Palace v Brentford Match Thread

This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.

Palace v Brentford Match Thread

Page 10 of 10 << First < 6 7 8 9 10

george1212 london 22 Aug 21 12.14pm
I think Viera could have done worse yesterday, a point was the bare minimum which we achieved and we didn't make it easy for Brentford off the back of their win against Arsenal. Wilf wasn't great but wasn't terrible either, but his attitude hasn't been helping. We look like a relatively solid outfit but as usual not quite enough attacking verve. Eze is a big loss for us. We need another winger / midfielder who can take players on. Most of the new signings looked good. Mitchell didn't have a great day yesterday but needs a bit of time. Perhaps just needs a bit more confidence sometimes to beat a man.

george1212

london 22 Aug 21 12.14pm

I think Viera could have done worse yesterday, a point was the bare minimum which we achieved and we didn't make it easy for Brentford off the back of their win against Arsenal.

Wilf wasn't great but wasn't terrible either, but his attitude hasn't been helping.

We look like a relatively solid outfit but as usual not quite enough attacking verve. Eze is a big loss for us. We need another winger / midfielder who can take players on.

Most of the new signings looked good. Mitchell didn't have a great day yesterday but needs a bit of time. Perhaps just needs a bit more confidence sometimes to beat a man.

babylonjohn St Leonards-on-Sea 22 Aug 21 1.14pm
Difficult to judge this side from the Chelsea game as we were never going to get much of a look in. But I was really pleased to see us playing on the front foot more and not giving up possession quite so easily. The new recruits looked good especially Gallagher whose hard tackling and driving runs were excellent. Shame its only a loan. However Benteke and Wilf our two "star" players (and top earners) were poor and needed to get involved more.

babylonjohn

St Leonards-on-Sea 22 Aug 21 1.14pm

Difficult to judge this side from the Chelsea game as we were never going to get much of a look in. But I was really pleased to see us playing on the front foot more and not giving up possession quite so easily. The new recruits looked good especially Gallagher whose hard tackling and driving runs were excellent. Shame its only a loan. However Benteke and Wilf our two "star" players (and top earners) were poor and needed to get involved more.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Aug 21 1.33pm
Originally posted by babylonjohn Difficult to judge this side from the Chelsea game as we were never going to get much of a look in. But I was really pleased to see us playing on the front foot more and not giving up possession quite so easily. The new recruits looked good especially Gallagher whose hard tackling and driving runs were excellent. Shame its only a loan. However Benteke and Wilf our two "star" players (and top earners) were poor and needed to get involved more. I never thought I would ever see Benteke described as a "Star" player on HOL. Credit where credit is due he did score 5 goals in his last 7 PL games last season, in fact 4 in his last 4, and looked a far better player than he had done in previous seasons. At present if he gets injured we will need to rely on Mateta/Ayew - we are in dire need of another striker but these players can be a drain on finances.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Aug 21 1.33pm

Originally posted by babylonjohn

Difficult to judge this side from the Chelsea game as we were never going to get much of a look in. But I was really pleased to see us playing on the front foot more and not giving up possession quite so easily. The new recruits looked good especially Gallagher whose hard tackling and driving runs were excellent. Shame its only a loan. However Benteke and Wilf our two "star" players (and top earners) were poor and needed to get involved more.

I never thought I would ever see Benteke described as a "Star" player on HOL.

Credit where credit is due he did score 5 goals in his last 7 PL games last season, in fact 4 in his last 4, and looked a far better player than he had done in previous seasons.
At present if he gets injured we will need to rely on Mateta/Ayew - we are in dire need of another striker but these players can be a drain on finances.

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 22 Aug 21 1.52pm
Originally posted by radicalsteve I think we have to be realistic, this is a team in transition ... with only three new players on the pitch, all of whom did a better job than the players that they replaced from last season's team. Bekkers was poor, Kouyate was a liability, Ward can't operate as a wing back and Schlupp was unable to create anything for the team. IMHO, PV should sub Wilf if he has another game like to today and then either he continues to throw his toys out of the pram, or he smartens up. PV needs to show who is in charge and make tough calls, even though it might hurt in the short term, in the long run it sets the tone for the whole of the team. AND I was completely unimpressed with Benteke throwing his hands up all the time insinuating that his team members were at fault. He was like a cart horse today, no speed, no running off the ball in to space and just wanting the ball on a silver platter - oh and by the way when he got a great cross on to his head, he put it way over the bar. I rest my case! Edited by radicalsteve (22 Aug 2021 4.45am) Ward can"t operate as a wing back? Benteke missed a great cross to his head? Who delivered that great cross? Ward !

