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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 27 Jan 22 2.20pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
interfering with an opponent by:
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or
clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

or

gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent
been deliberately saved by any opponent

A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent.

A ‘save’ is when a player stops, or attempts to stop, a ball which is going into or very close to the goal with any part of the body except the hands/arms (unless the goalkeeper within the penalty area).

In situations where:

a player moving from, or standing in, an offside position is in the way of an opponent and interferes with the movement of the opponent towards the ball this is an offside offence if it impacts on the ability of the opponent to play or challenge for the ball; if the player moves into the way of an opponent and impedes the opponent's progress (e.g blocks the opponent) the offence should be penalised under Law 12
a player in an offside position is moving towards the ball with the intention of playing the ball and is fouled before playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the foul is penalised as it has occurred before the offside offence.

Edited by Willo (27 Jan 2022 2.17pm)

This proves it was offside, thanks! He impacted Mitchell’s ability to play the ball by jumping in front of him

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jan 22 2.27pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

This proves it was offside, thanks! He impacted Mitchell’s ability to play the ball by jumping in front of him

I can only re-iterate that this incident will be the subject of review in the rigorous post-match analysis of the performance of the officials.

 

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View Phil’s Barber's Profile Phil’s Barber Flag Crowborough 27 Jan 22 3.05pm Send a Private Message to Phil’s Barber Add Phil’s Barber as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

This proves it was offside, thanks! He impacted Mitchell’s ability to play the ball by jumping in front of him

Exactly, something we and every other supporter, pundit or analyst has agreed on since it happened. Why Willo has to be so antagonistic about it is beyond me.

Edited by Phil’s Barber (27 Jan 2022 3.06pm)

 

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 27 Jan 22 3.41pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Clearly this would have been examined as part of the normal post-match forensic analysis of the officials performance.

Quote :

"Each Premier League match is evaluated by a former senior referee who scrutinises every decision using the match footage and event data to measure the officials’ technical performance. Former players and managers (Match Delegates) assess the accuracy and consistency of decision-making and their management of the match"

Well we had better hope who ever that senior former ref is , has a better grasp of a basic rule than either the line assistant, Friend, or Pawson. As this match contained at least two more possible match altering contentious decisions, and any number of lesser poor decisions being made.
More to the point is what now. I suspect nothing. And that’s the trouble. Friend, and Pawson, will not suffer .


Edited by Willo (27 Jan 2022 1.34pm)

 

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View Slimey Toad's Profile Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 27 Jan 22 4.56pm Send a Private Message to Slimey Toad Add Slimey Toad as a friend

Originally posted by Phil’s Barber

Exactly, something we and every other supporter, pundit or analyst has agreed on since it happened. Why Willo has to be so antagonistic about it is beyond me.

Edited by Phil’s Barber (27 Jan 2022 3.06pm)

We all take Willo's bait (I am now). He is like Comical Ali during the war to get rid of Sadaam, constantly telling reporters that Iraq were winning, even when US troops could be seen in the background.

Comical Willo

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jan 22 4.59pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

We all take Willo's bait (I am now). He is like Comical Ali during the war to get rid of Sadaam, constantly telling reporters that Iraq were winning, even when US troops could be seen in the background.

Comical Willo

It might appear that I am 'Casting lines' but I can assure one and all this is not the case.

Guffawed at "Comical Willo"

Edited by Willo (27 Jan 2022 4.59pm)

 

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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 27 Jan 22 5.09pm Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

Wouldn't it be nice if there was a whistle-blower somewhere in the ranks that get to see that post match analysis report & it was leaked.

Originally posted by Putitout

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 27 Jan 22 5.25pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

Wouldn't it be nice if there was a whistle-blower somewhere in the ranks that get to see that post match analysis report & it was leaked.

Yep

 

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View roman eagle's Profile roman eagle Flag South London 27 Jan 22 6.00pm Send a Private Message to roman eagle Add roman eagle as a friend

Further to my previous post, here is a the relevant question and answer from the IFAB website regarding Liverpool’s second goal. The FAQs give guidance on a variety of scenarios regarding the offside law - the one below describes the exact situation which occurred on Sunday. I repeat that it is shocking that top referees do not actually know the laws of the game and how they should be interpreted.

An attacker (Team A) in an offside position and a defender (Team B) jump for a header and compete for the ball. Neither of them touches the ball which goes to another Team A player who is in an onside position and scores. What is the correct decision?

The referee awards an indirect free kick to Team B. It is an offside offence because the attacker clearly attempted to play the ball which was close and this action impacted on the opponent.

(The International Football Association Board -IFAB - is the law-making body of football)

 


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View Phil’s Barber's Profile Phil’s Barber Flag Crowborough 27 Jan 22 6.28pm Send a Private Message to Phil’s Barber Add Phil’s Barber as a friend

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

We all take Willo's bait (I am now). He is like Comical Ali during the war to get rid of Sadaam, constantly telling reporters that Iraq were winning, even when US troops could be seen in the background.

Comical Willo

Whilst I am reluctant to say it, the place was far calmer and had a much more relaxed atmosphere during the self imposed hiatus. Less argumentative, less antagonistic, less pretentious waffle and just all in all a better place to be, which in turn lead to more sensible discussions, without derailment and without one persons self importance taking over. I knew it wouldn’t last and sure enough it hasn’t

 

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Originally posted by Phil’s Barber

Whilst I am reluctant to say it, the place was far calmer and had a much more relaxed atmosphere during the self imposed hiatus. Less argumentative, less antagonistic, less pretentious waffle and just all in all a better place to be, which in turn lead to more sensible discussions, without derailment and without one persons self importance taking over. I knew it wouldn’t last and sure enough it hasn’t

Yes, agreed. Deliberate contentious posts that don't stand up to scrutiny just to get that little bit of attention.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jan 22 6.47pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Phil’s Barber

Whilst I am reluctant to say it, the place was far calmer and had a much more relaxed atmosphere during the self imposed hiatus. Less argumentative, less antagonistic, less pretentious waffle and just all in all a better place to be, which in turn lead to more sensible discussions, without derailment and without one persons self importance taking over. I knew it wouldn’t last and sure enough it hasn’t

I am tempted to respond to the specific risible accusations, however I have no desire to de-rail this thread.

In the interests of HOL the debate should centre around the matter under discussion and not veer into the realms of personal attacks.
Any further comments from me in this discussion will be concentrated on the subject matter, accordingly any further vilification shall go unanswered.

 

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