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jeeagles 30 Jun 20 11.30am
Originally posted by Willo There will be those who will assert that we are 6 pts better off than at the same juncture as last season and certainly won't go down so at the end of the season "Mission accomplished". Edited by Willo (30 Jun 2020 10.38am) I'd be very suprised if we are 6 points better off by the end of the season. Attachment: Data.jpg (29.25Kb)

jeeagles

30 Jun 20 11.30am

Originally posted by Willo

There will be those who will assert that we are 6 pts better off than at the same juncture as last season and certainly won't go down so at the end of the season "Mission accomplished".

Edited by Willo (30 Jun 2020 10.38am)

I'd be very suprised if we are 6 points better off by the end of the season.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 30 Jun 20 11.34am
Originally posted by Spiderman But we will drop down anyway at this rate. Once Burnley scores we were always going to struggle so why not give them a run out. They are asking fans to support the academy but the manager isn’t even doing that A little bit crystal ball, if he had played them and we lost the outcry would be as large because we have so much more to play for up the table, what still upsets me more then anything is the ball passing skills of quite a few of our players when having the time and space to easily find one of their teammates, I suppose it comes with the territory.

Tickled pink

Cornwall 30 Jun 20 11.34am

Originally posted by Spiderman

But we will drop down anyway at this rate. Once Burnley scores we were always going to struggle so why not give them a run out. They are asking fans to support the academy but the manager isn’t even doing that

A little bit crystal ball, if he had played them and we lost the outcry would be as large because we have so much more to play for up the table, what still upsets me more then anything is the ball passing skills of quite a few of our players when having the time and space to easily find one of their teammates, I suppose it comes with the territory.

Booted Eagle Bristol 30 Jun 20 11.48am
Lookin at the home and away table it is pretty clear where the problem lies. I was surprised to see us 13th at home, particularly as we have only scored 12 goals, 4 less than any other side. As far as I can see only Stevenage, who prop up the rest, have scored less than us at home in all the divisions !! COYP !! “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

Booted Eagle

Bristol 30 Jun 20 11.48am

Lookin at the home and away table it is pretty clear where the problem lies. I was surprised to see us 13th at home, particularly as we have only scored 12 goals, 4 less than any other side. As far as I can see only Stevenage, who prop up the rest, have scored less than us at home in all the divisions !! COYP !!

“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

Booted Eagle Bristol 30 Jun 20 11.58am
Originally posted by Rainforest We can't play like last night for the remaining 6 games or we'll get nothing out of them. Roy must stay proactive throughout and take every 90/95 mins seriously - last night he looked more like a spectator on the sideline. There are still 18 points to play for and we should aim to get at least 9 or 10. Think we will now struggle to top 50 points this season based on our future opponents. Chelski, Spuds and ManUre will all be chasing points to secure Champs League spots. Both Leicester and Wolves tough opponents as well. All 5 above us. Villa we might eke out something. “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

Booted Eagle

Bristol 30 Jun 20 11.58am

Originally posted by Rainforest

We can't play like last night for the remaining 6 games or we'll get nothing out of them. Roy must stay proactive throughout and take every 90/95 mins seriously - last night he looked more like a spectator on the sideline. There are still 18 points to play for and we should aim to get at least 9 or 10.

Think we will now struggle to top 50 points this season based on our future opponents. Chelski, Spuds and ManUre will all be chasing points to secure Champs League spots. Both Leicester and Wolves tough opponents as well. All 5 above us. Villa we might eke out something.

CrazyBadger Ware 30 Jun 20 11.58am
Originally posted by Tickled pink A little bit crystal ball, if he had played them and we lost the outcry would be as large because we have so much more to play for up the table, what still upsets me more then anything is the ball passing skills of quite a few of our players when having the time and space to easily find one of their teammates, I suppose it comes with the territory. That was fully evident in the first half. Burnley passed the ball around us with and easy and crispness that we could only dream of. Everytime we got a sniff of the ball, within 3-4 touches Burnley had it back again, after either a bad first touch, bad movement and understanding between players, or simply a misplaced pass. Disgraceful for 'experienced' players at this standard. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

CrazyBadger

Ware 30 Jun 20 11.58am

Originally posted by Tickled pink

That was fully evident in the first half.
Burnley passed the ball around us with and easy and crispness that we could only dream of. Everytime we got a sniff of the ball, within 3-4 touches Burnley had it back again, after either a bad first touch, bad movement and understanding between players, or simply a misplaced pass.
Disgraceful for 'experienced' players at this standard.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

