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JRW2 Flag Dulwich 15 Jun 24 4.07pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

(1) "That's not what I'm hearing on doorsteps up and down the country."
(2) "I make no apology for supporting/attacking/proposing...."
(3) "We think it's fair to ask the wealthiest to pay a little more." ASK?
(4) "Rachel Reeves has made clear".... something that she hasn't made clear.
(5) "Working people" and "hard-working people". Phrases that Wes Streeting was asked to define yesterday and couldn't.
"What's important...." - the classic way of trying to head off a difficult question.

My word, I'll be glad when this depressing circus is over.

 

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YT Flag Oxford 15 Jun 24 4.09pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by JRW2

(1) "That's not what I'm hearing on doorsteps up and down the country."
(2) "I make no apology for supporting/attacking/proposing...."
(3) "We think it's fair to ask the wealthiest to pay a little more." ASK?
(4) "Rachel Reeves has made clear".... something that she hasn't made clear.
(5) "Working people" and "hard-working people". Phrases that Wes Streeting was asked to define yesterday and couldn't.
"What's important...." - the classic way of trying to head off a difficult question.

My word, I'll be glad when this depressing circus is over.

After which you'll be taxed untill your ring is sore.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 15 Jun 24 4.12pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

How do you know a politician is lying?

Their lips are moving.

 


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JRW2 Flag Dulwich 15 Jun 24 4.15pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by YT

After which you'll be taxed untill your ring is sore.

I didn't intend for the devil to get into my post, but I suppose its presence is not inappropriate.

 

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Jun 24 4.24pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

I'm struggling to think of politicians of real substance currently. Would almost be refreshing to hear people like Corbyn - he seems to actually have ideals if you agree with them or not. Plus, there's the odd comical policy from flamboyant politicians - which I guess the only one I can think of now is Galloway.
They're nearly all so boring and seem to toe the party line now - so you essentially just get no answer to any genuine, specific questions.
One solution I could think of would be legally binding manifestos - say something like if a promise is made in a manifesto then it has to be achieved or a new election is called. But I guess all that would mean is watered down manifestos - which is what we pretty much already have.
Basically seems to have a bunch of used car salesmen politicians currently but they make Arthur Daley look like a classical Shakespearian performance with their sheer lack of guile, common sense and, frankly, intelligence. Outside of party leaders and a couple of notable villains/ heroes I'd struggle to name any of the current cabinet - same for the shadow cabinet. They're all just so forgettable. They have scandals and are so lack lustre that we all forget by the next day. There's nothing even remotely interesting about any of them.
It makes it pretty obvious how people like Boris do well. Think about this: I bet you know the colour of Boris's eyes - do you know Starmer's - I would have to guess. Is there something in that? I suspect there is.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 15 Jun 24 4.40pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

"I think the real question here is"... something for which I have a prepared answer.
"Firstly may I just say"...something completely unrelated.
"If you'd just let me finish"...I might be able to scramble out some sort of excuse.
" My dad was"... What? On the rack up the 'dilly?

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Jun 24 5.13pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Does anyone need to be told that Keir Starmer's dad was a toolmaker?
I'd have though that it was obvious to anyone. His dad made a proper tool.

The whole Labour shadow cabinet are weirdos.

Fully costed... Fully costed... bleep bleep...

 

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Jun 24 5.37pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Does anyone need to be told that Keir Starmer's dad was a toolmaker?
I'd have though that it was obvious to anyone. His dad made a proper tool.

The whole Labour shadow cabinet are weirdos.

Fully costed... Fully costed... bleep bleep...

Sounds like the Kinnock speech that Biden somehow copied. One was just total lies. I would believe Starmer's father was a tool maker. He at least partly made Keir.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Jun 24 9.22pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Sounds like the Kinnock speech that Biden somehow copied. One was just total lies. I would believe Starmer's father was a tool maker. He at least partly made Keir.

I think I just said that.

I cannot hear the phrases, Fully costed, smash the gangs, no plan, crashed the economy, Tory chaos, tax trap or stability with change again before the election. These muppets are doing my head in.

I just turn the TV down.

 

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Eaglehamster Flag Storrington 16 Jun 24 8.03am Send a Private Message to Eaglehamster Add Eaglehamster as a friend

Perhaps the most annoying tactic is to waffle on and on with the object of reducing the time an interviewer can can awkward questions.

They've all been on the same training course.

 


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Matov Flag 16 Jun 24 9.32am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglehamster


They've all been on the same training course.

They have. And all come from a similar background. Usually teenage involvement with politics even before University followed by involvement at a local level.

Now in and of itself, not really a bad thing but I also think that what that does is effectively have a political system that spawns its own.

Plus, and this is not any of their fault, almost none of them have had the experience of war. Probably since about 1930 onwards until perhaps the late 80's, we had a political class almost all forged in their youths in two horrendous world-wars. And not only stress tested by the violence but also the struggle between competing forms of political ideology. Communism, Fascism, National Socialism etc all competing with the idea that Liberal Democracy was the best way for the (supra in the case of Communism) nation-state to be run. This was a political class who had witnessed, very often first-hand, the consequences of politics playing out in its most severe form.

Where as what we have now is essentially a managerial class. People who have emerged rather then been forged.

Now its possible to pull that last sentence apart and accuse it, with some justification, of being hyperbolic BUT I think does capture an essence of the wider problem we face.

We are led by people who have never truly had to face up to what it means to actually lead. People who have never faced up to any kind of meaningful sacrifice.

Hence why they have to be taught how to pretend.

Leaving us bereft of anybody who can truly inspire.


 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 16 Jun 24 9.39am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Good post.

Attlee served in the first war with distinction. He spent many years as a social worker in Limehouse one of the poorest districts in the country. Labour then asked him to stand against the sitting Liberal MP and he won.

He won because he had local credibility and was a patriotic Englishman something the voters appreciated. At the end of his life he bemoaned the rise of professional politicians from all parties and the creeping anti patriotism. Unsurprisingly the left don't like to talk about him today.

 


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