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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 12 Apr 22 5.49pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No he didn't. He shot them in the back as they were running away. That's not self-defence. He was found guilty, so that's what the law says. That he claimed self-defence, and you agree, doesn't make it so.

Perhaps they were running to get weapons or to bring reinforcements!
Perhaps they only wanted to sell Martin some lucky heather or clothes pegs?
They broke into someone's home, not for the first time, and sufferred the consequences. If he had not been armed, Martin would possibly have been beaten to death.
It would not be a bad thing if a few more burglars got their comeuppance.

Edited by georgenorman (12 Apr 2022 6.55pm)

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 12 Apr 22 6.43pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Fez?

No thanks, I saw what one did to Tommy Cooper.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 12 Apr 22 6.51pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We clearly don't agree. Nor do most others here.

I find it amazing, and appalling, that anyone can try to defend an illegal act, whatever their personal belief that it ought not be illegal might be.

The whole basis of democracy is that we are free to behave as we wish, so long as we stay within the law.

Not doing so, in any circumstances, is the thin end of a very dangerous wedge and ought, in my opinion, be something that every responsible citizen resists with the utmost determination.

Martin was shown understanding and clemency, but he was
guilty and, being unlawful, was also wrong. The one follows the other. By all means, argue for a change in the law. Good luck with that. Until then, argue that everyone abides by it.

The other day, you were making a case for historical slavers and those that benefitted from it being retrospectively vilified for what was a legal trade.
That doesn't really fit with the rigidity of your assertion regarding shooting burglars and nicking homosexuals.

Surely, a man should be allowed to shoot someone who has invaded his home in the back, front or where ever.
He has lost no matter what. The scum who did it would probably hound him forever and maybe kill him no matter what he did.

What would you do?

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 Apr 22 6.59pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

I've still very scant knowledge of Le Pen, but had no idea she had shot a few burglars, murdering one, all whilst masquerading as a Cambridgeshire farmer!

I've heard it all now!

Also actually, for what it's worth, I would like to know what the correct order of ceremony is once burglars enter your home in terms of establishing barometers of violence etc and how these are lawfully agreed.

I only think it fair all parties understand what is and is not fair game and I have no idea why home invaders should be so maligned as to not think you could hold a reasonable conversation with them

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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BlueJay Flag UK 12 Apr 22 7.04pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I've still very scant knowledge of Le Pen, but had no idea she had shot a few burglars, murdering one, all whilst masquerading as a Cambridgeshire farmer!

She's a shape shifter, but if you look closely you can tell it's the same person.

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 Apr 22 7.25pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

She's a shape shifter, but if you look closely you can tell it's the same person.

I don't have to in fact BlueJay, my specs won't be ready until Friday (I need very nerdy lenses so have to wait longer) so I still have a warm, comforting, fuzzy view of the world for now and I can therefore see the similarities without being distracted by finer detail!

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 12 Apr 22 7.27pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I don't have to in fact BlueJay, my specs won't be ready until Friday (I need very nerdy lenses so have to wait longer) so I still have a warm, comforting, fuzzy view of the world for now and I can therefore see the similarities without being distracted by finer detail!

You need a pair of specs from the Sci-fi Classic 'They Live'! to really see what's going on.

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 Apr 22 7.38pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

You need a pair of specs from the Sci-fi Classic 'They Live'! to really see what's going on.

I have been getting most my information from the prophetic 'D'.

I was looking for Q however given my aforementioned situation I've now delved down the unintended rabbit hole and feel it's too late to back out now.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Apr 22 7.44pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Perhaps they were running to get weapons or to bring reinforcements!
Perhaps they only wanted to sell Martin some lucky heather or clothes pegs?
They broke into someone's home, not for the first time, and sufferred the consequences. If he had not been armed, Martin would possibly have been beaten to death.
It would not be a bad thing if a few more burglars got their comeuppance.

Edited by georgenorman (12 Apr 2022 6.55pm)

I don't wish to be rude, but you are being ridiculous. The law requires that any response be proportionate. You might think what he did was, but the jury, and the appeal judges did not.

If he had been physically threatened then, perhaps, a claim of self-defence would have succeeded. Shooting them in the back whilst they were running down the stairs to get away didn't.

What your opinion of that might be is an irrelevance. It's a fact.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Apr 22 7.44pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Removed as duplicated.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (12 Apr 2022 7.45pm)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Apr 22 7.57pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I've still very scant knowledge of Le Pen, but had no idea she had shot a few burglars, murdering one, all whilst masquerading as a Cambridgeshire farmer!

I've heard it all now!

Also actually, for what it's worth, I would like to know what the correct order of ceremony is once burglars enter your home in terms of establishing barometers of violence etc and how these are lawfully agreed.

I only think it fair all parties understand what is and is not fair game and I have no idea why home invaders should be so maligned as to not think you could hold a reasonable conversation with them

It started yesterday after I compared an event that Macron commented on, which has been picked up by the right in similar fashion to here, to what Tony Martin was convicted for.

The barometer is clear. Any response needs to be proportionate to the perceived threat. People under pressure may not act rationally, and that is a legitimate defence. In Martin's case he obviously failed to convince the jury, whilst the appeal judges decided he did not intend to kill he still acted illegally.

I realise how nasty it was for him, but the alternative of him "getting away with it" were potentially nastier. If we ever accepted what he did as a legitimate defence of property, the floodgates could open.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 12 Apr 22 8.07pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I have been getting most my information from the prophetic 'D'.

I was looking for Q however given my aforementioned situation I've now delved down the unintended rabbit hole and feel it's too late to back out now.

I've kept a distance from Q Anon on account that it's clearly all in hand. The veil will soon lift. D, while close to the flame clearly does have knowledge of both Hillary's secret baby blood infusions as well as low, low highstreet prices. Some say the same about prophet VC.

 

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