Pete53 Hassocks 30 Jun 20 12.13pm
Originally posted by Tickled pink A little bit crystal ball, if he had played them and we lost the outcry would be as large because we have so much more to play for up the table, what still upsets me more then anything is the ball passing skills of quite a few of our players when having the time and space to easily find one of their teammates, I suppose it comes with the territory. The odd thing is that ever since we have returned to the Premier League the quality of our passing and movement, and consequent ability to retain possession has been generally poor. Managers have come and gone, as have players, but that aspect of our game doesn't seem to change. Edited by Pete53 (30 Jun 2020 1.33pm)

Pete53

Hassocks 30 Jun 20 12.13pm

Originally posted by Tickled pink

The odd thing is that ever since we have returned to the Premier League the quality of our passing and movement, and consequent ability to retain possession has been generally poor. Managers have come and gone, as have players, but that aspect of our game doesn't seem to change.

Edited by Pete53 (30 Jun 2020 1.33pm)

jeeagles 30 Jun 20 1.59pm
Originally posted by Pete53 The odd thing is that ever since we have returned to the Premier League the quality of our passing and movement, and consequent ability to retain possession has been generally poor. Managers have come and gone, as have players, but that aspect of our game doesn't seem to change. Edited by Pete53 (30 Jun 2020 1.33pm) Our individual skill levels have definately got worse under Hodgson. His focus is entirely on shape and formation. Which is excellent. Unfortunealy, the individual skill, tactics, substitutions, motivation, and recruitment aren't up to scratch. The age of the squad is also a time bomb. Roy recruited 4 players who played last night aged 28, 30, 33, and 34. He's been at the club 3 years now. He's not shown any interest in bringing through players to get that number down. The recruitment policy must be down to him.

jeeagles

30 Jun 20 1.59pm

Originally posted by Pete53

Edited by Pete53 (30 Jun 2020 1.33pm)

Our individual skill levels have definately got worse under Hodgson. His focus is entirely on shape and formation. Which is excellent. Unfortunealy, the individual skill, tactics, substitutions, motivation, and recruitment aren't up to scratch.

The age of the squad is also a time bomb. Roy recruited 4 players who played last night aged 28, 30, 33, and 34.

He's been at the club 3 years now. He's not shown any interest in bringing through players to get that number down. The recruitment policy must be down to him.

Painter Croydon 30 Jun 20 2.33pm
Originally posted by CrazyBadger That was fully evident in the first half. Burnley passed the ball around us with and easy and crispness that we could only dream of. Everytime we got a sniff of the ball, within 3-4 touches Burnley had it back again, after either a bad first touch, bad movement and understanding between players, or simply a misplaced pass. Disgraceful for 'experienced' players at this standard. Burnley played almost exactly as we played against Bournemouth. Fairly obvious our season is over and the players fail to motivate themselves to play at the level required. Can’t see the youngsters being played against strong teams in last 6 games,

Painter

Croydon 30 Jun 20 2.33pm

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

Burnley played almost exactly as we played against Bournemouth. Fairly obvious our season is over and the players fail to motivate themselves to play at the level required.
Can’t see the youngsters being played against strong teams in last 6 games,

Painter Croydon 30 Jun 20 2.36pm
Originally posted by jeeagles Our individual skill levels have definately got worse under Hodgson. His focus is entirely on shape and formation. Which is excellent. Unfortunealy, the individual skill, tactics, substitutions, motivation, and recruitment aren't up to scratch. The age of the squad is also a time bomb. Roy recruited 4 players who played last night aged 28, 30, 33, and 34. He's been at the club 3 years now. He's not shown any interest in bringing through players to get that number down. The recruitment policy must be down to him. He is judged on staying in the Premier, not the age of the squad, don’t expect any change.

Painter

Croydon 30 Jun 20 2.36pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

The age of the squad is also a time bomb. Roy recruited 4 players who played last night aged 28, 30, 33, and 34.

He's been at the club 3 years now. He's not shown any interest in bringing through players to get that number down. The recruitment policy must be down to him.

He is judged on staying in the Premier, not the age of the squad, don’t expect any change.

YoDougie London 30 Jun 20 2.51pm
Maybe controversial, but I actually thought Meyer played well when we came on yesterday. Some neat passion and a decent cross. I fear there is certainly a player in there, but due to him not being in Hodgson's 15 man squad, we haven't seen it.

YoDougie

London 30 Jun 20 2.51pm

Maybe controversial, but I actually thought Meyer played well when we came on yesterday. Some neat passion and a decent cross.

I fear there is certainly a player in there, but due to him not being in Hodgson's 15 man squad, we haven't seen it.

