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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 12 Dec 23 9.17am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by SnapperKain


The truth of the matter is that unless you've got a ton of cash to spend, you're just not going to have the kind of depth in the squad with quality that we need at the moment. I'm not buying the theory that Parish and the board are holding back, I think it's true to say that Parish has been distracted with the new stand, but I don't know where we're supposed to be getting the kind of money that would buy in four or five, first team ready players. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it, but I just don't see where we're going to get the finance from without selling our better players and then you're robbing Peter to pay Paul. Add in that agents will smell the desperation and inflate prices and it's all looking a bit screwed unless we can get some high-quality loans in.

Anyone know of a bored, Palace supporting billionaire anywhere? How much cash has Neil Morrissey got lying around? Must of made a few quid from that Bob the Builder stuff...

I get the point, and we are never going to have hundreds of million pounds of players sat on the bench, but its not an excuse to manage a squad as badly as we have.

We've had 1 left back for what 3 seasons now, just hoping that he never gets injured. Genuinely how mad is that.

Jairo is STILL on the payroll. Tomkins is STILL on the payroll.

Clubs around us picked up decent loans, we got nobody.

Clubs around us signed wide men for similar money to what we signed Franca for

Although we got one, there were plenty of decent free transfers around.

So no we don't have millions and millions, so we need to be smart. And we havent been.

And also, selling players is a fact of life, strategically with his age, we should be actively looking to sell Anderson this summer to maximise his fee.

So yeah, injuries are particularly bad at the moment, but we've done nothing to mitigate it.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Dec 23 9.30am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Worry not dear friends - The Transfer Window opens in under 3 weeks !

 

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View SnapperKain's Profile SnapperKain Flag SE25 6PU 12 Dec 23 9.48am Send a Private Message to SnapperKain Add SnapperKain as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

I get the point, and we are never going to have hundreds of million pounds of players sat on the bench, but its not an excuse to manage a squad as badly as we have.

We've had 1 left back for what 3 seasons now, just hoping that he never gets injured. Genuinely how mad is that.

Jairo is STILL on the payroll. Tomkins is STILL on the payroll.

Clubs around us picked up decent loans, we got nobody.

Clubs around us signed wide men for similar money to what we signed Franca for

Although we got one, there were plenty of decent free transfers around.

So no we don't have millions and millions, so we need to be smart. And we havent been.

And also, selling players is a fact of life, strategically with his age, we should be actively looking to sell Anderson this summer to maximise his fee.

So yeah, injuries are particularly bad at the moment, but we've done nothing to mitigate it.

You make a good point, I have no idea why we still have Ridewald or Tomkins at the club, Tomkins has done well for us in the past (when he's not injured) but he's not up to Prem level anymore and Ridewald... well he looks like a nice chap on a personal level, but that's not enough to be keeping him here and he's not up to it.

You're right in that we're crying out for replacement/cover for both our full-backs, with needing someone up front for years and in retrospect, I don't get bringing Franca in if it would seem he's not first team ready for the amount we've paid. All the fanfare we had seemed to suggest he'd walk straight in...

We could have done better in the last window and maybe had more loans lined up than just putting all our effort into getting Hall here, agree with that, and I can only think that we bought Holding in as they felt that Anderson was on his way to Newcastle as was the rumour at the time. At least Lerma was a decent signing. Kept thinking last season that we were lucky with injuries and felt we should have done more business in the loan market in the last window for extra cover.

We've done alright in the past with bringing in Anderson, Guehi, Olise, Eze, Johnstone, Doucoure and then keeping hold of them in the last transfer window or two (imagine what we'd be saying if Olise had gone to Man City or Chelsea, although guess it might of freed up some transfer budget) and they were all positions that needed filling, but does feel that since then we've been treading water and if we'd gotten hold of just a decent right back and centre forward at least since then, then we'd be in a better state of affairs. Although I know I'm stating the bl00dy obvious there!

 


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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 12 Dec 23 9.52am Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

I get the point, and we are never going to have hundreds of million pounds of players sat on the bench, but its not an excuse to manage a squad as badly as we have.

We've had 1 left back for what 3 seasons now, just hoping that he never gets injured. Genuinely how mad is that.

Jairo is STILL on the payroll. Tomkins is STILL on the payroll.

Clubs around us picked up decent loans, we got nobody.

Clubs around us signed wide men for similar money to what we signed Franca for

Although we got one, there were plenty of decent free transfers around.

