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joe_cpfc Flag Basingstoke 05 Jan 24 11.34am

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

Respect the point…

We go again, unfortunately.

 

Den1923 Flag 05 Jan 24 11.42am

I agree with most on here that last nights game from A palace fan viewpoint was a big disappointment. I do not understand why we set-up like this for a cup game, maybe Roy forgot it was a FA Cup tie and thought he was going to get a point for the draw. Why did we not set up with more attacking intent, we should have had both Mateta and Edouard starting and benched Schlupp. Poor Franca, what a game in which to get your first start, the physical side of Everton was hard for him and whilst he did show one or two moments of potential, he was out of the game for long periods which demonstrated how difficult it is moving up to this level from a league where he is used to flair and skill as opposed to the skill and physicality of the EPL. The passing last night was very poor especially out of defence and in mid field, I lost count of how many times we gave the ball away. We are so painfully slow in getting forward and in to the last third, sadly we really pose no real threat to opposition defences whatsoever. The balance of the players and team is all wrong and needs sorting fast. Mr Parish get spending otherwise you may regret it!

 

silvertop Flag Portishead 05 Jan 24 11.43am

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I think I picked up that Eze and Hughes don't pass to each other. If that's because they don't like each other, I don't know. Doesn't seem ideal.

Hughes is a fantastic midfield enforcer with a very defensive mindset which is why he is always selected. However, he can't pass to save his life which is why he is normally on the bench.

Note, when Anderson gets the ball, our players spray off in all directions leaving defences to work out which effective pass he is going to make. When Hughes gets the ball, another player has to come close so Hughes can make the simple pass to them and let them do the passing. In attacking terms, he is a passenger and this is why players like Eze don't pass to him.

 

eritheagle Flag Erith 05 Jan 24 11.46am

Originally posted by silvertop

Hughes is a fantastic midfield enforcer with a very defensive mindset which is why he is always selected. However, he can't pass to save his life which is why he is normally on the bench.

Note, when Anderson gets the ball, our players spray off in all directions leaving defences to work out which effective pass he is going to make. When Hughes gets the ball, another player has to come close so Hughes can make the simple pass to them and let them do the passing. In attacking terms, he is a passenger and this is why players like Eze don't pass to him.

We obviously view Hughes differently to his previous clubs, Derby and Watford, where he was seen as a playmaker with good passing ability.

 

Jacey Flag 05 Jan 24 11.48am

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

Respect the point…

Pointless!!

 

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 05 Jan 24 11.51am

Originally posted by fish mitten

I've always admired Roy and what he has achieved for this club, but that was an incredibly turgid game to watch. Scarcely able to string 4 to 5 passes together and so predictable. However, I look at the bench and there is no one I fancied coming on who would change it.

Is some of the fault Roy's. Yes. I still more with SP and the board though. Last 3 windows have not addressed major squad gaps and have just made the situation worse. We have bought players like Franca, Ahamada, Ebiowei and Plange on the grounds that they are young, have potential and we can sell them on for profit. The reality is we also need players for now, and we haven't bought them. Franca looks like he has raw ability, but I have no confidence whether the rest will ever make it as Premier League footballers.

Can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. And overall our squad is a sow's ear. A sprinkling of 6-7 good players doesn't make a good squad, especially when you factor in injuries.

Whilst I think it’s fine to acknowledge there are glaring holes in our squad, I think Roy’s rigidity is what leads us to not rate so many of our squad players - they look crap under Roy because he has no idea how to get anything out of them if they don’t slot perfectly into his low block.

Players can look completely different under different managers and systems, and my view is many of our squad players are good enough to contribute, but we don’t allow any room for them to do so.

When I compare our squad to teams like Everton and Bournemouth there’s just no way we should be as inferior as we are.


 

ambrose7 Flag Croydon 05 Jan 24 11.59am

Originally posted by eritheagle

We obviously view Hughes differently to his previous clubs, Derby and Watford, where he was seen as a playmaker with good passing ability.

Predominantly in the Championship unfortunately. I know he had a couple of seasons where he played a lot in the PL for Watford but they were hardly a roaring success.

I don't even think he's that great defensively, probably for the same reason as his passing not being great - he seems about half a yard behind the game. The number of times he goes flying in to a tackle and the other player nips it away before Hughes crashes into him is getting silly.

When he does a big booming tackle it's highlight reel stuff that sits in the memory, but the number of times he jumps in, gets beaten and the other team are at our back 4 leaves a lot to be desired.

 


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Croydon-Trucker Flag 05 Jan 24 12.02pm

Originally posted by Willo

I very much expect I did sit through a plethora of turgid games and perhaps I have been inflicted with "Good old days" syndrome.

I recall the days in the lower divisions when I got soaked to the skin whilst on the Holmesdale Terrace and witnessing games at an empty Selhurst Park.All in the dim and distant past and I was not so ripe in years.As for the present I do not expect dazzling displays of excitement each and every game but our abject home form and displays this and previous seasons has tried my patience.

