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Runningman Keston 11 Feb 24 4.07pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Why do people assume that VAR would be used for all decisions? For example it could be restricted to red card or goal line decisions for example. I would have thought that the whole reason it's being tested and not directly implemented is to directly ascertain questions on how positive or negative the change would be. I see no downside to testing. Yeah it could be used like that. But it won’t be Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Feb 2024 8.01pm)

Runningman

Keston 11 Feb 24 4.07pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Why do people assume that VAR would be used for all decisions? For example it could be restricted to red card or goal line decisions for example.

I would have thought that the whole reason it's being tested and not directly implemented is to directly ascertain questions on how positive or negative the change would be.

I see no downside to testing.

Yeah it could be used like that. But it won’t be

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Feb 2024 8.01pm)

m/k mick milton keynes 11 Feb 24 4.21pm
Generally I see some of the advantages, but I hate VAR, so a bit unsure about introducing blue cards, one question what happens when a goalie gets a blue card, outfield player has to go in goal, or outfielder goes off replaced by second choice goalie for ten minutes, then all change again, bit of a palava

m/k mick

milton keynes 11 Feb 24 4.21pm

Generally I see some of the advantages, but I hate VAR, so a bit unsure about introducing blue cards, one question what happens when a goalie gets a blue card, outfield player has to go in goal, or outfielder goes off replaced by second choice goalie for ten minutes, then all change again, bit of a palava

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Feb 24 4.22pm
A pile of horse conkers.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Feb 24 4.22pm

A pile of horse conkers.

Apollofuzz On the edge of reason 11 Feb 24 4.23pm
It works well in Rugby, the difference is the respect the players show the officials. I am favour. I ride a GS scooter with my hair cut neat I wear my war time coat in the wind and sleet.

Apollofuzz

On the edge of reason 11 Feb 24 4.23pm

It works well in Rugby, the difference is the respect the players show the officials. I am favour.

I ride a GS scooter with my hair cut neat
I wear my war time coat in the wind and sleet.

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 11 Feb 24 4.40pm
Originally posted by Apollofuzz It works well in Rugby, the difference is the respect the players show the officials. I am favour. Where is the like button This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 11 Feb 24 4.40pm

Originally posted by Apollofuzz

It works well in Rugby, the difference is the respect the players show the officials. I am favour.

Where is the like button

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

Elpis In a pub 11 Feb 24 4.42pm
Originally posted by Apollofuzz It works well in Rugby, the difference is the respect the players show the officials. I am favour. Why , because it works well in a completely different game ? Its madness

Elpis

In a pub 11 Feb 24 4.42pm

Originally posted by Apollofuzz

It works well in Rugby, the difference is the respect the players show the officials. I am favour.

Why , because it works well in a completely different game ?

Its madness

Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 11 Feb 24 4.59pm
Originally posted by Elpis Why , because it works well in a completely different game ? Its madness [Link] A reasonable article on the subject by Martin Samuel in today's Times. Yes, it's a different game Elpis, but it's true to say that attitudes towards the ref are very different too. Samuel is making the case for blue cards to be shown for dissent, which was what I was trying to state earlier in the thread. If it deters players from trying to influence the ref it would be a good thing. Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

Palace Old Geezer

Midhurst 11 Feb 24 4.59pm

Originally posted by Elpis

Why , because it works well in a completely different game ?

Its madness

[Link]

A reasonable article on the subject by Martin Samuel in today's Times. Yes, it's a different game Elpis, but it's true to say that attitudes towards the ref are very different too. Samuel is making the case for blue cards to be shown for dissent, which was what I was trying to state earlier in the thread. If it deters players from trying to influence the ref it would be a good thing.

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

Fatherken 11 Feb 24 5.39pm
No need for a blue card it will any compilate the game . A yellow card could be the same , sin bin for ten minutes . I understand that if you get two blue cards you get sent off , just like two yellow cards . So why have an extra card .

Fatherken

11 Feb 24 5.39pm

No need for a blue card it will any compilate the game . A yellow card could be the same , sin bin for ten minutes . I understand that if you get two blue cards you get sent off , just like two yellow cards . So why have an extra card .

Elpis In a pub 11 Feb 24 5.48pm
Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer [Link] A reasonable article on the subject by Martin Samuel in today's Times. Yes, it's a different game Elpis, but it's true to say that attitudes towards the ref are very different too. Samuel is making the case for blue cards to be shown for dissent, which was what I was trying to state earlier in the thread. If it deters players from trying to influence the ref it would be a good thing. I get it but thats what yellow and red cards are for . As a ref (im not one) it is in your power to send from the field of play anyone showing descent toward an official . The attitudes are different because the laws are not enforced . Tell the ref to f off in rugby and your gone , do it in football and he runs in the other direction . We dont need to mess with the rules , just enforce them

Elpis

In a pub 11 Feb 24 5.48pm

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

[Link]

I get it but thats what yellow and red cards are for . As a ref (im not one) it is in your power to send from the field of play anyone showing descent toward an official .
The attitudes are different because the laws are not enforced . Tell the ref to f off in rugby and your gone , do it in football and he runs in the other direction .

