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Tom-the-eagle  Croydon 14 Mar 19 1.42pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Nation charges its own soldier....again. A situation which they should never have been put in......The Army are not Police. Don't send your children to fight for this lot. They aren't worthy of defending. What are you defending nowadays? These people don't believe in nationhood. Let the liberals and left wing fill their ranks.....see how that goes. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Mar 2019 1.28pm) I don't often disagree with you and I'm not completely disagreeing with you now. The thought of British soldiers (particularly of a certain age) being tried in court does not sit easily with me. That said, many innocent people lost their lives that day. Some were children, some were shot whilst attending the wounded. This isn't black or white my friend.
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 Stirlingsays 14 Mar 19 1.56pm |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
I don't often disagree with you and I'm not completely disagreeing with you now. The thought of British soldiers (particularly of a certain age) being tried in court does not sit easily with me. That said, many innocent people lost their lives that day. Some were children, some were shot whilst attending the wounded. This isn't black or white my friend. No it isn't, I agree. Compensation was always the right action. If we could bring back the dead we would....The day the IRA convicted their own I might be able to stomach it. I still remember those two soldiers in the car at the funeral.....where's their justice. These were armed soldiers in a confrontational situation......This was always going to happen at some point. This isn't in my name and anyone sending their children to fight for this lot, they should remember this.....They pay you to have their back.....but when it's tough they haven't got yours.
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| Midlands Eagle 14 Mar 19 2.05pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Instead we get another Blair botch job and our brave soldiers are left to fight this on their own.
Not quite on their own as the Defence Secretary has said that we will pay all the soldier's legal costs so he will probably have a top barrister
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| Stirlingsays 14 Mar 19 2.07pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
It's disgraceful and yet again the blame lies at the door of Tony Blair. I have no doubt that innocent people were killed by soldiers that day. However when the Good Friday agreement was made the UK government agreed to release hundreds of terrorists and not to prosecute many others. This was the price for peace and I accept that it was a necessary evil. However Blair should have insisted that the amnesty also covered the security forces. I would have preferred a peace and reconciliation commission which would have investigated any crimes either by the terrorists or the security services with the proviso of immunity for those that agreed to co-operate with it. Instead we get another Blair botch job and our brave soldiers are left to fight this on their own. "Join the army get to meet interesting people and places and oh yeah and get hung out to dry by the establishment."
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| Stirlingsays 14 Mar 19 2.10pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
These soldiers murdered innocent civilians in cold blood. They were unarmed and posed no threat, some were little more than children, that is what the Saville findings found, and Prime Minister Cameron apologised for. They did not face court-martial and the troubles escalated as a result of their actions, with loss of life on all sides including the army itself. Their victims are dead, they are not. Fifth columnist number one.
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 14 Mar 19 2.16pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
These soldiers murdered innocent civilians in cold blood. They were unarmed and posed no threat, some were little more than children, that is what the Saville findings found, and Prime Minister Cameron apologised for. They did not face court-martial and the troubles escalated as a result of their actions, with loss of life on all sides including the army itself. Their victims are dead, they are not. Why is it that you only ever show outrage if it is directed against the government/Tories and political right? You would never post such outrage about an IRA or Islamic terrorist. Why is that? Edited by Tom-the-eagle (14 Mar 2019 2.19pm)
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| Midlands Eagle 14 Mar 19 2.18pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
These soldiers murdered innocent civilians in cold blood. They were unarmed and posed no threat, some were little more than children, Unarmed except for one of your so called children who was carrying a nail bomb
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| elgrande bedford 14 Mar 19 2.31pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
These soldiers murdered innocent civilians in cold blood. They were unarmed and posed no threat, some were little more than children, that is what the Saville findings found, and Prime Minister Cameron apologised for. They did not face court-martial and the troubles escalated as a result of their actions, with loss of life on all sides including the army itself. Their victims are dead, they are not.
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| ChrisGC Wantage 14 Mar 19 3.02pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
It's disgraceful and yet again the blame lies at the door of Tony Blair. I have no doubt that innocent people were killed by soldiers that day. However when the Good Friday agreement was made the UK government agreed to release hundreds of terrorists and not to prosecute many others. This was the price for peace and I accept that it was a necessary evil. However Blair should have insisted that the amnesty also covered the security forces. I would have preferred a peace and reconciliation commission which would have investigated any crimes either by the terrorists or the security services with the proviso of immunity for those that agreed to co-operate with it. Instead we get another Blair botch job and our brave soldiers are left to fight this on their own. "Join the army get to meet interesting people and places and oh yeah and get hung out to dry by the establishment." Brilliant post. Reconciliation isn't a one way street. It's either amnesty for all or amnesty for none. If they want to pursue this, fair enough. Let's bring in Adams and have a look into Jean McConville again for a start. Maybe the kingsmill massacre. The list is f***ing endless. At least in these instances it was entirely the cowardly IRA butchering civilians. What of the gutless scumbags like McGuiness who stood pissing themselves with fear, guns under coats, having called it on, then ran as it kicked off on bloody Sunday? There's blood on everybody's hands. We had them on the rack and traitor Blair let them off. Supposedly, the IRA had more grasses than Wimbledon common. No surrender I say.
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| Stirlingsays 14 Mar 19 3.05pm |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
Brilliant post. Reconciliation isn't a one way street. It's either amnesty for all or amnesty for none. If they want to pursue this, fair enough. Let's bring in Adams and have a look into Jean McConville again for a start. Maybe the kingsmill massacre. The list is f***ing endless. At least in these instances it was entirely the cowardly IRA butchering civilians. What of the gutless scumbags like McGuiness who stood pissing themselves with fear, guns under coats, having called it on, then ran as it kicked off on bloody Sunday? There's blood on everybody's hands. We had them on the rack and traitor Blair let them off. Supposedly, the IRA had more grasses than Wimbledon common. No surrender I say. Yep, our leaders aren't worth a wipe on the curtains.
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Cucking Funt | Midlands Eagle 14 Mar 19 5.35pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Interesting viewpoint in The Spectator. I'm torn over this issue. I feel I need to educate myself more about the circumstances before commenting. An interesting article indeed. What concerns me is that Dave F must be over 70 by now and surely his recollections of exactly what happened nearly 50 years ago must be sketchy at best as must the testimony of every other witness. I was trying to recall things in my life from 47 years ago and apart from the odd sexual encounter I can't really remember much at all in any detail
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 14 Mar 19 5.45pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
An interesting article indeed. What concerns me is that Dave F must be over 70 by now and surely his recollections of exactly what happened nearly 50 years ago must be sketchy at best as must the testimony of every other witness. I was trying to recall things in my life from 47 years ago and apart from the odd sexual encounter I can't really remember much at all in any detail What else is there worth remembering
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