeed in the unforgiving Premier league. There are many clubs now languishing in the Championship or League 1 that would swap places even if it means watching football that is pragmatic and effective rather than ‘swashbuckling’ in style


FDB was never given a proper chance not a good example to use.

Pardew got us to a cup final something we had not achieved in a very long time and you could say it was with Championship level players.

Roy took one of those teams down so did Sam.

People are looking at how we played towards the end of last season and enjoyed it so why cant we play like that now again these teams that are at bottom of the league not the boring stuff which is why so many wanted Roy gone before.

Football is suppose to be entertaining

Out of interest would you be happy if Palace next season chose to go with Sam or Pullis?

 


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