Pete53 Hassocks 30 Jun 20 2.59pm
Originally posted by jeeagles Our individual skill levels have definately got worse under Hodgson. His focus is entirely on shape and formation. Which is excellent. Unfortunealy, the individual skill, tactics, substitutions, motivation, and recruitment aren't up to scratch. The age of the squad is also a time bomb. Roy recruited 4 players who played last night aged 28, 30, 33, and 34. He's been at the club 3 years now. He's not shown any interest in bringing through players to get that number down. The recruitment policy must be down to him. Well I would think he has some say in it but the amount of money SP is prepared to put up for purchases is also going to be a big factor. If there is little money available then we are inevitably going to be looking at cheaper ageing players, or out of contract players.

Pete53

Hassocks 30 Jun 20 2.59pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

The age of the squad is also a time bomb. Roy recruited 4 players who played last night aged 28, 30, 33, and 34.

He's been at the club 3 years now. He's not shown any interest in bringing through players to get that number down. The recruitment policy must be down to him.

Well I would think he has some say in it but the amount of money SP is prepared to put up for purchases is also going to be a big factor.

If there is little money available then we are inevitably going to be looking at cheaper ageing players, or out of contract players.

Frickin Saweet South Cronx 30 Jun 20 3.32pm
last night was a stark reminder that we're devoid of creativity and goal scorers. This won't change going into next season due to Roy's player preference and our inability to sign a goal scorer. How I'd love someone like an in-form Punch' right now. We don't even have one of those to chip in. Cahill is probably close to top of our 'attempts on goal' stats for the last three games, which only highlights our impotence.

Frickin Saweet

South Cronx 30 Jun 20 3.32pm

last night was a stark reminder that we're devoid of creativity and goal scorers. This won't change going into next season due to Roy's player preference and our inability to sign a goal scorer.

How I'd love someone like an in-form Punch' right now. We don't even have one of those to chip in. Cahill is probably close to top of our 'attempts on goal' stats for the last three games, which only highlights our impotence.

kennybrowns leftfoot Reigate 30 Jun 20 5.35pm
Originally posted by YoDougie Maybe controversial, but I actually thought Meyer played well when we came on yesterday. Some neat passion and a decent cross. I fear there is certainly a player in there, but due to him not being in Hodgson's 15 man squad, we haven't seen it. I agree with this.. He is constantly played out of position and we also have a manager that doesn't allow a player like Meyer to express himself due to how we play.. I've always said that I think Meyer could become a quality Premier league player but not in our side with our manager unfortunately.. Don't waste your time with jealousy. Sometimes your ahead, sometimes your behind, the race is long. But in the end it's only with yourself!!

kennybrowns leftfoot

Reigate 30 Jun 20 5.35pm

Originally posted by YoDougie

Maybe controversial, but I actually thought Meyer played well when we came on yesterday. Some neat passion and a decent cross.

I fear there is certainly a player in there, but due to him not being in Hodgson's 15 man squad, we haven't seen it.

I agree with this.. He is constantly played out of position and we also have a manager that doesn't allow a player like Meyer to express himself due to how we play..

I've always said that I think Meyer could become a quality Premier league player but not in our side with our manager unfortunately..

Don't waste your time with jealousy. Sometimes your ahead, sometimes your behind, the race is long. But in the end it's only with yourself!!

kev64 Cambs 30 Jun 20 5.41pm
Originally posted by Spiderman But we will drop down anyway at this rate. Once Burnley scores we were always going to struggle so why not give them a run out. They are asking fans to support the academy but the manager isn’t even doing that Exactly, don’t take your St money back , buy a brick in a wall, why invest in an academy when they don’t get used. 4 of then sat on the bench during a piss poor performance, ffs Roy either play what some may remember as decent attacking football, take risk, play players in position, change tactics not just stand on the sidelines trying to look like a wise old owl , if we lose so be it , it’s light years away from the dross we are being fed. I’m tired of it one or two decent games a year what’s the point ... Last night was Roy in a nutshell .. plan a , don’t attack, sit back , don’t change tactics. 90 min of sleepwalking s*** tbh. Zero plan b , all this bs were missing tekkers wtf , 2 goals in 2 years , but o yes he can head a ball no where in particular. I’m done

kev64

Cambs 30 Jun 20 5.41pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Exactly, don’t take your St money back , buy a brick in a wall, why invest in an academy when they don’t get used. 4 of then sat on the bench during a piss poor performance, ffs Roy either play what some may remember as decent attacking football, take risk, play players in position, change tactics not just stand on the sidelines trying to look like a wise old owl , if we lose so be it , it’s light years away from the dross we are being fed. I’m tired of it one or two decent games a year what’s the point ...