So no we don't have millions and millions, so we need to be smart. And we havent been.

And also, selling players is a fact of life, strategically with his age, we should be actively looking to sell Anderson this summer to maximise his fee.

So yeah, injuries are particularly bad at the moment, but we've done nothing to mitigate it.


I have always had great respect for Parish&Co, keeping us in the league as long as they have , not often really pretty but they did it.
What you set out here is what , the club must have seen ,it’s plain as day. So why is your list so factual? We can only guess the answer to that, for me , two or three things come to mind. Plain old over confidence , when not warranted . Actually accepting we probably go to the Championship , but financially sound. Or simply not keeping up with the fact that the game is now very clearly an eighteen man game, when we have a job finding eleven.

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Online Flag 12 Dec 23 9.55am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Jairo is apparently a great personality and is good with the U21 players. The fact Richards is starting ahead of him tells you everything about how he's rated as a first-team player though. No idea why Tomkins was kept on other than possibly because he accepted a low wage?

Relegation is suddenly looking like a very real possibility which in a strange way might not be a bad thing as it might force the board to act. If we were going into the new year with over 20 points on the board (which seems unlikely now) then they might be more conservative. They can't afford to be now, whether that's a couple of loans or permanent signings. With Ayew gone for AFCON in January they also need to act early. The only issue is with most clubs suffering significant injury lists they may be more reluctant to loan out senior players.

 

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View EddieMac's Profile EddieMac Flag 12 Dec 23 10.05am Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Jairo is apparently a great personality and is good with the U21 players. The fact Richards is starting ahead of him tells you everything about how he's rated as a first-team player though. No idea why Tomkins was kept on other than possibly because he accepted a low wage?

Relegation is suddenly looking like a very real possibility which in a strange way might not be a bad thing as it might force the board to act. If we were going into the new year with over 20 points on the board (which seems unlikely now) then they might be more conservative. They can't afford to be now, whether that's a couple of loans or permanent signings. With Ayew gone for AFCON in January they also need to act early. The only issue is with most clubs suffering significant injury lists they may be more reluctant to loan out senior players.

I agree with this statement. As awful as this season is, It is probably a blessing in disguise that we are close to relegation spots as it will force the hand of the owners to do some business in January.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 Dec 23 10.07am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by EddieMac

I agree with this statement. As awful as this season is, It is probably a blessing in disguise that we are close to relegation spots as it will force the hand of the owners to do some business in January.

I'm not banking on it however this is my hope!

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Elpis's Profile Elpis Flag In a pub 12 Dec 23 10.21am Send a Private Message to Elpis Add Elpis as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Worry not dear friends - The Transfer Window opens in under 3 weeks !


Indeed but it doesn't close for seven weeks which is when will do any deals if any .

 


And we still need a striker

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Dec 23 10.31am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Elpis


Indeed but it doesn't close for seven weeks which is when will do any deals if any .

I feel confident that there will be additions in the Transfer Window.

 

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View palace99's Profile palace99 Flag New Mills 12 Dec 23 11.02am Send a Private Message to palace99 Add palace99 as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Jairo is apparently a great personality and is good with the U21 players. The fact Richards is starting ahead of him tells you everything about how he's rated as a first-team player though. No idea why Tomkins was kept on other than possibly because he accepted a low wage?

Relegation is suddenly looking like a very real possibility which in a strange way might not be a bad thing as it might force the board to act. If we were going into the new year with over 20 points on the board (which seems unlikely now) then they might be more conservative. They can't afford to be now, whether that's a couple of loans or permanent signings. With Ayew gone for AFCON in January they also need to act early. The only issue is with most clubs suffering significant injury lists they may be more reluctant to loan out senior players.

Palace have one of the highest wage bills (as a % of revenue) in the Prem and this has limited our transfer activity over the years. Transfer fees are only 1 part of the total player package and so SP must take some of the blame for paying too much and giving players too long contracts. Similarly the big purchases and wages of Benteke and Sakho restricted our transfer activity for the next 4 or so years.

Jairo is a classic example. He is in his 7th season with the club yet has only played 70 odd league games, and many of those were as sub. To give him a 2 year extension when he still had 18 months left of his original contract was bizarre.
He clearly could go back to Holland yet knows he will have to take a massive pay cut so seems happy to take his £50k a week. The fact that he is a LB and DCM, areas where we have injuries now, and he still can't get a game speaks volumes.