We dont need to mess with the rules , just enforce them

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 11 Feb 24 6.08pm
Originally posted by Elpis I get it but thats what yellow and red cards are for . As a ref (im not one) it is in your power to send from the field of play anyone showing descent toward an official . The attitudes are different because the laws are not enforced . Tell the ref to f off in rugby and your gone , do it in football and he runs in the other direction . We dont need to mess with the rules , just enforce them Part of LAW 12, states : Any Foul Or Abusive Language Directed Towards The Match Official, Will Result In A Dismissal This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 11 Feb 24 6.08pm

Originally posted by Elpis

We dont need to mess with the rules , just enforce them

Part of LAW 12, states : Any Foul Or Abusive Language Directed Towards The Match Official, Will Result In A Dismissal

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

Elpis In a pub 11 Feb 24 7.10pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 Part of LAW 12, states : Any Foul Or Abusive Language Directed Towards The Match Official, Will Result In A Dismissal Well there you go. Just do it and it will soon stop .The sin bin really is an awful idea for football . On top of the already mentioned problems can you imagine the uproar when players coming back on cold pull up with hamstrings popping . As if we haven't got enough problems

Elpis

In a pub 11 Feb 24 7.10pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

Part of LAW 12, states : Any Foul Or Abusive Language Directed Towards The Match Official, Will Result In A Dismissal

Well there you go. Just do it and it will soon stop .The sin bin really is an awful idea for football . On top of the already mentioned problems can you imagine the uproar when players coming back on cold pull up with hamstrings popping . As if we haven't got enough problems

PalazioVecchio south pole 11 Feb 24 8.33pm
Originally posted by Elpis The sin bin really is an awful idea for football . maybe. But the current setup is also awful. It allows players to behave like c..nts. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 11 Feb 24 8.33pm

Originally posted by Elpis

The sin bin really is an awful idea for football .

maybe. But the current setup is also awful. It allows players to behave like c..nts.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Elpis In a pub 11 Feb 24 8.36pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio maybe. But the current setup is also awful. It allows players to behave like c..nts. As I say stronger refs not undermined by var and its job done

Elpis

In a pub 11 Feb 24 8.36pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

maybe. But the current setup is also awful. It allows players to behave like c..nts.

As I say stronger refs not undermined by var and its job done

Apollofuzz On the edge of reason 11 Feb 24 8.52pm
According to lower league refs where this has been trialed who came on talksport they were in favour and said it works well. Football could learn alt from rugby, concusion protocol, and clear explanation of decisions by the ref for example. Originally posted by Elpis Why , because it works well in a completely different game ? Its madness I ride a GS scooter with my hair cut neat I wear my war time coat in the wind and sleet.

Apollofuzz

On the edge of reason 11 Feb 24 8.52pm

According to lower league refs where this has been trialed who came on talksport they were in favour and said it works well.
Football could learn alt from rugby, concusion protocol, and clear explanation of decisions by the ref for example.

Originally posted by Elpis

Why , because it works well in a completely different game ?

Its madness

I ride a GS scooter with my hair cut neat
I wear my war time coat in the wind and sleet.

Elpis In a pub 11 Feb 24 9.12pm
Originally posted by Apollofuzz According to lower league refs where this has been trialed who came on talksport they were in favour and said it works well. Football could learn alt from rugby, concusion protocol, and clear explanation of decisions by the ref for example. I can see why it might work in lower leagues where a calm down could work better than sending a player off and getting people angry .Its not the laws of the game though ,if they want to make up another sport I say crack on but leave mine alone . The concussion stuff is fair enough ,anything that can be learnt from anyone to protect players is a good thing . Anyone especially those that have followed the game for as long as I have doesn't need an explanation from the ref as they would know by his hand signal on giving the decision or the lino by his flag position. The problems arise when var gets involved and nobody in the ground has a clue whats going on . Simple solution get rid of var .

Elpis

In a pub 11 Feb 24 9.12pm

Originally posted by Apollofuzz

I can see why it might work in lower leagues where a calm down could work better than sending a player off and getting people angry .Its not the laws of the game though ,if they want to make up another sport I say crack on but leave mine alone .

The concussion stuff is fair enough ,anything that can be learnt from anyone to protect players is a good thing .

Anyone especially those that have followed the game for as long as I have doesn't need an explanation from the ref as they would know by his hand signal on giving the decision or the lino by his flag position. The problems arise when var gets involved and nobody in the ground has a clue whats going on . Simple solution get rid of var .

imashed surrey 11 Feb 24 9.15pm
I'm fed up with all the Var time making me miss my train no matter even more extra time with the blue card time.Missing my 2nd train option and having to watch more s*** football. And are they trying at being a bit sneaky to slip Ads in on televised football during blue card arguments eventually.

imashed

surrey 11 Feb 24 9.15pm

I'm fed up with all the Var time making me miss my train no matter even more extra time with the blue card time.Missing my 2nd train option and having to watch more s*** football. And are they trying at being a bit sneaky to slip Ads in on televised football during blue card arguments eventually.

Apollofuzz On the edge of reason 11 Feb 24 9.38pm
Originally posted by Elpis I can see why it might work in lower leagues where a calm down could work better than sending a player off and getting people angry .Its not the laws of the game though ,if they want to make up another sport I say crack on but leave mine alone . The concussion stuff is fair enough ,anything that can be learnt from anyone to protect players is a good thing . Anyone especially those that have followed the game for as long as I have doesn't need an explanation from the ref as they would know by his hand signal on giving the decision or the lino by his flag position. The problems arise when var gets involved and nobody in the ground has a clue whats going on . Simple solution get rid of var . Totally agree ruining football. I ride a GS scooter with my hair cut neat I wear my war time coat in the wind and sleet.

Apollofuzz

On the edge of reason 11 Feb 24 9.38pm

Originally posted by Elpis

The concussion stuff is fair enough ,anything that can be learnt from anyone to protect players is a good thing .

Totally agree ruining football.

I ride a GS scooter with my hair cut neat
I wear my war time coat in the wind and sleet.

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