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 22 Aug 21 1.52pm

Originally posted by radicalsteve

I think we have to be realistic, this is a team in transition ... with only three new players on the pitch, all of whom did a better job than the players that they replaced from last season's team.

Bekkers was poor, Kouyate was a liability, Ward can't operate as a wing back and Schlupp was unable to create anything for the team. IMHO, PV should sub Wilf if he has another game like to today and then either he continues to throw his toys out of the pram, or he smartens up. PV needs to show who is in charge and make tough calls, even though it might hurt in the short term, in the long run it sets the tone for the whole of the team. AND I was completely unimpressed with Benteke throwing his hands up all the time insinuating that his team members were at fault. He was like a cart horse today, no speed, no running off the ball in to space and just wanting the ball on a silver platter - oh and by the way when he got a great cross on to his head, he put it way over the bar. I rest my case!

Edited by radicalsteve (22 Aug 2021 4.45am)

Ward can"t operate as a wing back? Benteke missed a great cross to his head? Who delivered that great cross? Ward !

radicalsteve ottawa 22 Aug 21 3.17pm
Good point, it seems that Ward has improved under the new regime and he has got in some good crosses and he has not been an obvious liability. Nevertheless, he does not have the quality we need in the 4-3-3 system PV is playing. Mitchell has some iffy moments as well and neither player has the quality that AWB had to stop the crosses coming in from the opposition. IMHO it is an area of obvious weakness for the team, the current two should be back-ups, not first choice and I am sure as time goes on, that will become the case.

radicalsteve

ottawa 22 Aug 21 3.17pm

Good point, it seems that Ward has improved under the new regime and he has got in some good crosses and he has not been an obvious liability. Nevertheless, he does not have the quality we need in the 4-3-3 system PV is playing. Mitchell has some iffy moments as well and neither player has the quality that AWB had to stop the crosses coming in from the opposition. IMHO it is an area of obvious weakness for the team, the current two should be back-ups, not first choice and I am sure as time goes on, that will become the case.

EddieMac 22 Aug 21 3.27pm
Originally posted by george1212 I think Viera could have done worse yesterday, a point was the bare minimum which we achieved and we didn't make it easy for Brentford off the back of their win against Arsenal. Wilf wasn't great but wasn't terrible either, but his attitude hasn't been helping. We look like a relatively solid outfit but as usual not quite enough attacking verve. Eze is a big loss for us. We need another winger / midfielder who can take players on. Most of the new signings looked good. Mitchell didn't have a great day yesterday but needs a bit of time. Perhaps just needs a bit more confidence sometimes to beat a man. Mitchell looked shook yesterday from the off and never recovered. He was a wreck from start to finish and didn’t look comfortable at all. I really hope we have a left full lined up because it is bad enough having 1 senior left full but when the 1 isn’t even good enough it’s a terrible situation.

EddieMac

22 Aug 21 3.27pm

Originally posted by george1212

I think Viera could have done worse yesterday, a point was the bare minimum which we achieved and we didn't make it easy for Brentford off the back of their win against Arsenal.

Wilf wasn't great but wasn't terrible either, but his attitude hasn't been helping.

We look like a relatively solid outfit but as usual not quite enough attacking verve. Eze is a big loss for us. We need another winger / midfielder who can take players on.

Most of the new signings looked good. Mitchell didn't have a great day yesterday but needs a bit of time. Perhaps just needs a bit more confidence sometimes to beat a man.

Mitchell looked shook yesterday from the off and never recovered. He was a wreck from start to finish and didn’t look comfortable at all. I really hope we have a left full lined up because it is bad enough having 1 senior left full but when the 1 isn’t even good enough it’s a terrible situation.

NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 22 Aug 21 4.07pm
Originally posted by EddieMac Mitchell looked shook yesterday from the off and never recovered. He was a wreck from start to finish and didn’t look comfortable at all. I really hope we have a left full lined up because it is bad enough having 1 senior left full but when the 1 isn’t even good enough it’s a terrible situation. Some players will adjust to a different playing approach quicker than others. Let's see how Ty copes in the next couple of games. Old, Ungifted and White

NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 22 Aug 21 4.07pm

Originally posted by EddieMac

Some players will adjust to a different playing approach quicker than others.

Let's see how Ty copes in the next couple of games.