Tomkins is the same. Has now rarely played for the last 4 years (including the season before MG and Andersen were signed), and when he has, has looked off the pace, but keeps getting renewed.
He must still be on a decent wage else he wouldn't renew and it must be more than say Champ sides could offer (as for example both Cahill and Dann dropped to Champ after we released them).

When i look at players like Hughes i can see why Watford weren't prepared to give him a payrise and he left to come to us. He's 28 and should be at his peak. He should definitely be able to cover for Doucoure, yet he's so off the pace it's embarrassing.

When you buy players from Arsenal and Man U (Holding and Hendersen) you know they will be on big wages so to give them parity they need to be first teamers. The fact neither has played 1 minute of league football for us speaks volumes.

Yes we have injuries in midfield but on paper this is probably the area we have the most cover - the fact they are not good enough is the issue.

CM - Doucoure and Lerma are first choices. Options include Schlupp, Hughes, Jairo, Ahamada and also young Ozoh. The 1st 3 are all on over £50k a week and the 4th cost over £10m.

 

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View Pete53's Profile Pete53 Flag Hassocks 12 Dec 23 11.06am Send a Private Message to Pete53 Add Pete53 as a friend

Originally posted by beak

That Dutch guy ,i play De boring football,what happened to him. A record of 7played ,seven lost now that is very exciting.

To be fair to Frank he was only around for the first four of those defeats. Roy oversaw the next three.

 

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View Mr Palaceman's Profile Mr Palaceman Flag 12 Dec 23 11.40am Send a Private Message to Mr Palaceman Add Mr Palaceman as a friend

Originally posted by palace99

Palace have one of the highest wage bills (as a % of revenue) in the Prem and this has limited our transfer activity over the years. Transfer fees are only 1 part of the total player package and so SP must take some of the blame for paying too much and giving players too long contracts. Similarly the big purchases and wages of Benteke and Sakho restricted our transfer activity for the next 4 or so years.

Jairo is a classic example. He is in his 7th season with the club yet has only played 70 odd league games, and many of those were as sub. To give him a 2 year extension when he still had 18 months left of his original contract was bizarre.
He clearly could go back to Holland yet knows he will have to take a massive pay cut so seems happy to take his £50k a week. The fact that he is a LB and DCM, areas where we have injuries now, and he still can't get a game speaks volumes.

Tomkins is the same. Has now rarely played for the last 4 years (including the season before MG and Andersen were signed), and when he has, has looked off the pace, but keeps getting renewed.
He must still be on a decent wage else he wouldn't renew and it must be more than say Champ sides could offer (as for example both Cahill and Dann dropped to Champ after we released them).

When i look at players like Hughes i can see why Watford weren't prepared to give him a payrise and he left to come to us. He's 28 and should be at his peak. He should definitely be able to cover for Doucoure, yet he's so off the pace it's embarrassing.

When you buy players from Arsenal and Man U (Holding and Hendersen) you know they will be on big wages so to give them parity they need to be first teamers. The fact neither has played 1 minute of league football for us speaks volumes.

Yes we have injuries in midfield but on paper this is probably the area we have the most cover - the fact they are not good enough is the issue.

CM - Doucoure and Lerma are first choices. Options include Schlupp, Hughes, Jairo, Ahamada and also young Ozoh. The 1st 3 are all on over £50k a week and the 4th cost over £10m.

So why have Palace got one of the highest wage burdens? It's because you have to pay higher wage to get players to a club like Palace. We just aren't a fashionable club, compared to those around us. That instantly puts a premium on a players wage here.

Roy Hodgson talks about this in the last FYP interview. He explains that when he was manager at Blackburn, they would identify good players to buy but they didn't want to come to the club. So you have to offer a higher wage and to keep what you have, you tie players into longer contracts.

Personally, I don't think we are in danger of going down. If we can sign a couple of goodish players in January, for cover, great but, I'm not to optimistic about that. All the clubs around us will be in the same position.

My fear is losing the good players we have because even with the money, it will be near impossible to find the like to replace them. We would have to take a punt and in the following season the fans would only moan about why did we buy this player or that player and on such a high wage...

Finding players for a club like us very difficult. All we have is a good fanbase and players seem to like it here. If we do get the new stand built, that will help.. A little bit.

 


"You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"

Stan Laurel

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