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Zaha127 Flag 26 Feb 22 6.47pm

Some players available on a free this summer are:

Jed Wallace (Millwall he is a decent winger and the championship has given Palace good signings Eze and Olise.)

Eddie Nketiah (Palace always linked with him can you see it happening?

Yakou Meite (decent player for Reading another winger signed new contract 2023 recently but with Reading debt problems he probably won't cost more than £10m.)

Boubakar Kamara (can play CB but predominantly CDM Marseille man available on a free can PV persuade him to come to Palace?)

James Tarkowski (out of contract this summer)

Jesse Lingard (free this summer)

Noussair Mazaroui (very good player plays LB and RB well an area that will make Palace stronger especially with Ferguson injury problems him and Tyrick would make Palace stronger.)


 

sydtheeagle Flag England 25 Mar 22 12.30pm

Originally posted by Zaha127

Some players available on a free this summer are:

Jed Wallace (Millwall he is a decent winger and the championship has given Palace good signings Eze and Olise.)

Eddie Nketiah (Palace always linked with him can you see it happening?

Yakou Meite (decent player for Reading another winger signed new contract 2023 recently but with Reading debt problems he probably won't cost more than £10m.)

Boubakar Kamara (can play CB but predominantly CDM Marseille man available on a free can PV persuade him to come to Palace?)

James Tarkowski (out of contract this summer)

Jesse Lingard (free this summer)

Noussair Mazaroui (very good player plays LB and RB well an area that will make Palace stronger especially with Ferguson injury problems him and Tyrick would make Palace stronger.)

You have to think the end of this season will be a time of reckoning for Nathan Ferguson. For all the occasional positive PR speak, the fact is that he's been out of the game for two years now and he's entering the last year of his contract this summer. If he'd played and proven himself now is the time we'd be offering him a new deal. If he'd played well and increased his value, this is the summer we'd be thinking about selling him on or fighting to keep him. What's clear with Ward and Clyne ageing and Ferguson now no more than a marginal prospect for the long-term, we desperately need to bring in a right-back. That should be a priority this summer.

My guess is that we hold on to Ferguson and hope he starts next season fit because we have nothing to lose. He's unsellable now. But two years out of the game and multiple injuries, you can't be confident about his future. Optimistic, maybe, but not confident. If the first half of next season doesn't see him in the number 2 shirt every (or most) weeks, my guess is he'll be off in the January window or at the end of next season when he's out of contract at the latest.

As for the others on your list, I have minimal interest in Nketiah. Maybe he'll make it, but I wouldn't throw an enormous contract at someone with so much to prove. Thus far, there's been a lot more hype than delivery. On a reasonable contract, worth a chance but I wouldn't get into a bidding war or make him a top priority.

Lingard, on the other hand, I wouldn't mind. Gallagher's departure will leave a hole and ditto McArthur is ageing. Lingard is at least the sort of productive, forward-driving, and experienced proven player who could contribute something. He might not be everyone's first choice, but we could do a lot worse.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Mar 22 1.06pm

Originally posted by Zaha127

Some players available on a free this summer are:

Jed Wallace (Millwall he is a decent winger and the championship has given Palace good signings Eze and Olise.)

Eddie Nketiah (Palace always linked with him can you see it happening?

Yakou Meite (decent player for Reading another winger signed new contract 2023 recently but with Reading debt problems he probably won't cost more than £10m.)

Boubakar Kamara (can play CB but predominantly CDM Marseille man available on a free can PV persuade him to come to Palace?)

James Tarkowski (out of contract this summer)

Jesse Lingard (free this summer)

Noussair Mazaroui (very good player plays LB and RB well an area that will make Palace stronger especially with Ferguson injury problems him and Tyrick would make Palace stronger.)


