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Dubai Eagle 08 Aug 23 9.35am
Perhaps the next developed skill will be - ways to waste time whilst keeping the ball in play without getting booked for time wasting. Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer The Community Shield game lasted 102 minutes and the average match time on the opening day of the EFL season was 105 mins 33 seconds. Naturally, lots of venom being discharged mainly from losers in this new rule era. The big question is - will it encourage or discourage time wasting?

Dubai Eagle

08 Aug 23 9.35am

Perhaps the next developed skill will be - ways to waste time whilst keeping the ball in play without getting booked for time wasting.

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

The Community Shield game lasted 102 minutes and the average match time on the opening day of the EFL season was 105 mins 33 seconds.

Naturally, lots of venom being discharged mainly from losers in this new rule era.

The big question is - will it encourage or discourage time wasting?

Dubai Eagle 08 Aug 23 9.38am
I can see it playing havoc with the traditional train timings where the rail companies anticipate that certain trains will be mainly focussed on getting people home from the game / visiting supporters out of the area.

Dubai Eagle

08 Aug 23 9.38am

I can see it playing havoc with the traditional train timings where the rail companies anticipate that certain trains will be mainly focussed on getting people home from the game / visiting supporters out of the area.

Dubai Eagle 08 Aug 23 9.42am
Hopefully midweek games will go back to a more traditional 7.30 pm kick off (instead of 8pm) in the knowledge that the game will go on longer than it previously used to - thinking of families trying to get kids home after the game on a school night.

Dubai Eagle

08 Aug 23 9.42am

Hopefully midweek games will go back to a more traditional 7.30 pm kick off (instead of 8pm) in the knowledge that the game will go on longer than it previously used to - thinking of families trying to get kids home after the game on a school night.

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 08 Aug 23 10.10am
Originally posted by Dubai Eagle Perhaps the next developed skill will be - ways to waste time whilst keeping the ball in play without getting booked for time wasting. Offside. The only legal way on the field of play where you cannot get cautioned nor where time is added on. This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 08 Aug 23 10.10am

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

Perhaps the next developed skill will be - ways to waste time whilst keeping the ball in play without getting booked for time wasting.

Offside.

The only legal way on the field of play where you cannot get cautioned nor where time is added on.

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eaglesdare 08 Aug 23 10.13am
Originally posted by YT "Subbing" was recently discussed in another thread. In theory, a substitution will not eat up any playing time because additional time is supposed to be added on by the referee but, as mentioned in that thread, they nevertheless can disrupt the flow of the game. Your suggestion about the final phase is interesting, but surely you must see that coaches would simply tell their players to start limping at the appropriate time! Jorden Ayew is forever limping

eaglesdare

08 Aug 23 10.13am

Originally posted by YT

"Subbing" was recently discussed in another thread. In theory, a substitution will not eat up any playing time because additional time is supposed to be added on by the referee but, as mentioned in that thread, they nevertheless can disrupt the flow of the game. Your suggestion about the final phase is interesting, but surely you must see that coaches would simply tell their players to start limping at the appropriate time!

Jorden Ayew is forever limping

Putitout Oxford 08 Aug 23 10.24am
All sounds very noble, and on a level playing field it would be. As it is it’s fifteen more minutes for the team with 5 £60 mill substitutes to get a result in most match’s. Ironically the substitutions tend to wast the most time any way.

Putitout

Oxford 08 Aug 23 10.24am

All sounds very noble, and on a level playing field it would be. As it is it’s fifteen more minutes for the team with 5 £60 mill substitutes to get a result in most match’s. Ironically the substitutions tend to wast the most time any way.

monkey Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 08 Aug 23 11.28am
I know one thing they could do to discourage time wasting, if a player goes down injured, obviously if it’s clearly not serious, let the physio on and then carry on. They do it in Rugby, they just play on around the physio and stricken player. I’m sure those rolling round like they’d been shot would soon jump up if they weren’t the centre of attention anymore and they’d soon learn it’s a waste of time feigning injury anyway Edited by monkey (08 Aug 2023 11.31am)

monkey

Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 08 Aug 23 11.28am

I know one thing they could do to discourage time wasting, if a player goes down injured, obviously if it’s clearly not serious, let the physio on and then carry on. They do it in Rugby, they just play on around the physio and stricken player. I’m sure those rolling round like they’d been shot would soon jump up if they weren’t the centre of attention anymore and they’d soon learn it’s a waste of time feigning injury anyway

Edited by monkey (08 Aug 2023 11.31am)

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 08 Aug 23 12.04pm
Originally posted by monkey I know one thing they could do to discourage time wasting, if a player goes down injured, obviously if it’s clearly not serious, let the physio on and then carry on. They do it in Rugby, they just play on around the physio and stricken player. I’m sure those rolling round like they’d been shot would soon jump up if they weren’t the centre of attention anymore and they’d soon learn it’s a waste of time feigning injury anyway Edited by monkey (08 Aug 2023 11.31am) See what you mean, but i really like the new format, that after they've been treated, they have to go off the pitch & wait a minimum of 30 secs before being allowed back on. This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 08 Aug 23 12.04pm

Originally posted by monkey

Edited by monkey (08 Aug 2023 11.31am)

See what you mean, but i really like the new format, that after they've been treated, they have to go off the pitch & wait a minimum of 30 secs before being allowed back on.