Last night was Roy in a nutshell .. plan a , don’t attack, sit back , don’t change tactics. 90 min of sleepwalking s*** tbh. Zero plan b , all this bs were missing tekkers wtf , 2 goals in 2 years , but o yes he can head a ball no where in particular. I’m done

DutchEagleJohan Vlissingen, Netherlands 30 Jun 20 5.50pm
How many of us thought we would go down this season, or at the most would struggle to survive? I certainly had little confidence so in terms of results in my book we have overachieved. Our wage bill may be hefty, but our investment in players with resale value surely is not and as such Roy has done a tremendous job. Yet I fully understand people longing for more attractive football and giving younger players a change. Unfortunately the reality is that Premier League football is a "results business". Entertainment seems far less important and most of us fans put up with it.

DutchEagleJohan

Vlissingen, Netherlands 30 Jun 20 5.50pm

How many of us thought we would go down this season, or at the most would struggle to survive? I certainly had little confidence so in terms of results in my book we have overachieved. Our wage bill may be hefty, but our investment in players with resale value surely is not and as such Roy has done a tremendous job. Yet I fully understand people longing for more attractive football and giving younger players a change. Unfortunately the reality is that Premier League football is a "results business". Entertainment seems far less important and most of us fans put up with it.

kev64 Cambs 30 Jun 20 6.04pm
Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan How many of us thought we would go down this season, or at the most would struggle to survive? I certainly had little confidence so in terms of results in my book we have overachieved. Our wage bill may be hefty, but our investment in players with resale value surely is not and as such Roy has done a tremendous job. Yet I fully understand people longing for more attractive football and giving younger players a change. Unfortunately the reality is that Premier League football is a "results business". Entertainment seems far less important and most of us fans put up with it. We have 42points we are safe .. 6 games to actually experiment in .. use untried players .. play fing football not make us want to stick pins in our eyes to feel something while watching the crap we were dealt with last night

kev64

Cambs 30 Jun 20 6.04pm

Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan

We have 42points we are safe .. 6 games to actually experiment in .. use untried players .. play fing football not make us want to stick pins in our eyes to feel something while watching the crap we were dealt with last night

Eagle El Medway 30 Jun 20 7.29pm
Originally posted by kev64 We have 42points we are safe .. 6 games to actually experiment in .. use untried players .. play fing football not make us want to stick pins in our eyes to feel something while watching the crap we were dealt with last night This is exactly it! Once a Glazier, now an Eagle, Palace Forever.

Eagle El

Medway 30 Jun 20 7.29pm

Originally posted by kev64

This is exactly it!

Once a Glazier, now an Eagle, Palace Forever.

Den1923 30 Jun 20 9.59pm
Originally posted by kev64 We have 42points we are safe .. 6 games to actually experiment in .. use untried players .. play fing football not make us want to stick pins in our eyes to feel something while watching the crap we were dealt with last night I agree, we cannot keep making excuses the last two games we have been really poor and the team has too many players who are over 30, if we are to continue in PL we need some decent younger players and especially a good striker and creative midfielder. Pitty Sorloth is on loan until Aug 2021!

Den1923

30 Jun 20 9.59pm

Originally posted by kev64

I agree, we cannot keep making excuses the last two games we have been really poor and the team has too many players who are over 30, if we are to continue in PL we need some decent younger players and especially a good striker and creative midfielder. Pitty Sorloth is on loan until Aug 2021!

cryrst The garden of England 30 Jun 20 10.13pm
Originally posted by Den1923 I agree, we cannot keep making excuses the last two games we have been really poor and the team has too many players who are over 30, if we are to continue in PL we need some decent younger players and especially a good striker and creative midfielder. Pitty Sorloth is on loan until Aug 2021! Roy wont play him. He missed a chance and that's enough, unless you are benteke.

cryrst

The garden of England 30 Jun 20 10.13pm

Originally posted by Den1923

Roy wont play him.
He missed a chance and that's enough, unless you are benteke.

Spiderman Horsham 01 Jul 20 7.43am
Originally posted by kennybrowns leftfoot I agree with this.. He is constantly played out of position and we also have a manager that doesn't allow a player like Meyer to express himself due to how we play.. I've always said that I think Meyer could become a quality Premier league player but not in our side with our manager unfortunately.. 100% this

Spiderman

Horsham 01 Jul 20 7.43am

Originally posted by kennybrowns leftfoot

I agree with this.. He is constantly played out of position and we also have a manager that doesn't allow a player like Meyer to express himself due to how we play..

I've always said that I think Meyer could become a quality Premier league player but not in our side with our manager unfortunately..

100% this

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