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Originally posted by Badger11
To answer your question I guess it depends on what you expect FFP to do. For me it was never about stopping clubs spending money but ensuring that they actually had that money to spend in the first place. It is cheating by outspending your rivals with money you do not have and then defaulting which usually means owing the taxpayer miliions. However with all FFP's complexities I still see clubs going bust so for me it hasn't worked. As you hinted it is also being used by the bully boy clubs to prevent other clubs from joining them at the elite end. Jack Warner could not happen now. Edited by Badger11 (18 Apr 2024 1.30pm) Showing your age there Badger! Jack Warner?
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Originally posted by Badger11
To answer your question I guess it depends on what you expect FFP to do. For me it was never about stopping clubs spending money but ensuring that they actually had that money to spend in the first place. It is cheating by outspending your rivals with money you do not have and then defaulting which usually means owing the taxpayer miliions. However with all FFP's complexities I still see clubs going bust so for me it hasn't worked. As you hinted it is also being used by the bully boy clubs to prevent other clubs from joining them at the elite end. Jack Warner could not happen now. Edited by Badger11 (18 Apr 2024 1.30pm) this. Its a (good) Idea that hasn't done what it set out to do.
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Showing your age there Badger! Jack Warner? "And Fred was sent down for 7 years, silly boy"
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Showing your age there Badger! Jack Warner? Evening all
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I don't think FFP has much to do with the squad sizes - if clubs like Man City wanted to fill those 25 slots, they still could under FFP, but I think they see more benefit in leaving room for academy players rather than having 25 senior players - Bobb and Rico Lewis, off the top of my head, wouldn't need registering but are very much part of the City squad. I don't think FFP works well to answer the OP - I think it was well-intentioned, and actually view the punishments on Forest and Everton as positives in terms of it actually achieving something, but until they scalp one of the big boys, it can't claim to be fair. Chelsea found a loop hole and were able to buy £1bn of players in little over 12m, City are just kicking the can down the road with a lengthy legal battle which they know they can afford and Newcastle have hugely inflated their revenue with all these shell 'sponsors' from the Middle-East (something City have also been doing for years). I agree. PL really didn’t want to enforce penalties but appear to have had their hands forced by the introduction of the Independent regulator. IMO they introduced the regulations without ever thinking they would need to use them, hence the somewhat arbitrary punishments
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I agree. PL really didn’t want to enforce penalties but appear to have had their hands forced by the introduction of the Independent regulator. IMO they introduced the regulations without ever thinking they would need to use them, hence the somewhat arbitrary punishments It is the FA who bring these charges, on advice from the EPL/EFL
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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad
It has certainly stopped Newcastle spending in the last window, and lack of a Haaland stand in, Chelsea have to sell 120m in the summer, and players they haven't bought EG, James, Gallagher etc will be the ones with the highest value, i have no doubt that if they could both would have spent big last window Having spent £60m on Tonali, £40m on Harvey Barnes and £35m on Livramento in the summer. They also agreed to buy Lewis Hall for £30m, but agreed an initial loan so that will show on next year's accounts. They've spent near enough £500m across 3 seasons and only banked about £50m in player sales. If it's only now they've had to slow down, I don't think FFP is achieving much.
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Rumour I heard is from next year its fines only.
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Originally posted by cryrst
Rumour I heard is from next year its fines only. I read an article which said that about 14 of PL clubs would be voting to remove points penalties in favour of financial penalties. Not fit for purpose surely the understatement of the Century
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I read an article which said that about 14 of PL clubs would be voting to remove points penalties in favour of financial penalties. Not fit for purpose surely the understatement of the Century Typical football authorities' logic. You've spent more money than you should, or can afford, so we're going to take some more from you.
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Although the link is about EPL clubs going out of Europe & therefore not getting the extra CL spot, if you scroll a bit further, they put a table up of the top 20 clubs spending from 2014-2023, we are 16th . . . [Link]
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Having spent £60m on Tonali, £40m on Harvey Barnes and £35m on Livramento in the summer. They also agreed to buy Lewis Hall for £30m, but agreed an initial loan so that will show on next year's accounts. They've spent near enough £500m across 3 seasons and only banked about £50m in player sales. If it's only now they've had to slow down, I don't think FFP is achieving much. But they have had to slow down, and it will continue to disrupt them, Chelsea and Man City
“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Typical football authorities' logic. You've spent more money than you should, or can afford, so we're going to take some more from you. Perhaps if the fines were included in the future FFP Calculations, so effectively reducing the amount they can spend in the period they were fined in ?
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Originally posted by CrazyBadger
Perhaps if the fines were included in the future FFP Calculations, so effectively reducing the amount they can spend in the period they were fined in ? Maybe but presumably the big money boys would just come up with spurious cash injections, like City's advertising revenue from the owners' relations, to pay their way out of any problems.
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Maybe but presumably the big money boys would just come up with spurious cash injections, like City's advertising revenue from the owners' relations, to pay their way out of any problems. There is always a loophole to jump through.
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