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 08 Aug 23 12.33pm
The obvious point on this is that we're going to be drawing with Liverpool or Man U/ City and lose in 15 minutes of extra time. The reverse will not happen for us. This actually has the potential to skew the league. We had a poor season against the top sides last year but if this had been done in previous years, we might have lost around 9-10 points. Changes are only ever for the big sides in the Premier League. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 08 Aug 23 12.33pm

The obvious point on this is that we're going to be drawing with Liverpool or Man U/ City and lose in 15 minutes of extra time. The reverse will not happen for us. This actually has the potential to skew the league. We had a poor season against the top sides last year but if this had been done in previous years, we might have lost around 9-10 points.
Changes are only ever for the big sides in the Premier League.

Red and Blue Army!

Pete53 Hassocks 08 Aug 23 2.47pm
What really gets up my nose is the now universal habit of pretty well every time a player goes down from a tackle they stay down and writhe around in, what is usually, feigned agony. I am not quite sure how you overcome this as obviously there are occasions when a player is genuinely injured. But the amount of time this wastes is considerable. I was watching some footage of games from pre-2000 and you saw some pretty meaty tackles going in but rarely did the victim stay down. There was one awful challenge by Vinnie Jones on Cantona but, due credit to our French nemesis, he got straight up and carried on.

Pete53

Hassocks 08 Aug 23 2.47pm

What really gets up my nose is the now universal habit of pretty well every time a player goes down from a tackle they stay down and writhe around in, what is usually, feigned agony.

I am not quite sure how you overcome this as obviously there are occasions when a player is genuinely injured. But the amount of time this wastes is considerable.

I was watching some footage of games from pre-2000 and you saw some pretty meaty tackles going in but rarely did the victim stay down. There was one awful challenge by Vinnie Jones on Cantona but, due credit to our French nemesis, he got straight up and carried on.

the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 08 Aug 23 3.15pm
obviously none of these new rules will apply to the big clubs, even more chances for referees to make sure that the "right team" wins, thus keeping Sky happy

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 08 Aug 23 3.15pm

obviously none of these new rules will apply to the big clubs, even more chances for referees to make sure that the "right team" wins, thus keeping Sky happy

YT Oxford 08 Aug 23 3.42pm
Originally posted by the silurian obviously none of these new rules will apply to the big clubs, even more chances for referees to make sure that the "right team" wins, thus keeping Sky happy Hmmm... wasn't it Mr Guardiola who expressed his upset at the change and therefore the large amount of stoppage time after his side conceded a late goal in the (what I call) 'Charity Shield'? Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Oxford 08 Aug 23 3.42pm

Originally posted by the silurian

obviously none of these new rules will apply to the big clubs, even more chances for referees to make sure that the "right team" wins, thus keeping Sky happy

Hmmm... wasn't it Mr Guardiola who expressed his upset at the change and therefore the large amount of stoppage time after his side conceded a late goal in the (what I call) 'Charity Shield'?

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 08 Aug 23 4.05pm
Originally posted by YT Hmmm... wasn't it Mr Guardiola who expressed his upset at the change and therefore the large amount of stoppage time after his side conceded a late goal in the (what I call) 'Charity Shield'? You noticed that as well, claimed the 'Big Brains' didn't inform them etc etc . . . This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 08 Aug 23 4.05pm

Originally posted by YT

Hmmm... wasn't it Mr Guardiola who expressed his upset at the change and therefore the large amount of stoppage time after his side conceded a late goal in the (what I call) 'Charity Shield'?

You noticed that as well, claimed the 'Big Brains' didn't inform them etc etc . . .

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 08 Aug 23 7.11pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 You noticed that as well, claimed the 'Big Brains' didn't inform them etc etc . . . He always has a moan about something when they lose but he knows he can get an advantage out of it. In all fairness, he hasn't had to moan too often recently. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 08 Aug 23 7.11pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

You noticed that as well, claimed the 'Big Brains' didn't inform them etc etc . . .

He always has a moan about something when they lose but he knows he can get an advantage out of it. In all fairness, he hasn't had to moan too often recently.

Red and Blue Army!