Game on game we witness bland performances, some could be described as dire, and in all honesty my time could be better spent just following proceedings from the warmth of my abode and not having to endure a 4 hour round-trip.
Maybe if I take leave of my senses and travel up to Selhurst Park I will ensure I do not leave home without a white handkerchief and might be winded to wave it in the hair in total disgust as they do in Spain.

What is your opinion of the sending off Willow my good man , please give me your take on it and i will kindly give you mine.

 

dreamwaverider Flag London 05 Jan 24 12.15pm

Its all pretty dire on Homesdale.net.
Understandable really when you see what is happening...... or not.
The only positive I have read from last night was our shirts, and even they have run out!!

 

Den1923 Flag 05 Jan 24 12.25pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Whilst I think it’s fine to acknowledge there are glaring holes in our squad, I think Roy’s rigidity is what leads us to not rate so many of our squad players - they look crap under Roy because he has no idea how to get anything out of them if they don’t slot perfectly into his low block.

Players can look completely different under different managers and systems, and my view is many of our squad players are good enough to contribute, but we don’t allow any room for them to do so.

When I compare our squad to teams like Everton and Bournemouth there’s just no way we should be as inferior as we are.

Sadly as many have already said we have 6/7 quality EPL players who would make any EPL squad but as for the rest, they are championship or lower at best, then there are a bunch of youngsters who warm the bench but can't make any real contribution, they should be out on loan getting game time and improving their match skills rather than bench sitting just because Parish & his fellow Directors do not want to spend any money putting together a EPL standard quality squad of players and as a result our good players are overworked and as a consequence prone to injury!

 

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 05 Jan 24 12.31pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Hughes is a fantastic midfield enforcer with a very defensive mindset which is why he is always selected. However, he can't pass to save his life which is why he is normally on the bench.

Note, when Anderson gets the ball, our players spray off in all directions leaving defences to work out which effective pass he is going to make. When Hughes gets the ball, another player has to come close so Hughes can make the simple pass to them and let them do the passing. In attacking terms, he is a passenger and this is why players like Eze don't pass to him.

Whilst I agree his main strengths are out of possession, the numbers don't particularly support the notion that he can't pass;

He has a pass completion rate of 84% this season, which is actually a career best. Across his entire career he's averaged 79% pass completion.

For context; Lerma has an 81% pass completion rate this season, and a career average of 80%

Schlupp has 75% this season and a 73% average.

Doucoure has 87% this season and an 85% career average.


There is a more notable difference between how progressive those passes are though - Hughes, on average, progresses the ball about 142 yards per 90 with his passing. Lerma and Doucoure both sit at about 180 yards. Schlupp is at 57 yards per 90.

All of that suggests that Hughes is competent in keeping the ball but can struggle to break lines with forward passes, which I think is accurate.

 

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 05 Jan 24 12.38pm

Originally posted by Den1923

Sadly as many have already said we have 6/7 quality EPL players who would make any EPL squad but as for the rest, they are championship or lower at best, then there are a bunch of youngsters who warm the bench but can't make any real contribution, they should be out on loan getting game time and improving their match skills rather than bench sitting just because Parish & his fellow Directors do not want to spend any money putting together a EPL standard quality squad of players and as a result our good players are overworked and as a consequence prone to injury!

Suggesting we only have 6 or 7 Prem quality players is hyperbolic.

Everton's bench yesterday was: Pickford, Patterson, Keane, Gomes Betuncal, Andre Gomes, Godfrey, Ramalho, Hunt, Dobbin.

Bournemouth's bench when they humped us was: Mepham, Brooks, Rothwell, Ouattara, Tavernier, Moore, Kilkenny, Billing, Travers

The same night our bench was: Tomkins, Franca, Mateta, Clyne, Hughes, Ebiowei, Ahamada, Riedewald, Matthews

The gulf in quality between those benches and ours is really not that drastic.

 

palace99 Flag New Mills 05 Jan 24 12.44pm

Originally posted by ambrose7

Predominantly in the Championship unfortunately. I know he had a couple of seasons where he played a lot in the PL for Watford but they were hardly a roaring success.

I don't even think he's that great defensively, probably for the same reason as his passing not being great - he seems about half a yard behind the game. The number of times he goes flying in to a tackle and the other player nips it away before Hughes crashes into him is getting silly.

When he does a big booming tackle it's highlight reel stuff that sits in the memory, but the number of times he jumps in, gets beaten and the other team are at our back 4 leaves a lot to be desired.

