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Plaistow Eagle 17 Jul 24 7.44pm
Originally posted by Plaistow Eagle Agreed..!! Southgate a very average Manager/Coach and it’s cost us big time - with the quality available - with a decent Manager/Coach should have won at least 2 of the last 4 major tournaments. The fact we haven’t is all on Southgate and his negative tactics, formations, selections and decisions at crucial times. Just hope the FA now have the noise and foresight to select/appoint a Manager of the same calibre and quality of the players England now have available - otherwise another Golden Generation will be wasted ala Sven..!! COYE and COYP Sorry meant “nouse”..!!

Plaistow Eagle

17 Jul 24 7.44pm

Originally posted by Plaistow Eagle

Agreed..!!

Southgate a very average Manager/Coach and it’s cost us big time - with the quality available - with a decent Manager/Coach should have won at least 2 of the last 4 major tournaments.

The fact we haven’t is all on Southgate and his negative tactics, formations, selections and decisions at crucial times.

Just hope the FA now have the noise and foresight to select/appoint a Manager of the same calibre and quality of the players England now have available - otherwise another Golden Generation will be wasted ala Sven..!!

COYE and COYP

Sorry meant “nouse”..!!

Rogers the legend Auckland 17 Jul 24 9.56pm
And let us not forget being a national manager and a league manager are two completely different animals. I for one (as much as I like the lad), feel he has under achieved as a league manager, and given the talent at his disposal, been an average national manager. I'm more than happy with Ollie and at present wouldn't swap him for anybody, apart from maybe Pep. Good luck to the lad, but not for us. It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog. Archie Griffen Hating Brighton since 1974

Rogers the legend

Auckland 17 Jul 24 9.56pm

And let us not forget being a national manager and a league manager are two completely different animals. I for one (as much as I like the lad), feel he has under achieved as a league manager, and given the talent at his disposal, been an average national manager.

I'm more than happy with Ollie and at present wouldn't swap him for anybody, apart from maybe Pep. Good luck to the lad, but not for us.

It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.

Archie Griffen

Hating Brighton since 1974

Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 17 Jul 24 10.00pm
Originally posted by stanzerman Sorry just can't see him as club manager. It' a totally different job and far more demanding than a national manager where you play perhaps half a dozen competative games a year, have no budget or relegation worries and if a player gets injured you just send him back to his club and take your pick from all the other clubs. Spend most of your time swanning round the world flying business class to watch matches and enjoy lavish hospitality. Compare this with a club manager trying to motivate players on a daily basis often playing two matches a week in the prem and its a disaster when your best players get injured or sold from under you. Southgate is great in an ambassadoral role but a club manager, I doubt it. You see, I agree with you - there is a big difference between managing a club and managing a national side. BUT, I disagree that managing the country is in any way an easier proposition. Certainly there are fewer matches and the job does involve a lot of travelling and therein is the issue. A club manager has the benefit of building close connections with his players through frequent interactions during training and the frequent matches to which you refer. I think it is much more difficult to nurture and develop a team when they are often a different bunch who meet together infrequently for training sessions and matches. It takes different qualities for sure and there is no guarantee that a good club manager could get a good tune out of a team of disperate players who only occasionally get together. Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

Palace Old Geezer

Midhurst 17 Jul 24 10.00pm

Originally posted by stanzerman

Sorry just can't see him as club manager. It' a totally different job and far more demanding than a national manager where you play perhaps half a dozen competative games a year, have no budget or relegation worries and if a player gets injured you just send him back to his club and take your pick from all the other clubs. Spend most of your time swanning round the world flying business class to watch matches and enjoy lavish hospitality. Compare this with a club manager trying to motivate players on a daily basis often playing two matches a week in the prem and its a disaster when your best players get injured or sold from under you. Southgate is great in an ambassadoral role but a club manager, I doubt it.

You see, I agree with you - there is a big difference between managing a club and managing a national side. BUT, I disagree that managing the country is in any way an easier proposition. Certainly there are fewer matches and the job does involve a lot of travelling and therein is the issue.

A club manager has the benefit of building close connections with his players through frequent interactions during training and the frequent matches to which you refer. I think it is much more difficult to nurture and develop a team when they are often a different bunch who meet together infrequently for training sessions and matches.

It takes different qualities for sure and there is no guarantee that a good club manager could get a good tune out of a team of disperate players who only occasionally get together.

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

RubinsCube Wimbledon 17 Jul 24 10.22pm
Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer You see, I agree with you - there is a big difference between managing a club and managing a national side. BUT, I disagree that managing the country is in any way an easier proposition. Certainly there are fewer matches and the job does involve a lot of travelling and therein is the issue. A club manager has the benefit of building close connections with his players through frequent interactions during training and the frequent matches to which you refer. I think it is much more difficult to nurture and develop a team when they are often a different bunch who meet together infrequently for training sessions and matches. It takes different qualities for sure and there is no guarantee that a good club manager could get a good tune out of a team of disperate players who only occasionally get together. Agreed. But I think this is the very reason GS would struggle at club level: he has been unable or unwilling to change the style or mindset of the main starting XI for some time now. There was no urgency or variation in patterns of play during the Euros, and arguably before that. Sometimes, even simple patterns were missing with and without the ball (Spain's second was essentially three simple passes down the middle of the pitch when the England team had no shape; Slovakia could have had several from simple, predictable play before we equalized; Iceland's winning goal in the warm up game was one pass from them under pressure which took out half our team and had them running at us). Maybe with a bunch of different coaches and a set up like Taggart had up at Man United he might do ok. But the set up with England seemed to me to expose tactical deficiencies.

RubinsCube

Wimbledon 17 Jul 24 10.22pm

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

A club manager has the benefit of building close connections with his players through frequent interactions during training and the frequent matches to which you refer. I think it is much more difficult to nurture and develop a team when they are often a different bunch who meet together infrequently for training sessions and matches.

It takes different qualities for sure and there is no guarantee that a good club manager could get a good tune out of a team of disperate players who only occasionally get together.

Agreed. But I think this is the very reason GS would struggle at club level: he has been unable or unwilling to change the style or mindset of the main starting XI for some time now.

There was no urgency or variation in patterns of play during the Euros, and arguably before that. Sometimes, even simple patterns were missing with and without the ball (Spain's second was essentially three simple passes down the middle of the pitch when the England team had no shape; Slovakia could have had several from simple, predictable play before we equalized; Iceland's winning goal in the warm up game was one pass from them under pressure which took out half our team and had them running at us).

Maybe with a bunch of different coaches and a set up like Taggart had up at Man United he might do ok. But the set up with England seemed to me to expose tactical deficiencies.

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