PalazioVecchio south pole 22 Aug 23 9.56am
while i applaud Referees giving a fella a maximum of ten seconds , for a throw-in. We still have player x, about to throw in.....and then he defers to player y for the same throw. its clear and obvious time-wasting. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 22 Aug 23 9.56am

while i applaud Referees giving a fella a maximum of ten seconds , for a throw-in. We still have player x, about to throw in.....and then he defers to player y for the same throw.

its clear and obvious time-wasting.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 22 Aug 23 10.02am
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio while i applaud Referees giving a fella a maximum of ten seconds , for a throw-in. We still have player x, about to throw in.....and then he defers to player y for the same throw. its clear and obvious time-wasting. I thought the same thing Palazio. Very clever tactic - Keep giving the ball to another player to throw in. Or are referees taking note of the total time taken? Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

Palace Old Geezer

Midhurst 22 Aug 23 10.02am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

while i applaud Referees giving a fella a maximum of ten seconds , for a throw-in. We still have player x, about to throw in.....and then he defers to player y for the same throw.

its clear and obvious time-wasting.

I thought the same thing Palazio. Very clever tactic - Keep giving the ball to another player to throw in. Or are referees taking note of the total time taken?

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

beak croydon 22 Aug 23 10.52am
Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer There are two aspects of the modern game I really dislike. The first is the tendancy of players to surround the refereee to vociferously dispute a decision, often touching him in the process (isn't that illegal?). The second is the ridiculous practice of making unnecessary substitutions late in the game, especially as 5 subs are now allowed. Both these things waste playing time and disrupt the flow of play. The time wasting aspect was particularly noticeable at Goodison Park when Chilwell won a penalty after a foul by Doucoure. I've read that it was 3 minutes and 10 seconds before the penalty was taken after the protestations of the players and Pickford's shameful tactics. In all the ball was in play for only 51mins and 47secs during that match. Even in our game on Friday there was only 59mins and 33secs of actual playing time. As far as substitutions are concerned, 40 (54%) of the 74 made in all Prem games were made in the last quarter of the game. Man City and Newcastle used all 5 during this time. They are not tactical and, apart from disrupting the game, have no real value. I'd prefer substitutions during the last quarter of a game only be made as the result of injuries to try to avoid the time wasting and disruption. Certainly not illegal possibly unlawful. Edited by beak (22 Aug 2023 10.54am)

beak

croydon 22 Aug 23 10.52am

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

There are two aspects of the modern game I really dislike.

The first is the tendancy of players to surround the refereee to vociferously dispute a decision, often touching him in the process (isn't that illegal?). The second is the ridiculous practice of making unnecessary substitutions late in the game, especially as 5 subs are now allowed. Both these things waste playing time and disrupt the flow of play.

The time wasting aspect was particularly noticeable at Goodison Park when Chilwell won a penalty after a foul by Doucoure. I've read that it was 3 minutes and 10 seconds before the penalty was taken after the protestations of the players and Pickford's shameful tactics. In all the ball was in play for only 51mins and 47secs during that match. Even in our game on Friday there was only 59mins and 33secs of actual playing time.

As far as substitutions are concerned, 40 (54%) of the 74 made in all Prem games were made in the last quarter of the game. Man City and Newcastle used all 5 during this time. They are not tactical and, apart from disrupting the game, have no real value. I'd prefer substitutions during the last quarter of a game only be made as the result of injuries to try to avoid the time wasting and disruption.

Certainly not illegal possibly unlawful.

Edited by beak (22 Aug 2023 10.54am)

Dubai Eagle 22 Aug 23 10.57am
Whilst they are taking note of the time taken for these events perhaps they could also try to see if they can have the throw in / free kicks taken from the right place - Last night Arsenal were stealing yards at every opportunity. Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer I thought the same thing Palazio. Very clever tactic - Keep giving the ball to another player to throw in. Or are referees taking note of the total time taken?

Dubai Eagle

22 Aug 23 10.57am

Whilst they are taking note of the time taken for these events perhaps they could also try to see if they can have the throw in / free kicks taken from the right place -

Last night Arsenal were stealing yards at every opportunity.

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

I thought the same thing Palazio. Very clever tactic - Keep giving the ball to another player to throw in. Or are referees taking note of the total time taken?

eaglesdare 22 Aug 23 11.34am
Ah look....If we were winning last night our players would have been doing the exact same and we would love it.

eaglesdare

22 Aug 23 11.34am

Ah look....If we were winning last night our players would have been doing the exact same and we would love it.

steeleye20 Croydon 31 Aug 23 12.45pm
Premier League told new rules are "absurd" as UEFA confirm plans for Champions League. Adding 10/12 minutes for hardly noticeable things that are just part of the game are dragging the tedium out, harming the players and boring the fans. You don't need more than five minutes unless something serious has happened. As usual, it favours the richest clubs with the deepest squads. It is difficult to actually remember the first half, it seems so long ago.

steeleye20

Croydon 31 Aug 23 12.45pm

Premier League told new rules are "absurd" as UEFA confirm plans for Champions League.

Adding 10/12 minutes for hardly noticeable things that are just part of the game are dragging the tedium out, harming the players and boring the fans.

You don't need more than five minutes unless something serious has happened.

As usual, it favours the richest clubs with the deepest squads.

It is difficult to actually remember the first half, it seems so long ago.

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