Old, Ungifted and White

Bexley Eagle Bexley Kent 22 Aug 21 4.22pm
There were plenty of positives to take from yesterday’s game. The defence looked solid, especially as it is a new back. A clean sheet is a real positive. Gallagher looks a good addition in midfield. I would also like it noted the the only 2 crosses of note in the entire game came from Ward ( Benteke headed over) and Ayew (Benteke posturing rather than busting a gut to get to it at the near post). We need to put in more crosses. Brentford we tough opponents full of confidence and pressed us well. Given all the changes and last weeks abject performance I am not overly disappointed with a point or the performance

Bexley Eagle

Bexley Kent 22 Aug 21 4.22pm

There were plenty of positives to take from yesterday’s game. The defence looked solid, especially as it is a new back. A clean sheet is a real positive. Gallagher looks a good addition in midfield.
I would also like it noted the the only 2 crosses of note in the entire game came from Ward ( Benteke headed over) and Ayew (Benteke posturing rather than busting a gut to get to it at the near post). We need to put in more crosses.
Brentford we tough opponents full of confidence and pressed us well. Given all the changes and last weeks abject performance I am not overly disappointed with a point or the performance

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 22 Aug 21 4.46pm
Originally posted by radicalsteve Good point, it seems that Ward has improved under the new regime and he has got in some good crosses and he has not been an obvious liability. Nevertheless, he does not have the quality we need in the 4-3-3 system PV is playing. Mitchell has some iffy moments as well and neither player has the quality that AWB had to stop the crosses coming in from the opposition. IMHO it is an area of obvious weakness for the team, the current two should be back-ups, not first choice and I am sure as time goes on, that will become the case. Yeah, he got forward a lot more yesterday but you have a point!

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 22 Aug 21 4.46pm

Originally posted by radicalsteve

Yeah, he got forward a lot more yesterday but you have a point!

ripleyeagle Ripley Surrey 22 Aug 21 4.50pm
Originally posted by BarEagle I thought Ward was excellent today. We’re you watching the same fame?... I agree,I was at the game and thought Joel had a good game yesterday.Isn’t it funny that over the last eight seasons whatever manager has come in have shown faith in Wardy and I know they no more about football than the idiots on here that keep calling him a league one defender.

ripleyeagle

Ripley Surrey 22 Aug 21 4.50pm

Originally posted by BarEagle

I thought Ward was excellent today. We’re you watching the same fame?...

I agree,I was at the game and thought Joel had a good game yesterday.Isn’t it funny that over the last eight seasons whatever manager has come in have shown faith in Wardy and I know they no more about football than the idiots on here that keep calling him a league one defender.

daven Hailsham 22 Aug 21 5.44pm
Ward looked ok when defending but his attacking passes were very predictable. As a back four we look adequate for playing against most premier league teams. Midfield need to gel more then with Eze and Olise will be fine. Forwards are a big question mark. Zaha looks to have lost pace to loose defenders, difficult to assess Benteke because of poor service. Ayew is not improving, I think that we have had the best from him. On the plus side Andersen and Guehi look good as does Conner.

daven

Hailsham 22 Aug 21 5.44pm

Ward looked ok when defending but his attacking passes were very predictable. As a back four we look adequate for playing against most premier league teams.
Midfield need to gel more then with Eze and Olise will be fine.
Forwards are a big question mark. Zaha looks to have lost pace to loose defenders, difficult to assess Benteke because of poor service.
Ayew is not improving, I think that we have had the best from him.
On the plus side Andersen and Guehi look good as does Conner.

viveasheagle perth 23 Aug 21 5.44am
Just to reiterate on some observations already made. Draw was a fair result. Thought we were better early but for later part of first half Brentford were on top. Last 10 minutes they really tired and game was there for the taking but we lack quality in final third. Wilf was poor but he had no support from Mitchell. He looks to have been "found out" all left foot and can only go down the line. When this option was closed down he was regularly losing possession. If he got forward more often then defenders would have to mark him freeing up space for Wilf. If he stays at 1/2 line then Wilf is going to have 2 players to deal with which has been the case so far this season. Positive for me was defending of set pieces - we had a lot to deal with and look comfortable.

viveasheagle

perth 23 Aug 21 5.44am

Just to reiterate on some observations already made. Draw was a fair result. Thought we were better early but for later part of first half Brentford were on top. Last 10 minutes they really tired and game was there for the taking but we lack quality in final third.
Wilf was poor but he had no support from Mitchell. He looks to have been "found out" all left foot and can only go down the line. When this option was closed down he was regularly losing possession.
If he got forward more often then defenders would have to mark him freeing up space for Wilf. If he stays at 1/2 line then Wilf is going to have 2 players to deal with which has been the case so far this season.
Positive for me was defending of set pieces - we had a lot to deal with and look comfortable.

crvenaeagle 23 Aug 21 5.53am
Compared to Arsenal who have had the same two fixtures we're a point ahead and one goal less in difference.

crvenaeagle

23 Aug 21 5.53am

Compared to Arsenal who have had the same two fixtures we're a point ahead and one goal less in difference.