My understanding is that Jed Wallace is primarily a central midfielder but he has played at right-wing back.A box-to-box player full of running and never short on industry.He has excellent technical ability with a dead-ball and has scored from 25 yard free kicks.
Neil Harris signed him for Millwall from Wolves.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Mar 22 1.16pm

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

You have to think the end of this season will be a time of reckoning for Nathan Ferguson. For all the occasional positive PR speak, the fact is that he's been out of the game for two years now and he's entering the last year of his contract this summer. If he'd played and proven himself now is the time we'd be offering him a new deal. If he'd played well and increased his value, this is the summer we'd be thinking about selling him on or fighting to keep him. What's clear with Ward and Clyne ageing and Ferguson now no more than a marginal prospect for the long-term, we desperately need to bring in a right-back. That should be a priority this summer.

My guess is that we hold on to Ferguson and hope he starts next season fit because we have nothing to lose. He's unsellable now. But two years out of the game and multiple injuries, you can't be confident about his future. Optimistic, maybe, but not confident. If the first half of next season doesn't see him in the number 2 shirt every (or most) weeks, my guess is he'll be off in the January window or at the end of next season when he's out of contract at the latest.

As for the others on your list, I have minimal interest in Nketiah. Maybe he'll make it, but I wouldn't throw an enormous contract at someone with so much to prove. Thus far, there's been a lot more hype than delivery. On a reasonable contract, worth a chance but I wouldn't get into a bidding war or make him a top priority.

Lingard, on the other hand, I wouldn't mind. Gallagher's departure will leave a hole and ditto McArthur is ageing. Lingard is at least the sort of productive, forward-driving, and experienced proven player who could contribute something. He might not be everyone's first choice, but we could do a lot worse.

I suspect a large number of supporters would be in agreement.

Moving on to central defence, I do believe that we need to find a young player to step in should Guaita or Andersen get injured.
I have been impressed with Levi Colwill who is on loan to Huddersfield from Chelsea.He is left-footed and has played predominently on the left of a back three at Huddersfield.He is a modern-day central defender who is calm and composed on the ball.

 

CrazyBadger Flag Ware 25 Mar 22 1.27pm

Originally posted by Willo

I suspect a large number of supporters would be in agreement.

Moving on to central defence, I do believe that we need to find a young player to step in should Guaita or Andersen get injured.
I have been impressed with Levi Colwill who is on loan to Huddersfield from Chelsea.He is left-footed and has played predominently on the left of a back three at Huddersfield.He is a modern-day central defender who is calm and composed on the ball.

A player to cover defence and Keeper, now that'll be a find
Assuming you meant Guehi, not sure we need a youngster, but definitely need cover of some kind. Not been that impressed with Tomkins in PV's system..

As others have mentioned, a RB should be priority.
would be surprised if we didn't bring in another 2 players on top of that though.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Mar 22 1.33pm

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

A player to cover defence and Keeper, now that'll be a find
Assuming you meant Guehi, not sure we need a youngster, but definitely need cover of some kind. Not been that impressed with Tomkins in PV's system..

As others have mentioned, a RB should be priority.
would be surprised if we didn't bring in another 2 players on top of that though.

We have keeper cover with Guaita and Butland.
My concern is with the cover in central defence.


 

Omph Flag Liverpool 26 Mar 22 7.53am

Originally posted by Willo

We have keeper cover with Guaita and Butland.
My concern is with the cover in central defence.


Missed out on a whoosh there!

But agree central defence should be a priority. Improved sports science department or not we have rather got away with it this season with bare bones cover there (and in defence generally). Look to be a couple of bodies short anyway if Tomkins goes.

Interested to see how it pans out given we now have such an established CB pairing with no clear route to the first team.

 

rossboss29 Flag Portsmouth 26 Mar 22 8.12am

Originally posted by Willo

I suspect a large number of supporters would be in agreement.

Moving on to central defence, I do believe that we need to find a young player to step in should Guaita or Andersen get injured.
I have been impressed with Levi Colwill who is on loan to Huddersfield from Chelsea.He is left-footed and has played predominently on the left of a back three at Huddersfield.He is a modern-day central defender who is calm and composed on the ball.

