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monkey Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 10 Jan 24 3.49pm
Originally posted by Elpis I think (I may be wrong) the reason the appeal was upheld was because it wasn't actually a tackle but the player (CL) attempting to bring the loose ball under control .Clyne just arrived on the scene as he was wrapping his boot around the ball ,though granted he made a clumsy mess of it . Take Clyne out of the picture and Calvert -Lewin would be making exactly the same movement in getting the ball . Had Clyne been in possession and CL had done what he did as a tackle then no question its a red . You have to look at the whole incident not just one picture . Exactly this!! I cant believe there’s still anyone out there that thinks it’s a sending off, I know he’s studs are showing, but you can see what he was trying to do, he was just trying to wrap his foot round the ball, he didn’t go in with any force and it wasn’t reckless. If VAR is not sorted, the game will be non contact soon because players will be frightened to tackle because every challenge will be slowed down or paused at point of contact so everyone can scream ‘his studs were showing’ or ‘he was out of control’

monkey

Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 10 Jan 24 3.49pm

Originally posted by Elpis

I think (I may be wrong) the reason the appeal was upheld was because it wasn't actually a tackle but the player (CL) attempting to bring the loose ball under control .Clyne just arrived on the scene as he was wrapping his boot around the ball ,though granted he made a clumsy mess of it . Take Clyne out of the picture and Calvert -Lewin would be making exactly the same movement in getting the ball .
Had Clyne been in possession and CL had done what he did as a tackle then no question its a red . You have to look at the whole incident not just one picture .

Exactly this!!

I cant believe there’s still anyone out there that thinks it’s a sending off, I know he’s studs are showing, but you can see what he was trying to do, he was just trying to wrap his foot round the ball, he didn’t go in with any force and it wasn’t reckless. If VAR is not sorted, the game will be non contact soon because players will be frightened to tackle because every challenge will be slowed down or paused at point of contact so everyone can scream ‘his studs were showing’ or ‘he was out of control’

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 10 Jan 24 4.01pm
Originally posted by Elpis I think (I may be wrong) the reason the appeal was upheld was because it wasn't actually a tackle but the player (CL) attempting to bring the loose ball under control .Clyne just arrived on the scene as he was wrapping his boot around the ball ,though granted he made a clumsy mess of it . Take Clyne out of the picture and Calvert -Lewin would be making exactly the same movement in getting the ball . Had Clyne been in possession and CL had done what he did as a tackle then no question its a red . You have to look at the whole incident not just one picture . Don't really agree - why exactly is it not a tackle? That feels completely subjective. He's stretching for a loose ball that is not in his control, and raises his studs into an opposing player as a result - no massive amount of contact, but it's dangerous, as evidenced by Clyne's reaction. If you land your studs midway up someone's shinpads, it's nearly always going to be a sending off, regardless of intent or much else.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 10 Jan 24 4.01pm

Originally posted by Elpis

Don't really agree - why exactly is it not a tackle? That feels completely subjective.

He's stretching for a loose ball that is not in his control, and raises his studs into an opposing player as a result - no massive amount of contact, but it's dangerous, as evidenced by Clyne's reaction.

If you land your studs midway up someone's shinpads, it's nearly always going to be a sending off, regardless of intent or much else.

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 10 Jan 24 4.04pm
Originally posted by monkey Exactly this!! I cant believe there’s still anyone out there that thinks it’s a sending off, I know he’s studs are showing, but you can see what he was trying to do, he was just trying to wrap his foot round the ball, he didn’t go in with any force and it wasn’t reckless. If VAR is not sorted, the game will be non contact soon because players will be frightened to tackle because every challenge will be slowed down or paused at point of contact so everyone can scream ‘his studs were showing’ or ‘he was out of control’ If you want to avoid an allegation of your studs showing, maybe don't lead with them. If you had a still of every tackle in the premier league this season, how many of them do you think would be able to show someone's studs landing halfway up their opponent's shins? It's much less than 1% of tackles, and in nearly all cases will result in a red card - let's not pretend this is applicable to every challenge.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 10 Jan 24 4.04pm

Originally posted by monkey

Exactly this!!