michaelpearce grays 23 Aug 21 1.06pm
Originally posted by Mathers Leave our best player on the bench??? Post match emotion is understandable but please be realistic. A 10% contribution from Wilf is still better than what Ayew or Schlupp could offer as alternatives. I’m not happy at all about Wilfs contribution or general attitude today but he’ll still be 1st name of the team sheet next week without question . its not just one game he seems to me that he doesn't have that fear factor anymore , watching other teams they all chase down the wide players with 2 players because of the danger, that's why Eze was a breath of fresh air, end of the day Wilf needs to man up and shut up and get back to playing, as I said a 50% Wilf is no good to us, that's why I say drop him to the bench, then maybe he will start giving his all for the team again, and he can see areas he can exploit when he comes on

michaelpearce

grays 23 Aug 21 1.06pm

Originally posted by Mathers

Leave our best player on the bench??? Post match emotion is understandable but please be realistic. A 10% contribution from Wilf is still better than what Ayew or Schlupp could offer as alternatives.

I’m not happy at all about Wilfs contribution or general attitude today but he’ll still be 1st name of the team sheet next week without question .

its not just one game he seems to me that he doesn't have that fear factor anymore , watching other teams they all chase down the wide players with 2 players because of the danger, that's why Eze was a breath of fresh air, end of the day Wilf needs to man up and shut up and get back to playing, as I said a 50% Wilf is no good to us, that's why I say drop him to the bench, then maybe he will start giving his all for the team again, and he can see areas he can exploit when he comes on

viveasheagle perth 23 Aug 21 1.39pm
The other observation with Wilf is, with the ref's not blowing up for minor infringements, he needs to adjust his game. He should be looking to stay on his feet and get shots/ crosses away rather than trying to win free kicks.

viveasheagle

perth 23 Aug 21 1.39pm

The other observation with Wilf is, with the ref's not blowing up for minor infringements, he needs to adjust his game. He should be looking to stay on his feet and get shots/ crosses away rather than trying to win free kicks.

doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 23 Aug 21 2.17pm
Originally posted by viveasheagle The other observation with Wilf is, with the ref's not blowing up for minor infringements, he needs to adjust his game. He should be looking to stay on his feet and get shots/ crosses away rather than trying to win free kicks. Agreed, but sadly, I'm not sure it's in his DNA to do that.

doombear

Too far from Selhurst Park 23 Aug 21 2.17pm

Originally posted by viveasheagle

Agreed, but sadly, I'm not sure it's in his DNA to do that.

waterfordpal 23 Aug 21 2.57pm
When he's on form Wilf is great BUT its actually pointless him winning free kicks when we only waste them anyway. I hope the new staff have some set piece expertise. Wilf stop looking to go down when 'fouled' outside the penalty area and refs might start believing you when you go down in the box. Also if Wilf can't get past fullbacks anymore then stick him up next to Benteke and sign a proper wing back who can help Mitchell but still get forward to swing in crosses ( something Wilf rarely does).

waterfordpal

23 Aug 21 2.57pm

When he's on form Wilf is great BUT its actually pointless him winning free kicks when we only waste them anyway. I hope the new staff have some set piece expertise.
Wilf stop looking to go down when 'fouled' outside the penalty area and refs might start believing you when you go down in the box.
Also if Wilf can't get past fullbacks anymore then stick him up next to Benteke and sign a proper wing back who can help Mitchell but still get forward to swing in crosses ( something Wilf rarely does).

bright&wright 23 Aug 21 9.22pm
Originally posted by ripleyeagle I agree,I was at the game and thought Joel had a good game yesterday.Isn’t it funny that over the last eight seasons whatever manager has come in have shown faith in Wardy and I know they no more about football than the idiots on here that keep calling him a league one defender. He's been awful the last 2 seasons, he copes in 1 game and suddenly I'm an idiot? I'd laugh if he wasn't my clubs player. He's well out of his league. Carry him almost every game. Next you'll tell me Luka played well last year. 'We are going to make a little bit of history here’ Mr. J. Ertl.

bright&wright

23 Aug 21 9.22pm

Originally posted by ripleyeagle

He's been awful the last 2 seasons, he copes in 1 game and suddenly I'm an idiot? I'd laugh if he wasn't my clubs player. He's well out of his league. Carry him almost every game. Next you'll tell me Luka played well last year.

'We are going to make a little bit of history here’ Mr. J. Ertl.

Page 10 of 10 << First < 6 7 8 9 10

Crystal Palace FC Supporters' Website - The Holmesdale Online

Palace v Brentford Match Thread

Site Map