Levi Colwill is a great shout at centre back if Chelsea were willing to let him go.
Think we need a right back, really like the look of Djed Spence loaned to Nottingham Forest from Middlesborough- a lot of big clubs are after him but you never know, we may be an attractive option due to our recent track record of bringing championship talent through.

The other area I think we need is another winger. I am not convinced ayew will get a renewal and he only really provides a defensive option from the bench. We’ve been linked with Brennan Johnson who looks a great prospect.

I think the other area we are looking at according to reports is centre midfield, with the Mexican chap from Ajax linked.

 

Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 26 Mar 22 8.17am

Originally posted by Willo

We have keeper cover with Guaita and Butland.
My concern is with the cover in central defence.


I think Ferguson will be the CD cover if he ever gets fit, or of course if it is easier to find a DM then Kouyate can revert to his natural position. if he extends his contract of course, i think he seem younger than his age, another 2 years

 


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Omph Flag Liverpool 26 Mar 22 10.15am

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

I think Ferguson will be the CD cover if he ever gets fit, or of course if it is easier to find a DM then Kouyate can revert to his natural position. if he extends his contract of course, i think he seem younger than his age, another 2 years

Ferguson represents a problem.

You're right that notionally he could provide cover in central defence but even if you overlook the injury record which now goes beyond the "unlucky" major injuries the lad has missed out on 2 years development. He won't have improved in the meantime and it's asking quite a lot for him to have stood still too.

Pretty sure he's best disregarded when it comes to looking at the squad. The similarly young Eze has been nursed by Vieira - as he said he would - and he only had 6 months on the sidelines and was ripping up the PL and not the Champo.

Underlying this is the philosophy that squad players need to be capable of holding their place in the side for a sustained run of games even if they do represent a drop in quality.

 

Crystal_Clear Flag Belfast 26 Mar 22 10.08pm

I have serious doubts to whether Nathan Ferguson will ever be the player he was pre knee injury.

Knee injuries ruin careers.

Recently, you only have to look at Connor Wickham to see what a knee injury can do to a player.

Going back over the years you can take plenty of examples. Man City had an extremely gifted player in Paul Lake whose career was cut extremely short through knee injuries.


Going back further we had Kevin Mabbutt who had to retire through a knee injury.

The other issue is that Ferguson doesnt play in flair position, his main duties will be tackling, jumping etc. That is going to put more strain on the body. Hence why he is breaking down.

Will be a terrible shame if he doesnt make it, but he isnt first and wont be the last through a knee injury.

 

Omph Flag Liverpool 27 Mar 22 2.38pm

Originally posted by Crystal_Clear

I have serious doubts to whether Nathan Ferguson will ever be the player he was pre knee injury.

Knee injuries ruin careers.

Recently, you only have to look at Connor Wickham to see what a knee injury can do to a player.

Going back over the years you can take plenty of examples. Man City had an extremely gifted player in Paul Lake whose career was cut extremely short through knee injuries.


Going back further we had Kevin Mabbutt who had to retire through a knee injury.

The other issue is that Ferguson doesnt play in flair position, his main duties will be tackling, jumping etc. That is going to put more strain on the body. Hence why he is breaking down.

Will be a terrible shame if he doesnt make it, but he isnt first and wont be the last through a knee injury.

Whisper it but Tom Davies - who is apparently out best option for midfield cover - has just been out for over 6 months with a knee related injury.

Cheap salary though so never mind!

 

sydtheeagle Flag England 28 Mar 22 6.19pm

Originally posted by Omph

Pretty sure he's best disregarded when it comes to looking at the squad.

As I wrote at greater length above, I agree with this completely. If Ferguson ever recovers to play a significant role at Palace I will, like all of us, be delighted but the chances it will ever happen are at this point vanishingly small. He's had what is often a career-ending injury and two years later, he's not really come back. When he's tried, he gets injured again which suggests compensation injuries are now arising from the original damage.