If you want to avoid an allegation of your studs showing, maybe don't lead with them.

If you had a still of every tackle in the premier league this season, how many of them do you think would be able to show someone's studs landing halfway up their opponent's shins?

It's much less than 1% of tackles, and in nearly all cases will result in a red card - let's not pretend this is applicable to every challenge.

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 10 Jan 24 4.12pm
How many tackles can produce a still like this? His foot has gone past the ball, is raised off the ground, stud-first with a straight leg - there is plenty to moan about with VAR, but I don't particularly have an issue with this decision. Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (10 Jan 2024 4.13pm) Attachment: Screenshot 2024-01-10 161309.png (393.48Kb)

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 10 Jan 24 4.12pm

How many tackles can produce a still like this?

His foot has gone past the ball, is raised off the ground, stud-first with a straight leg - there is plenty to moan about with VAR, but I don't particularly have an issue with this decision.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (10 Jan 2024 4.13pm)

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Jan 24 4.47pm
I didn't think it was a red at the time, firstly due to minimal contact and, secondly, to not re-referee the game. However, I also would like to see what exactly happened in the appeal. Basically, how this is suddenly different to other VAR reds? The only difference I see is that it wasn't against a big side and it was carried out by a side who have already lost ten points. This smacks of football politics. Surprise, surprise. He should still be banned for the replay - in my opinion - as why should we be affected by his poor challenge? My opinion would be this would often come with a more than one match ban but could have just been upheld as a one match ban. That wouldn't exactly be harsh. Watch him throw himself around in the replay impervious to any officials. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Jan 24 4.47pm

I didn't think it was a red at the time, firstly due to minimal contact and, secondly, to not re-referee the game. However, I also would like to see what exactly happened in the appeal. Basically, how this is suddenly different to other VAR reds? The only difference I see is that it wasn't against a big side and it was carried out by a side who have already lost ten points. This smacks of football politics. Surprise, surprise.
He should still be banned for the replay - in my opinion - as why should we be affected by his poor challenge? My opinion would be this would often come with a more than one match ban but could have just been upheld as a one match ban. That wouldn't exactly be harsh.
Watch him throw himself around in the replay impervious to any officials.

Red and Blue Army!

Goal Machine The Cronx 16 Jan 24 9.23pm
Originally posted by eaglesdare Amazing how we all seen the same thing and we all have different thoughts on it. I still think VAR and the ref made correct decisions. Yes, quite. This proves the subjectivity of ‘clear and obvious’ on fouls rarely works. The sooner it goes the better. Currently watching Bristol City Vs West Ham, plenty of big tackles and the game is flowing, just a general all round better watch. Ball over line, fine, offside (once a sensible and clear definition is in place), fine. Handballs and fouls, get rid.

Goal Machine

The Cronx 16 Jan 24 9.23pm

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Amazing how we all seen the same thing and we all have different thoughts on it.

I still think VAR and the ref made correct decisions.

Yes, quite. This proves the subjectivity of ‘clear and obvious’ on fouls rarely works. The sooner it goes the better. Currently watching Bristol City Vs West Ham, plenty of big tackles and the game is flowing, just a general all round better watch.

Ball over line, fine, offside (once a sensible and clear definition is in place), fine. Handballs and fouls, get rid.

Eden Eagle Kent 17 Jan 24 6.26am
Originally posted by Goal Machine Yes, quite. This proves the subjectivity of ‘clear and obvious’ on fouls rarely works. The sooner it goes the better. Currently watching Bristol City Vs West Ham, plenty of big tackles and the game is flowing, just a general all round better watch. Ball over line, fine, offside (once a sensible and clear definition is in place), fine. Handballs and fouls, get rid. If they had VAR at this game there would have been at least another red card - agree VAR is killing the game.

Eden Eagle

Kent 17 Jan 24 6.26am

Originally posted by Goal Machine

Ball over line, fine, offside (once a sensible and clear definition is in place), fine. Handballs and fouls, get rid.

If they had VAR at this game there would have been at least another red card - agree VAR is killing the game.

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