Agree, he was never the fastest but is even slower now so the game just passes him by. His tackling is pretty shocking too and even yesterday he was lucky not to be booked (when he fouled Beto)

 

silvercobra73 Flag Christchurch 05 Jan 24 12.45pm

Worst possible result!! Replay and then Arsenal a few days later. Just pray no one gets injured.
I want Palace to be an ambitious club but to be honest I have no interest in the cup given our current dire league situation.
Do we really want a crack at Europe? On our current performances we wouldn't last 5 minutes. And the thought of some of those maniac violent mobs coming to Selhurst doesn't bear thinking about.
Sorry if that sounds negative.

 

palace99 Flag New Mills 05 Jan 24 12.50pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Whilst I agree his main strengths are out of possession, the numbers don't particularly support the notion that he can't pass;

He has a pass completion rate of 84% this season, which is actually a career best. Across his entire career he's averaged 79% pass completion.

For context; Lerma has an 81% pass completion rate this season, and a career average of 80%

Schlupp has 75% this season and a 73% average.

Doucoure has 87% this season and an 85% career average.


There is a more notable difference between how progressive those passes are though - Hughes, on average, progresses the ball about 142 yards per 90 with his passing. Lerma and Doucoure both sit at about 180 yards. Schlupp is at 57 yards per 90.

All of that suggests that Hughes is competent in keeping the ball but can struggle to break lines with forward passes, which I think is accurate.

Passing stats should not be viewed in isolation as most CBs have a high accuracy % as they usually just pass to each other or the keeper and rarely try a creative pass.

Most of our midfield have little or no creativity so rarely try the killer pass or even a diagonal one to the opposite winger.
When Hughes was asked to play at the head of the 3 CMs when Eze was injured his limitations were there for all to see. Too slow to join the attacks and not good enough on the ball to contribute creatively

 

palace99 Flag New Mills 05 Jan 24 12.54pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Agree 100% - a few hours of my life that I will not get back.
We support our club through thick and thin but this dreadful game between two poor teams was a test of support. .
We looked out of it after 30 mins but at least started to show some intent after that.
Our midfield is toothless, Clyne (love him) cannot pass wind, Eze has moments of genius but is generally poor and not much good to a struggling team.
Our defence on the whole is excellent as is Henderson - he is better than Pickford at least.
Mateta looks to be getting better and is a handful and Franca needs a run of games because he will be excellent.
Please let us get at least a good midfield General in over the next few weeks.

Eze is a worry at the moment. When he has the ball i just want to see him running at his man, yet just often slows things down and makes a simple pass. He is the only one in that midfield who can do anything creative so i'd rather see him try and fail than not try. He still did good things yesterday but it was too infrequent for my liking.

As for his booking it was correct and completely unacceptable. What was he thinking. He needs to be careful as he is getting a reputation for going down too easily.

 

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 05 Jan 24 12.55pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

BBC say Monday 15 January.


If they have really said that, then they are wrong because Everton have a PL home game against Villa on Sunday 14th. It's more likely a case of a night in the week beginning Monday 15th. Bear in mind we have the 12.30 slot on 20th at the Emirates. I suspect Wednesday 17th will be the most likely date.

 

palace chick Flag South Croydon 05 Jan 24 1.01pm

Originally posted by silvercobra73

Worst possible result!! Replay and then Arsenal a few days later. Just pray no one gets injured.
I want Palace to be an ambitious club but to be honest I have no interest in the cup given our current dire league situation.
Do we really want a crack at Europe? On our current performances we wouldn't last 5 minutes. And the thought of some of those maniac violent mobs coming to Selhurst doesn't bear thinking about.
Sorry if that sounds negative.

It’s very negative. One day we will be back in the lower divisions with nothing to show for our premiership stay. History is important for us older fans and I / we want cup success and Euro football to talk about before our game of bingo in the home ;-)

 

Davepalace707 Flag Northumberland 05 Jan 24 1.02pm

Originally posted by silvercobra73

Worst possible result!! Replay and then Arsenal a few days later. Just pray no one gets injured.
I want Palace to be an ambitious club but to be honest I have no interest in the cup given our current dire league situation.
Do we really want a crack at Europe? On our current performances we wouldn't last 5 minutes. And the thought of some of those maniac violent mobs coming to Selhurst doesn't bear thinking about.
Sorry if that sounds negative.

To paraphrase Jay-Z, we’ve got 99 problems but being remotely close to getting into Europe ain’t one

 

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 05 Jan 24 1.04pm

Originally posted by palace99

Passing stats should not be viewed in isolation as most CBs have a high accuracy % as they usually just pass to each other or the keeper and rarely try a creative pass.

Most of our midfield have little or no creativity so rarely try the killer pass or even a diagonal one to the opposite winger.
When Hughes was asked to play at the head of the 3 CMs when Eze was injured his limitations were there for all to see. Too slow to join the attacks and not good enough on the ball to contribute creatively

I mean that's precisely why I haven't used them in isolation nor compared him with any centre backs.

I'd imagine you'd see most players limitations when playing them out of position.

 

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