From a planning point of view, the only option is to presume Ferguson will be unable to contribute anything moving forward and hope to be pleasantly surprised if it's proved otherwise. Most likely, I suspect he will quietly leave permanently or on loan sometime next season, or when his contract expires next summer. The moral is that no matter the cost, high or a bargain, buying injured players is never a good idea.

 


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Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 05 Apr 22 9.09am

I thought Nketiah looked a decent player when he came on, definitely a yes for me as he is free and hopefully realistic about his wages

 


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palace99 Flag New Mills 05 Apr 22 9.28am

Originally posted by Crystal_Clear

I have serious doubts to whether Nathan Ferguson will ever be the player he was pre knee injury.

Knee injuries ruin careers.

Recently, you only have to look at Connor Wickham to see what a knee injury can do to a player.

Going back over the years you can take plenty of examples. Man City had an extremely gifted player in Paul Lake whose career was cut extremely short through knee injuries.


Going back further we had Kevin Mabbutt who had to retire through a knee injury.

The other issue is that Ferguson doesnt play in flair position, his main duties will be tackling, jumping etc. That is going to put more strain on the body. Hence why he is breaking down.

Will be a terrible shame if he doesnt make it, but he isnt first and wont be the last through a knee injury.

Loads of players make full recovers from ACL injuries these days.
I remember Zlatan Ibrahimovic at Man U getting the same injury in his mid 30s and was playing again 9 months later. He is now 40 and still playing at a high standard.

Examples such as Mabbutt (in the early 80s), Lake and Wickham all have one thing in common - they were very injury prone before they got knee injuries. Maybe wear and tear plays a part too.

Hopefully Fergie will be ok, but i agree it is a concern as he is so young

Edited by palace99 (05 Apr 2022 9.32am)

 

sydtheeagle Flag England 06 Apr 22 3.49pm

Originally posted by palace99

Loads of players make full recovers from ACL injuries these days.

Edited by palace99 (05 Apr 2022 9.32am)

No, they don't. Many make a full recovery, but not lots.

According to the Orthopaedic Journal of Sports Medicine, around 35% of post ACL returning athletes suffer a subsequent injury. In medical terms, that's a horribly high figure and a very poor outcome. Imagine if appendix or hernia surgeries had only a 65% total success rate. We'd be up in arms.

According to the British Journal of Sports Medicine, 17% of ACL injuries see the player never coming back at all, again a very high failure rate even though 83% playing subsequent to the surgery sounds good on paper. Of those 83%, a further 5.2% suffer exactly the same injury again (a tear of the grafted ligament).

Lastly, an instructive comment from the Mayo Clinic: "Because they require high-speed changes of direction, the pro sports that carry the highest risk of ACL tears – soccer, (American) football and basketball – are also the ones in which it’s most difficult to make a complete recovery. It comes down to how much strain you put on the knee joint. Anything that elicits landing, cutting and pivoting is a greater challenge.” In short, a full back is going to have a particularly hard time. Source: ” Dr Tim Hewett, Mayo Clinic, researcher and an expert on the mechanics of ACL injury

 


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silvertop Flag Portishead 06 Apr 22 4.55pm

As someone who had a partial knee replacement last June I can concur with that. Obviously I am much older and less fit - fitness directly linked to speed of recovery.

My wife had an ACL operation a few years ago and she had an interesting conversation with her surgeon. She had the choice. The "normal" route where the recovery is at least a year. And the "sportsman" route where the recovery time is at least 6 months.

The warning was that the sporty route carries considerable risk of only short term recovery; whereas the normal route you are much more likely to be up and about and carrying out your normal life when fully "recovered".

The trouble is that, even with the latter, the recovery is not full; and there are always issues with knee surgery where they replace damaged bits with plastic + metal.

I consider it highly unlikely NF will play any professional football at the highest level.

 


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